On the BBC broadcast, Justin Gatlin's two doping suspensions (only one of which was legitimate) was mentioned no less than five times, but Christine Ohuruogu's missed drug tests, for which she was let off easily were not mentioned once.
How is it that one of them was applauded for being courageous, but the other was ostracized?
Oh yeah, Yohan Blake's positive test wasn't mentioned either.
MightyBurner wrote:On the BBC broadcast, Justin Gatlin's two doping suspensions (only one of which was legitimate) was mentioned no less than five times, but Christine Ohuruogu's missed drug tests, for which she was let off easily were not mentioned once.
How is it that one of them was applauded for being courageous, but the other was ostracized?
Oh yeah, Yohan Blake's positive test wasn't mentioned either.
Can you honestly compare a missed test versus a positive steriod drug test result?
Well, according to the governing bodies a certain number of missed tests equals a positive, and rightly so. Why get tested if you are afraid you will fail? Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Along the same vein, I'll say this - I was appalled at the slam job NBC did on Jeter and coach John Smith last night before the 100 final. And I'm no chronologist, but I'm not sure "Jeter's era is sandwiched between Marion Jones and Florence Griffith-Joyner"
MightyBurner wrote:Especially when the only person in that race who has ever tested positive for anything won the gold medal.
I see you are throwing your words. Why don't you explain yourself. I tested positive for a pain killer she took for a toothache certainly not steroids like some "other athletes".
tracknut2012 wrote:I understand. However a missed test in my book does not compare to a positive steriod test.
If you drive through a red light and there is no camera, did you really drive through the red light?
The rules state its an offence to miss a test. Your scaling the importance down is irrelevant.
She missed multiple tests. That's indisputable. They make the rules this way for a reason. People escape compliance by missing the tests.
When she took her tests she wasn't so flash. I hope she's clean, but would not be surprised if she wasn't. She has an embarrassed look on her face whenever she goes well.
They let her off the spot and hammered D Chambers. If she was a he, she'd be gone already.
MightyBurner wrote:A painkiller enhances performance. If you can train and compete without pain, that's an advantage on the field.
A steriod enhances performance 100 fold and thus, Gatlin was banned for 4 years and the person who you were referring to only 3 months.
Again not the same.
Point remains - NBC - an American network - ran a slam piece on Carmelita Jeter - who has NEVER tested positive for anything - and her coach that stopped just short of calling her a cheat, while at the same time running a feel-good puff piece on Fraser-Pryce, and how she overcame her modest beginnings and dangerous environs, without mentioning her positive.
guru wrote:Along the same vein, I'll say this - I was appalled at the slam job NBC did on Jeter and coach John Smith last night before the 100 final. And I'm no chronologist, but I'm not sure "Jeter's era is sandwiched between Marion Jones and Florence Griffith-Joyner"
I've got to agree. That profile really raised my eyebrows, too.
I'm not going to intimate anything, but there is a person who is prominent in NBC's broadcasts who has had serious issues in the recent past with John Smith.
NBC appears to have been swept in by the Mark Block hysteria to hit over the last couple of months. Too bad. Not like they have ever missed doing questionable things in the past.
MightyBurner wrote:I'm not going to intimate anything, but there is a person who is prominent in NBC's broadcasts who has had serious issues in the recent past with John Smith.
He wasn't the one who did the piece on NBC. It was Tom Hammond.
MightyBurner wrote:A painkiller enhances performance. If you can train and compete without pain, that's an advantage on the field.
A steriod enhances performance 100 fold and thus, Gatlin was banned for 4 years and the person who you were referring to only 3 months.
Again not the same.
Point remains - NBC - an American network - ran a slam piece on Carmelita Jeter - who has NEVER tested positive for anything - and her coach that stopped just short of calling her a cheat, while at the same time running a feel-good puff piece on Fraser-Pryce, and how she overcame her modest beginnings and dangerous environs, without mentioning her positive.
Again, you seem to be missing the point. You can't compare a positive test for a pain killer to hardcore steriod use. I can't fathom why you can't understand this. It is apples and oranges.
MightyBurner wrote:I'm not going to intimate anything, but there is a person who is prominent in NBC's broadcasts who has had serious issues in the recent past with John Smith.
He wasn't the one who did the piece on NBC. It was Tom Hammond.
Hammond narrated, I seriously doubt it was his work product.
Point remains - NBC - an American network - ran a slam piece on Carmelita Jeter - who has NEVER tested positive for anything - and her coach that stopped just short of calling her a cheat, while at the same time running a feel-good puff piece on Fraser-Pryce, and how she overcame her modest beginnings and dangerous environs, without mentioning her positive.
Again, you seem to be missing the point. You can't compare a positive test for a pain killer to hardcore steriod use. I can't fathom why you can't understand this. It is apples and oranges.
When did Jeter test positive for a "hardcore steroid"?
Point remains - NBC - an American network - ran a slam piece on Carmelita Jeter - who has NEVER tested positive for anything - and her coach that stopped just short of calling her a cheat, while at the same time running a feel-good puff piece on Fraser-Pryce, and how she overcame her modest beginnings and dangerous environs, without mentioning her positive.
Again, you seem to be missing the point. You can't compare a positive test for a pain killer to hardcore steriod use. I can't fathom why you can't understand this. It is apples and oranges.
When did Jeter test positive for a "hardcore steroid"?
The Tom Hammond piece on Carmelita Jeter was the absolute worst I've ever seen. IAAF and USATF should be lobbying NBC to have him removed from the air immediately, but I just don't see Max Siegel or Lamine Diack recognizing that they have the power to do it. If I were Lamine Diack I would pull his accreditation and DARE NBC not to show the rest of the OIympics and dare the rest of the IOC not to back him on the decision (Diack is an IOC member...). The NFL or PGA would have NEVER stood for it. Disgraceful! Social media has EVERY athlete as dirty and you take the USA's best chance at a medal and say don't root for her? This would have never happened to a Maggie Vessey or a Shalane Flanagan or a Paula Radcliffe or a Blanca Vlasic!
preston wrote:The Tom Hammond piece on Carmelita Jeter was the absolute worst I've ever seen. IAAF and USATF should be lobbying NBC to have him removed from the air immediately, but I just don't see Max Siegel or Lamine Diack recognizing that they have the power to do it. If I were Lamine Diack I would pull his accreditation and DARE NBC not to show the rest of the OIympics and dare the rest of the IOC not to back him on the decision (Diack is an IOC member...). The NFL or PGA would have NEVER stood for it. Disgraceful! Social media has EVERY athlete as dirty and you take the USA's best chance at a medal and say don't root for her? This would have never happened to a Maggie Vessey or a Shalane Flanagan or a Paula Radcliffe or a Blanca Vlasic!
Hammond has to go!
Why do I believe that if it was a piece about regarding a foreign athlete, we would not have this uproar.
I personally don't have a problem with his piece. I honestly believe it was okay.
That NBC in general and Tom Hammond in particular - are ... are ... are, far short of minimal in the reporting of T&F and therefore damaging to the sport. This has been consistently voiced since the invention of the microphone. There have been few to contradict that.
Thinking that NBC will change that seems, in the very least, improbable. I can't imagine they (NBC) are unaware of the sentiment among the T&F masses. This was a constant subject on the old t&f list where one of the NBC broadcast members posted until he left in a flurry of fury. Methinks NBC knows no other approach than the current lineup provides.
It was a hit piece on Jeter, but Smith's athletes have the history that allows NBC to get out the knives so that enables it.
Hammond just did the voiceover. He needed to go several years ago, but it won't be over voiceovers. At least they've added Tim Hutchings who flat out embarrassed Masback on air in a nuanced fashion during the marathon. Hopefully Hammond retires and Hutchings steps in. I love Dwight and Ato but Hammond's lack of knowledge has always been a thorn in the track diehard's side. With the live feeds now available we can get the Brits anyway, NBC is thankfully irrelevant going forward. Men's 100 final was shown at 11:20 pm last night. What a joke.
NBC doesn't care a whit about the track diehards, and thanks to the British alternatives, vice versa.
This is NOT about track diehards; this is about a piece that's damaging to the sport and Max and Lamine need to take the type of action that lets every journalist/TV man etc worldwide know that they're not taking it lying down. A piece like that on Gatlin would have been fair game but on athlete who has never tested positive...that's way past decent. (of course, it will lead to journalists "defending their own" and writing more hit pieces, but they love the food and the boondoggles too much; they need the access). Again, they would have never suggested that Paula Radcliffe's 2:15 was the result of seeing "healing hans". Never.
tracknut2012 wrote:Why do I believe that if it was a piece about regarding a foreign athlete, we would not have this uproar.
I personally don't have a problem with his piece. I honestly believe it was okay.
preston wrote:This is NOT about track diehards; this is about a piece that's damaging to the sport and Max and Lamine need to take the type of action that lets every journalist/TV man etc worldwide know that they're not taking it lying down. A piece like that on Gatlin would have been fair game but on athlete who has never tested positive...that's way past decent. (of course, it will lead to journalists "defending their own" and writing more hit pieces, but they love the food and the boondoggles too much; they need the access). Again, they would have never suggested that Paula Radcliffe's 2:15 was the result of seeing "healing hans". Never.
tracknut2012 wrote:Why do I believe that if it was a piece about regarding a foreign athlete, we would not have this uproar.
I personally don't have a problem with his piece. I honestly believe it was okay.
tracknut2012 wrote: I personally don't have a problem with his piece. I honestly believe it was okay.
Me neither man. I saw it and didn't have a second thought on it. Nothing jumped out to me as unfair when I saw it. To the contrary, I thought the tone was rather sympathetic to Carmelita.
tracknut2012 wrote: I personally don't have a problem with his piece. I honestly believe it was okay.
Me neither man. I saw it and didn't have a second thought on it. Nothing jumped out to me as unfair when I saw it. To the contrary, I thought the tone was rather sympathetic to Carmelita.
odelltrclan wrote:NBC appears to have been swept in by the Mark Block hysteria to hit over the last couple of months. Too bad. Not like they have ever missed doing questionable things in the past.
I was surprised the piece didn't mention Block at all. I'm right about that, aren't I? Block's name wasn't even mentioned in it, right? And I saw that the other night as evidence that the piece went a little easy on her.
Listen you guys. I'm a fan of Carmeltita and pretty much every other American sprinter. (A HUGE fan of Gatlin! But I accept that he was most likely dirty.) I was depressed Saturday night when she didn't win. So I'm not saying what I'm saying out of any kind of hatred of Carmelita. But if you're dirty, you're dirty. And let's face it, USA Track and Field has had a big performance enhacing drugs problem.
To me it's like baseball players during the Sosa, Canseco, McGwire era not being questioned about performance enhancers when their home run totals rapidly improve. I think these questions for American sprinters and pieces like NBC did the other night are fair game.
sprintzfan wrote:I was surprised the piece didn't mention Block at all. I'm right about that, aren't I? Block's name wasn't even mentioned in it, right? And I saw that the other night as evidence that the piece went a little easy on her.
Listen you guys. I'm a fan of Carmeltita and pretty much every other American sprinter. (A HUGE fan of Gatlin! But I accept that he was most likely dirty.) I was depressed Saturday night when she didn't win. So I'm not saying what I'm saying out of any kind of hatred of Carmelita. But if you're dirty, you're dirty. And let's face it, USA Track and Field has had a big performance enhacing drugs problem.
To me it's like baseball players during the Sosa, Canseco, McGwire era not being questioned about performance enhancers when their home run totals rapidly improve. I think these questions for American sprinters and pieces like NBC did the other night are fair game.
I didn't see the piece. But what other reasons would they bring it up? The brothers Johnson from Letsrun have been waging a personal vendetta against Carmelita Jeter and Jason Richardson for months now because of Mark Block. I can't see any other reason NBC would go this route other than from what has been going on from Block.
