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¶2012 OG: m5000–Mo Farah 13:41.66 wins 5/10 double

Postby dj » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:07 pm

T&FN formchart advancers to final

1. Mo Farah (Great Britain)
2. Dejen Gebremeskel (Ethiopia)
3. Bernard Lagat (USA)
4. Hagos Gebrhiwet (Ethiopia)
5. Isiah Koech (Kenya)
6. Yenew Alamirew (Ethiopia)
7. Thomas Longosiwa (Kenya)

8. Edwin Soi (Kenya)
9. Galen Rupp (USA)
10. Moses Kipsiro (Uganda)
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby EPelle » Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:27 am

Olympic Record: 12.57,82, Kenenisa Bekele, ETH, Beijing 2008

2008 Results: G-Kenenisa Bekele, ETH, 12.57,82OR; S-Eliud Kipchoge, KEN, 13.02,80; B-Edwin Soi, KEN, 13.06,22
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby lovetorun » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:28 pm

Would like to see Farah do well...but it's his race to lose and I have a feeling the Ethiopian's are going to spoil his gold chances. And Rupp may surpize...he'sin the form of his life right now. Don't expect him to medal but he'll be in the fight and finish in top 6-7.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby Dave » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:37 pm

Rupp has to be considered a more serious contender here.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby Randy Treadway » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:45 pm

So what's the opinion on Lagat's chances?

If, in order to avoid a repeat of the 10K results and Mo & Rupp's big kick, the East Africans take it out hard from the gun and push the pace, where does that leave Lagat?
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby croflash » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:10 pm

Randy Treadway wrote:So what's the opinion on Lagat's chances?

If, in order to avoid a repeat of the 10K results and Mo & Rupp's big kick, the East Africans take it out hard from the gun and push the pace, where does that leave Lagat?


I don't think Gebremeskel and Gebrhiwet are afraid of Farah, Lagat, Rupp or anyone else. They have run sub 12:50 this season and still had a crazy kick at the end, I see those two as the favorites regardless of the pace and tactics. The field is stronger in this event compared to the 5000.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby gibson » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:44 pm

you gotta go with mo again.

this time in the final however it will really be every man for himself.
moe helped rupp for sure to that silver while assisting his own chances too.
in the 5k however look for rupp to not give mo one or two steps this time at the bell.
this time it will be really who is the best man, now rupp has the benefit of understanding the reality of his predicament and condition. it's real man. the 11.03 100m is real.
and it'll really kill em all.

that big fast race in 12:4x where nearly everyone drafted off a fast pace is kind of screwing up peoples analysis. when you get such a cordial perfect draft pace in nearly perfect conditions, the 62 second lap is easy as a 63-64 alone.

since rupps and moe's workouts are harder than the 10k final they just ran, it figures that they will be super ready for the 5k. that 10k they just ran might be even considered good training on its own! only the super fit could venture to say that...

look for the ethopians to be more respectful of al-sal group. times are a changing.

with all that said, this race is much harder to pick, with so many legitimate contenders.

ok moe has to be favorite = gold
again rupp for silver
ethopia gets the bronze again.
and in kenya, heads roll.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby Dave » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:37 pm

After the 10k and 1500, this is going to be an amazing race. One can only imagine the pressure on the Kenyan and Ethiopian teams.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:42 pm

Randy Treadway wrote:So what's the opinion on Lagat's chances?
If, in order to avoid a repeat of the 10K results and Mo & Rupp's big kick, the East Africans take it out hard from the gun and push the pace, where does that leave Lagat?


Sucking wind.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby EPelle » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:43 am

Farah & Lomong in heat one (along with a host of others, natually)
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby EPelle » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:01 am

Heat 1 leaders: 2.49,96 - 4.30,5e - 5.35,87 - 8.19,44 - 8.51,2e - 10.58,82 - 13.25,24 (2.58 last 1200m/2.26,42/54 last lap)

Farah: 3rd, 13.26,00-Q; Lomong: 4th, 13.26,16-Q

Heat 2 leaders: 2.06,5e (Mottram) - 2.38,57 - 4.15,5e - 5.19,87 (Rupp) - 8.07,93 (Mottram) - 10.49.03 (Kipsiro followed by Rupp) - 12.49,0e - 13.14,15 (54,29/1.55e/2.26,12).

Mottram took on the initial pacing, gave up the pace to Rupp. Pace slowed somewhat. Mottram re-captured the lead near 3km. Kipsiro pushed the pace with four to go. Gebremeskel takes it. Four across for 2nd-6th, including Lagat. Rupp 6th.

Lagat: 13.15,45Q; Rupp: 13.17,56Q

e = estimated as athletes crossed line without clock stopping
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby LopenUupunut » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:25 am

Soi out in heats!
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby croflash » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:26 am

I'm not sure we learned anything during those two heats we didn't already know.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby LopenUupunut » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:02 am

croflash wrote:I'm not sure we learned anything during those two heats we didn't already know.
That Iguider isn't completely tired after three rounds of 1500?
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby Barto » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:16 am

13:24 doesn't advance. Fastest Q ever?
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby gh » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:03 am

The first 8 in the second heat ran faster than the previous fastest heat in Oly history.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby TimRoy » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:34 am

It's for facts like those that we come to this message board. Thank you.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby Alan Shank » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:24 am

Remarkably good running in the heats! Not sure about Rupp, although he must have known he was going to be OK despite missing the Q; he didn't seem concerned. In his heat, last K was 2:26.2, 54.3; 1st head, about the same off a slower pace. Ibrahimov only five seconds off his PB. Collis Birmingham very disappointing, also Lebid, a cross-country specialist.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby Coach Rod » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:55 am

Why was Lagat wearing the wrong year uniform? Was this the 2008 Beijing kit?
http://www.iaaf.org/news/photo/index.html#67057
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby Master Po » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:30 am

Coach Rod wrote:Why was Lagat wearing the wrong year uniform? Was this the 2008 Beijing kit?
http://www.iaaf.org/news/photo/index.html#67057


Well, you know, Lagat's getting on in years -- beyond a certain age, someone should always check what you're wearing before you go out of the house. :wink: :)
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–

Postby bobguild76 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:08 pm

LopenUupunut wrote:Soi out in heats!


If someone had told me a week ago that the USA would have more runners in the 5k final than Kenya ... that we would have two across the finish in the men's 1500 before any Kenyan ... and that Rupp would go silver (I thought/hoped he would get bronze) in the 10k, but the top Kenyan would be 5th ... I would have said Sure! What'ya smokin?

Kenya still has the deepest talent base of any nation, but my, oh my, this has been a nightmare Olympics for them. The crazy thing is they went out of their way to (1) have the 10k trials at sea level in a climate similar to London, and (2) emphasize the importance of the Team camp & team spirit.

They still have some bright spots;

- Gold & Bronze in the 3000St,
- Silver in the wMar, although no other nation can call a 2-4-20 a disappointment,
- Rudisha looking powerful,
- Still a powerful looking mMar team, and
- don't forget Julius Yego in the men's javelin!

But there will be some head scratching and blame thrown around in AK circles after the Games. It will be interesting to see how the Kenyans do on the DL circuit after the Games. Will they revert to form and kick butt? Maybe they over thought everything in London, and need to get back to the Sammy Wanjiru approach of pedal to the metal from the gun.

In any case, this should be a smokin' final. I agree, I don't think G&G are afraid of anyone. Big question, as always, will be; Who sets the pace? Will the Kenyans just go for it? The Ethiopians? I don't think we'll see Rupp in the lead, even if by accident. He has a 3:34 under his belt and, along with the confidence from the 10k, believes he can kick with the Africans.

If it is slow to medium, Lagat will be there. If it is screaming and/or killer surges, it will be interesting to see if he (Lagat) still has it at age 37. And don't forget Lomong ... if it is slower than 13:00 pace, I think he will be in the mix. Iguider also.

Predictions?
Farah the favorite, with G&G, Lagat & Rupp, Koech right behind, in just about any order.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby aaronk » Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:06 pm

Don't neglect Lopez Lomong in the final!
His 3:32.20 is faster than Rupp and even faster than Farah and the more recent version of Lagat.
And he did run that 53 second lap at Stanford, even though it was the "wrong" lap!! :)
If he's ON, and if the race goes sub-13:00, look for Lomong to be right in there.
Maybe 12:55??
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby Dave » Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:10 pm

Is there any reason why this race wouldn't go sub13:00? The 1500 and10000 are over so no one is saving anything. Of course some runners may be exhausted from one or the other race.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby odelltrclan » Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:17 pm

The Ethiopians have been quoted as saying they made a mistake by letting the 10k be too slow so I expect them to make sure there is an honest pace. Expect a barnburner. I would be surprised if this race does not end up sub 13. Team tactics to play out probably with someone sacrificing themselves for their teammate(s).
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:34 pm

Dave wrote:Is there any reason why this race wouldn't go sub13:00? The 1500 and10000 are over so no one is saving anything. Of course some runners may be exhausted from one or the other race.


Well that has been true for eternity and still the Oly 5ks can be a jog in the park for most of the race.

The Kenyans have nothing to lose at this point, so maybe they will do something. A repeat of 1984! There was a race.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby Alan Shank » Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:52 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
The Kenyans have nothing to lose at this point, so maybe they will do something. A repeat of 1984! There was a race.


Huh? Kenyans 5th and 6th. Either Markus Ryffel or Antonio Leitao (CRS) made a move w/1200 left, IIRC. No dice; Aouita won easily. 13:05.89.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby Master Po » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:13 pm

aaronk wrote:Don't neglect Lopez Lomong in the final!
His 3:32.20 is faster than Rupp and even faster than Farah and the more recent version of Lagat.
And he did run that 53 second lap at Stanford, even though it was the "wrong" lap!! :)
If he's ON, and if the race goes sub-13:00, look for Lomong to be right in there.
Maybe 12:55??


Agree w aaronk about Lomong as a "person of interest." :) There are many of these in this final, including all the formchart names, Levins and Lomong. Along with his 1500m credentials, he has run 1:46 and 7:44 (WIC) this year. Also, that 5k at Stanford was -- in a very weird way -- maybe the most impressive 13:11 I've ever seen. I really think he could be a factor -- but I also think that about almost everyone, as I scan the list of finalists.

I have no idea how this race is going to go, but there are so many athletes of interest in it, and so many possibilities -- I hope it is a great one. I will be surprised if it goes under 13:00, but I've already been surprised by a bunch of things at this OG, so who knows?
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby kuha » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:51 pm

Alan Shank wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:
The Kenyans have nothing to lose at this point, so maybe they will do something. A repeat of 1984! There was a race.


Huh? Kenyans 5th and 6th. Either Markus Ryffel or Antonio Leitao (CRS) made a move w/1200 left, IIRC. No dice; Aouita won easily. 13:05.89.


The point here is that that race had a relentless pace pretty much from the gun--completely weeded out the kickers long before the gun lap was in sight.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby TN1965 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:46 pm

Gebrhiwet is apparently injured. I don't think he will be a medal contender. Will he sacrifice himself for Gebremeskel?

Farah and Rupp admit they are tired from 10K, so they will prefer a slow pace. So does Lagat even though he is fresh.

Given how the team tactics did not work for either Kenya or Ethiopia in 10K, I'd predict the winning time over 13:00 with the gold medal decided between Farah and Lagat.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:15 pm

Conor Dary wrote:Well that has been true for eternity and still the Oly 5ks can be a jog in the park for most of the race.
The Kenyans have nothing to lose at this point, so maybe they will do something. A repeat of 1984! There was a race.


I loved that 1984 5k. The distance guys burned off the milers (Walker, Flynn, Coughlan?).
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby lionelp1 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:07 am

After the crazy results in the men's 1500m anything might happen.
Also I share a sneaky feeling about Lomomg in anything but a fast race; far more likely for a slowish pace and a mad final 4 laps; depends on the moment of the day and who of half a dozen guys feels the strongest, certainly not to do with the best.
Lagat, Rupp, Mo, Gebremeskel , my choice in the prediction contest I'm in.
As for the Kenyans who must be feeling sick, maybe somebody from their guys will do the opposite of a slow lead and do a maddy.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby DrJay » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:38 am

TN1965 wrote:Farah and Rupp admit they are tired from 10K, so they will prefer a slow pace.


Was that from a TV interview or online? Salazar had talked like they were feeling real chipper, better than before the 10K.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby gibson » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:08 am

realize that moe and rupp did not have the mental frame of mind to blast the last 200m, but to preserve and sprint only out of necessity.

you should not change your picks based on the heats.

heat 1 and heat 2 had the same times for km2-3-4-5 and last 400m.

moe was most probably instructed to come from behind on the #3 or 4 guy in the last 100m.
and rupp the same thing except to be aware at the time at the bell and if he saw coming into the final straight 13.00 ish on the clock, to just coast in in #6-8 place.

for the guys that count in the final, most ran the same type of effort.

this one is tough to pick as it is real tough to gauge the athletes sharpness.

the picks, moe, rupp, lagat, #1 ethiopian.

kenya nothing.
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby kevinsdad » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:01 am

Bruce Kritzler wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:I loved that 1984 5k. The distance guys burned off the milers (Walker, Flynn, Coughlan?).


Aouita was a distance guy??
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Re: 2012 OG: m5000–Gebremeskel leads Q to final at 13:15.15

Postby DrJay » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:25 am

DrJay wrote:
TN1965 wrote:Farah and Rupp admit they are tired from 10K, so they will prefer a slow pace.


Was that from a TV interview or online? Salazar had talked like they were feeling real chipper, better than before the 10K.


Ahh, front page article. (I bet his wife hopes that underwear they referenced was fleece-lined!)
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