skiboo wrote:First, congratulations to Felix for a convincing victory.
Other thoughts: What a disappointing winning time, 0.21 slower than she ran in Eugene, despite running the 100 (in London) 0.18 faster than she did at the US Olympic trials. Felix is certainly fast, but stacked up against the stars of the past, she is horridly inconsistent.
First of all, don't pay attention to times clocked in Eugene...they have as much credibility as times clocked in Rieti. So, 21.6x was never really on the cards, despite what you might read on this thread. I thought Felix ran well to win in 21.88, and that's a winning time in London.
Secondly, she's new to the 100m, and not as good at it as she is the 200m, so her times are going to be inconsistent in the 100m, and not comparable to the 200m.
jamal00005 wrote:I just heard lance mention something along the lines about VCB thinking of retirement and i was a bit shocked because VCB should now be looking forward to Moscow to retaining her 200m world tittle
I doubt that, VCB will bounce back at worlds.She said once she stop winning medals she will retire. She won a bronze in the 100 and is still world champion.I am sure she will go back to the drawing board and work on whatever needs fixing. Again congrats to Allsyon
I doubt it too....
VCB can still earn decent money on the Diamond League circuit, and as long as she can do so, we'll see her running. That said, we may just have seen the best years of VCB's career....
guru wrote:Well one thing's for sure - it's a good thing Felix skipped the 400. That very well may have made the difference in holding back SAFP in the 200
One thing's also for sure: Good thing Felix tried that double last year. She's never run faster. That endurance gain may very well have made the difference in this break-through year.
It seems to me that SAFP is a much more complete sprinter than she used to be. I think that the SAFP of prior years would not have hung on as well as she did in the 100, and hence her win (I remember her having a (much?) bigger early margin last time) despite a more narrow start margin.
She clearly has got something different because no only did she not start fading at 120, she really was not fading to anyone except possibly Felix at 185m. People might remember that I have been critical to some Jamaican posters about her but she has shown more the second half of this season than I expected, which is why I thought she was the 100 fav and a threat in the 200.
As for questioning Felix with 'only' a 21.88 (vis a vis Eugene's 21.69), not wind was not quite as good, the weather likewise, and she hard more rest there. In addition, look at what VCB and Jeter ran in the Final compared to the semi with only the top two looking better.
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EPelle wrote:Felix's sixth sub-22,00, equals her 3rd-fastest career 200m (Stockholm, 2009). First season in Felix's storied career that she has twice broken 22,00 in the same season.
I haven't gone through all the post to see if anyone has corrected your posting but where you get six sub-22 clocking last time I check it was five once 2007: her then PB 21.81 In Osaka once 2008: 21.93 behind VCB 21.74 in Beijing Once 2009: 21.88 in Stockholm Twice 2012: Her astonishing 21.69 @ the US Trials & her second best of 21.88 for the Olympic gold!
She ran 21.82 at the US Olympic trials in 2008, though I'm not completely sure if it was legal...
It was five. Thank you. I made a mistake. Appreciate the correction.
skiboo wrote:First, congratulations to Felix for a convincing victory.
Other thoughts: What a disappointing winning time, 0.21 slower than she ran in Eugene, despite running the 100 (in London) 0.18 faster than she did at the US Olympic trials. Felix is certainly fast, but stacked up against the stars of the past, she is horridly inconsistent.
Horridly inconsistent. Interesting viewpoint.
I'd like to understand how one becomes horridly inconsistent (despite running their second-fastest global championships time) from your perspective. Can you please help me understand what criteria you use to judge Felix against her predecessors? I'd like to understand why I object to this sentiment.
If you compare Felix to those past stars who ran sub-22 at the USAOT (the common denominator) then went on to both win and run sub-22 at the Olympics, you'll discover, remarkably enough, that Felix is on par or ahead.
Or, to simplify things, compare Felix to previous OT winners. See if she's was faster or slower in London than the previous USA Olympic Trials winners.
The only real, valid data to work with is comparing Felix to Felix in 2008. It's the only venue where the OT's were contested at the same venue. There, Felix ran with an assisted wind. And, she didn't win the OG. Felix in 2012 slowed against the OT, but won the OG. Every athlete (save one) in the London final behind Felix ran slower than their best times.
I'm not seeing the horrid inconsistency. Perhaps my vision is weakening.
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This one was an easy one to pick. Glad Felix won. She has easily been the best 200m runner this season and anything less than Gold would have been disappointing. Thought VCB would have challenged through the line but she really hasn't had a good season. Shelly is in fine form and if she works on this event she could become as dominant as Felix is.
Well well well, VCB fans are up in arms about Kerron running anchor.Jeter is going to blaze pass Kerro, what is Jamaica thinking? kerron didn't even make it to the 100 finals.Why would you replace the best anchor that Jamaica has for a lame Kerron? Jeter is going to blow Kerron away and open up the gap more on Kerron.VCB is a fighter and always close the gap whenever she is running anchor.Don't feed me that busllshit about vcb is the best turn runner. You need someone who can hang in there with Jeter on anchor, Kerron is not in form to run anybody down or even keep up with the other ladies. I hope Jamaica come to their senses and put back the queen on anchor. All of vcb fans are cussing. Put back vcb on anchor or else JAMAICA will be running for bronze
This is what a fan on facebook have to say about the matter
Gregg I agree so much with you. Why put Kerron on anchor. Kerron is not up to any scratch right now at all!! Yes Jeter will kill her on the field. Gregg everything surrounding our athletes, our camp is very fishy right now to me. It is putting me in a frame of mind if big money a run to keep down our athletes. Look at the kind of decisions being made by the JAAA management team. I don't want to sound like my brain gone off but I would a swear there is a sell-out somewhere, I could be wrong but I just can't shake the feeling.. Chat Conversation End
The J'can Camp for this Olympics I must is made up of some coaches whose brains are apparently saw dust. How can you give Veronica third leg and making Kerron run against Jeter? Do you guys really want the Gold or just settling for Silver AGAIN? Remember Kerron was the cause we had a baton change prob in '08 and now we want her to anchor us to Bronze. This Olympics I will just not understand.
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running4life wrote:This is what a fan on facebook have to say about the matter
Gregg I agree so much with you. Why put Kerron on anchor. Kerron is not up to any scratch right now at all!! Yes Jeter will kill her on the field. Gregg everything surrounding our athletes, our camp is very fishy right now to me. It is putting me in a frame of mind if big money a run to keep down our athletes. Look at the kind of decisions being made by the JAAA management team. I don't want to sound like my brain gone off but I would a swear there is a sell-out somewhere, I could be wrong but I just can't shake the feeling.. Chat Conversation End
If Kerron is lefthanded and Veronica is righthanded, this would allow for better exchanges which is what 4x100's are all about.
running4life wrote:This is what a fan on facebook have to say about the matter
Gregg I agree so much with you. Why put Kerron on anchor. Kerron is not up to any scratch right now at all!! Yes Jeter will kill her on the field. Gregg everything surrounding our athletes, our camp is very fishy right now to me. It is putting me in a frame of mind if big money a run to keep down our athletes. Look at the kind of decisions being made by the JAAA management team. I don't want to sound like my brain gone off but I would a swear there is a sell-out somewhere, I could be wrong but I just can't shake the feeling.. Chat Conversation End
If Kerron is lefthanded and Veronica is righthanded, this would allow for better exchanges which is what 4x100's are all about.
But do you really believe that Kerron can run with Jeter?
running4life wrote:This is what a fan on facebook have to say about the matter
Gregg I agree so much with you. Why put Kerron on anchor. Kerron is not up to any scratch right now at all!! Yes Jeter will kill her on the field. Gregg everything surrounding our athletes, our camp is very fishy right now to me. It is putting me in a frame of mind if big money a run to keep down our athletes. Look at the kind of decisions being made by the JAAA management team. I don't want to sound like my brain gone off but I would a swear there is a sell-out somewhere, I could be wrong but I just can't shake the feeling.. Chat Conversation End
If Kerron is lefthanded and Veronica is righthanded, this would allow for better exchanges which is what 4x100's are all about.
But do you really believe that Kerron can run with Jeter?
It makes no difference on a relay, because speed is fungible. Leroy Dixon got smoked by Asafa Powell in Osaka in 2007, but Powell so far behind when he got the stick that it didn't matter. Baton exchanges, on the other hand, are not fungible. For example, putting Usain Bolt on second leg would cost Jamaica at least 0.3s because he's terrible with his left hand.
jamal00005 wrote:@ running for life - are Jamaicans on facebook seriously going mad because Kerron is on anchor ?
Yes they are.They feel like Kerron is not fit enough to anchor and they think it's a slap in vcb face who has been anchoring since 04 and I do agree. I can't wait for Jeter to blaze pass Kerron liek a ghost and thi will teach them to leave the queen where is she best suited.I would not have ran if I was vcb.If this was teh Kerron of 08 and 09 I would be fine with it but this lame ass Kerron who can't make any finals is nuts.Jeter is going to have her for lunch
jamal00005 wrote:@ running for life - are Jamaicans on facebook seriously going mad because Kerron is on anchor ?
Yes they are.They feel like Kerron is not fit enough to anchor and they think it's a slap in vcb face who has been anchoring since 04 and I do agree. I can't wait for Jeter to blaze pass Kerron liek a ghost and thi will teach them to leave the queen where is she best suited.I would not have ran if I was vcb.If this was teh Kerron of 08 and 09 I would be fine with it but this lame ass Kerron who can't make any finals is nuts.Jeter is going to have her for lunch
If she's not fit enough to anchor, she's not fit enough to be on the team. Who are Jamaica's fastest four women, that is the question.
jamal00005 wrote:@ running for life - are Jamaicans on facebook seriously going mad because Kerron is on anchor ?
Yes they are.They feel like Kerron is not fit enough to anchor and they think it's a slap in vcb face who has been anchoring since 04 and I do agree. I can't wait for Jeter to blaze pass Kerron liek a ghost and thi will teach them to leave the queen where is she best suited.I would not have ran if I was vcb.If this was teh Kerron of 08 and 09 I would be fine with it but this lame ass Kerron who can't make any finals is nuts.Jeter is going to have her for lunch
If she's not fit enough to anchor, she's not fit enough to be on the team. Who are Jamaica's fastest four women, that is the question.
Kerron would be better on the third leg, the problem is vcb will run her heart out and close the gap on the usa, vcb is a beat on anchor and Kerron is not. The usa must be laughing at us this is an easy win for the usa. Even if Kerron has a lead Jeter is going to piss on her and win the gold.If you give vcb a lead aint nobody is going to run her down. I will be right here tomorrow saying I told you so. With Madsion, Felix and Jetere running why the hell would Jamaica place kerron on anchor? Don't give me that she is left handed bs. You don't see Jeter running but anchor.Congrats to the usa they are really smart.
jamal00005 wrote:@ running for life - are Jamaicans on facebook seriously going mad because Kerron is on anchor ?
Yes they are.They feel like Kerron is not fit enough to anchor and they think it's a slap in vcb face who has been anchoring since 04 and I do agree. I can't wait for Jeter to blaze pass Kerron liek a ghost and thi will teach them to leave the queen where is she best suited.I would not have ran if I was vcb.If this was teh Kerron of 08 and 09 I would be fine with it but this lame ass Kerron who can't make any finals is nuts.Jeter is going to have her for lunch
If she's not fit enough to anchor, she's not fit enough to be on the team. Who are Jamaica's fastest four women, that is the question.
Kerron would be better on the third leg, the problem is vcb will run her heart out and close the gap on the usa, vcb is a beat on anchor and Kerron is not. The usa must be laughing at us this is an easy win for the usa. Even if Kerron has a lead Jeter is going to piss on her and win the gold.If you give vcb a lead aint nobody is going to run her down. I will be right here tomorrow saying I told you so. With Madsion, Felix and Jetere running why the hell would Jamaica place kerron on anchor? Don't give me that she is left handed bs. You don't see Jeter running but anchor.Congrats to the usa they are really smart.
Kerron CAN NOT run the curve.... There is a reason she didn't make the 200 team... The only excellent turn runners we have on the team are SAFP and VCB.... Kerron has no start or curve running ability at this point so the straight is the only option. Between Simpson and Stewart, Simpson is the better stick handler of the two and you can expect an effortless hand off between SAFP and Simpson. Simpson should be able to hand off to VCB marginally behind Felix probably and then VCB should be able to blitz the curve to give us the lead. Stewart is much more fresh than Jeter and Stewart does have some semblance of her top end speed (more so than her start).
SAFP - SS - VCB - KS is the best line up.... BaR NoNe!
running4life wrote:Kerron would be better on the third leg, the problem is vcb will run her heart out and close the gap on the usa, vcb is a beat on anchor and Kerron is not. The usa must be laughing at us this is an easy win for the usa. Even if Kerron has a lead Jeter is going to piss on her and win the gold.If you give vcb a lead aint nobody is going to run her down. I will be right here tomorrow saying I told you so. With Madsion, Felix and Jetere running why the hell would Jamaica place kerron on anchor? Don't give me that she is left handed bs. You don't see Jeter running but anchor.Congrats to the usa they are really smart.
Assuming that VCB is that much stronger than Kerron, Kerron should get the baton with a much bigger lead than VCB would get if she anchors. Then when you consider the fact that Kerron is left-handed, it makes no sense to have her handling the baton with her right hand. I would have thought that Jamaican fans would have learned their lesson about the importance of baton exchnges after Bolt's 2007 debacle. Those who forget their history are condemned to repeat it.
running4life wrote:Kerron would be better on the third leg, the problem is vcb will run her heart out and close the gap on the usa, vcb is a beat on anchor and Kerron is not. The usa must be laughing at us this is an easy win for the usa. Even if Kerron has a lead Jeter is going to piss on her and win the gold.If you give vcb a lead aint nobody is going to run her down. I will be right here tomorrow saying I told you so. With Madsion, Felix and Jetere running why the hell would Jamaica place kerron on anchor? Don't give me that she is left handed bs. You don't see Jeter running but anchor.Congrats to the usa they are really smart.
Assuming that VCB is that much stronger than Kerron, Kerron should get the baton with a much bigger lead than VCB would get if she anchors. Then when you consider the fact that Kerron is left-handed, it makes no sense to have her handling the baton with her right hand. I would have thought that Jamaican fans would have learned their lesson about the importance of baton exchnges after Bolt's 2007 debacle. Those who forget their history are condemned to repeat it.
t_monk wrote:So where you going to put Stewart? kmt.... This is the best line up we have....
SAFP - Simpson - VCB - KS
why do you keep saying that when Kerron is not strong enough to anchor? She sucked in 09 at anchor and not that she is not inform it's going to be even worst.VCB is teh best achor on the Jamaican tean while Kerron is just ok.kerron will not be closing any gap or running down anybody.This line up is a damn blow out.Please explain this line up to me because its seems as tho I am a little. Why do you feel that Kerron is a better anchor than VCB? Can someone please explain this line up to me because I am driving myself crazy. If someone can give me one good reason as to why Kerron is a better anchor than vcb then I will leave it alone. VCB medaled in the 100 and Kerron didn't even make it to the finals.Jeter is faster than vcb yes but vcb has the speed to fight with Jeter where as Kerron will be left in Jeter's dust.The fact or the matter is that Kerron should be on third leg until she is fit enough to comepete withthe big dogs.Jeter is going to have her for supper and the Americans are laughing at us.I wouldn't blame VCB if she chose to run for another counrty.This is a slap in her face.
The US will probably field Tarmoh/Knight to Allyson to Madison to Jeter.
I think Jamaica should field Simpson to Kerron to Fraser to Veronica. Fraser should blaze the curve and put us in the lead and when Veronica gets that baton ahead, no one will be catching her.
tracknut2012 wrote:The US will probably field Tarmoh/Knight to Allyson to Madison to Jeter.
I think Jamaica should field Simpson to Kerron to Fraser to Veronica. Fraser should blaze the curve and put us in the lead and when Veronica gets that baton ahead, no one will be catching her.
Running4life, it seems like you have problems accepting the idea that speed in fungible on relays, and that good exchannges are more important than having your fastest person on anchor.
t_monk wrote:So where you going to put Stewart? kmt.... This is the best line up we have....
SAFP - Simpson - VCB - KS
why do you keep saying that when Kerron is not strong enough to anchor? She sucked in 09 at anchor and not that she is not inform it's going to be even worst.VCB is teh best achor on the Jamaican tean while Kerron is just ok.kerron will not be closing any gap or running down anybody.This line up is a damn blow out.Please explain this line up to me because its seems as tho I am a little. Why do you feel that Kerron is a better anchor than VCB? Can someone please explain this line up to me because I am driving myself crazy. If someone can give me one good reason as to why Kerron is a better anchor than vcb then I will leave it alone. VCB medaled in the 100 and Kerron didn't even make it to the finals.Jeter is faster than vcb yes but vcb has the speed to fight with Jeter where as Kerron will be left in Jeter's dust.The fact or the matter is that Kerron should be on third leg until she is fit enough to comepete withthe big dogs.Jeter is going to have her for supper and the Americans are laughing at us.I wouldn't blame VCB if she chose to run for another counrty.This is a slap in her face.
You are being to dramatic . I think that they practice and they know well within their selves what they can do .
tracknut2012 wrote:The US will probably field Tarmoh/Knight to Allyson to Madison to Jeter.
I think Jamaica should field Simpson to Kerron to Fraser to Veronica. Fraser should blaze the curve and put us in the lead and when Veronica gets that baton ahead, no one will be catching her.
If we use this line up by the time they get to anchor the only place jamaican will be running for is the Silver medal
jazzcyclist wrote:Running4life, it seems like you have problems accepting the idea that speed in fungible on relays, and that good exchannges are more important than having your fastest person on anchor.
Lmao Jeter could drop the baton and still fly pass Kerron.I am done with this.Will be here bright and early to say I TOLD YOU YOU
jazzcyclist wrote:Running4life, it seems like you have problems accepting the idea that speed in fungible on relays, and that good exchannges are more important than having your fastest person on anchor.
Lmao Jeter could drop the baton and still fly pass Kerron.I am done with this.Will be here bright and early to say I TOLD YOU YOU
That was funny LOLOLOL but come on man we dont wanna knock on something till we try it .we try in the finals and if it works then great if it doesn't then so be it
Just sayin... if somebody opened up this topic looking for a discussion of the women's 200m, they might just give up after wading through pages and pages of nationalistic chest puffing and seemingly endless "expert" opines about the relays -- each of which, btw, have their own forum topic where no doubt many of these same comments will be repeated by the same characters. This thread is a mess.
