IAAF wrote:6. Non-Qualified Athletes
a. NOCs for which no male or no female athlete has reached the required qualification standard will be allowed to enter their best male athlete and their best female athlete in one athletic event each, with the exception of the Combined Events, 10,000m and 3000m Steeplechase.
b. This applies equally to unqualified female entries from an NOC with qualified males, and vice versa.
c. Acceptance of unqualified entries in Field Events will be at the discretion of the IAAF Technical Delegates, based on the technical standard of the athlete and the numbers of qualified athletes in the respective event.
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Do these countries have National Championships?
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I am absolutely jealous of the World Champion/Olympic athletes and I'm sure that most of the posters to this site would also say that. However, some of these posters may have actually been Olympians...I think it's safe to say that you haven't been.
 Also, have you ever been to an IAAF Congress? Watched how the votes take place? Wonder why they can't get the voting right? Wonder why so many delegations don't even vote because they're out shopping? Watched delegations be MORE interested in getting their free IAAF Adidas/Mizuno bag/suitcase than actually administering the sport? I'm guessing that Tuariki knows of this, but you don't so you should probably not make bets like that. You probably shouldn't even comment...Being an Olympian isn't something you should be able to buy! That's exactly what SHOULDN'T be able to happen. It is something that should have to be earned. In a world where precious little is. And, if a country is not winnowing its youth to find the best then that country is in violation of the Olympic spirit, not people like me who expect a country's best to be representative of that country. (Tuariki made an excellent point about WHO these "Olympians" are and its a lot of nepotism) Everything I said is within the perview of the IAAF, they just haven't acted for whatever reason - politics, organization mismanagement/maintenance, more important things... Your comments towards me, show that your knowledge of the facts don't measure up to your interest in me. Why the obsession? I DON'T POST TO BE YOUR FRIEND. So feel free to take advantage of this forums "ignore" feature; I really wish you would use it if you're not going to contribute something positive or enlightening. Because you still have not addressed the issue of National Championships which SHOWS that a country is developing sport. From the Olympic Charter: Chapter 1: The Olympic Movement and its Action Article 2: The mission of the IOC is to promote Olympism...This includes upholding ... participation in sports, ... and encouraging and supporting the development of sport. Article 6: The Olympic Games are competitions between athletes in individual or team events and not between countries. Chapter 3: The International Federations (IFs) ...role of International Federations (IFs) ... IFs are international non-governmental organizations that administer to sports at the world level and encompass organizations administering such sports at the national level... These IFs work to ensure their sports are developed in a way that agrees with the Olympic Charter and the Olympic spirit. ...
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Interesting, I was not aware of this statement in their charter. It makes NBC's obsession with the overall medal table even more silly.
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Don't think the 1500 scenario is feasible. Willis wouldn't bother running down Kiprop in a heat, and it couldn't happen in a final.
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This is true. But an non-qualified athlete could affect the outcome of a heat, as it happened in 5000m last year's WC. Several runners had to go around a lapped runner in the final curve, and that probably affected the standings of a few runners. So I think 5000m should be added to the "exception" along with 10000m and 3000mSC. But I don't know where it should stop.In this year's World Indoor, a woman was lapped in a 800m  heat.
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Tell that to Peter Snell and Billy Mills. I am also sure no one would have given Chad Le Clos any chance of "running" down Phelps.
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The impossible part isn't Willis running Kiprop down in the final, but a non-qualified athlete somehow making that final despite being bad enough to get lapped therein 
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To answer the original question about whether these countries have national championships, yes it seems many of them do. Not sure about the Marshall Islands specifically, but here are a selection of results from the Kiribati Nat Champs of 1999, fromTony Isaacs' Pacific Statistics book.
Kiribati National Champs, Bairiki, 20 Jan 99 M100: 1 Eneree Tataio 11.9, 2 Tokamen Tawita 12.0, 3 Tetabo Iakoba 12.0 M200: 1 Tetabo Iakoba 25.7, 2 Tokamen Tawita 26.4, 3 Tototo Teaoti 27.1 W100: 1 Miito Tooma 15.2, 2 Eera Kaiota 15.3, 3 Teretia Aruetiti 15.4 W800: 1 Kaitinano Mwemweata 3:04.2, 2 Taibo Baua 3:13.8, 3 Kemee Tiaeki 3:29.8
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In most circumstances you would be absolutely correct. However, I am afraid this time you are wrong. You are wrong because it is my fantasy story. And you are wrong because I forgot to mention the "Steven Bradbury" element of 2002 Salt Lake City. And that story for those who don't know it, courtesy of wikipedia is: In his semi-final race, Bradbury was in last place, well off the pace of the medal favourites. However, three of the other competitors in the semi-final—defending champion Kim Dong-Sung of South Korea, multiple Olympic medallist Li Jiajun of China and Mathieu Turcotte of Canada—crashed, paving the way for the Australian to take second place and thus allowing him through to the final. Bradbury was again well off the pace in the final, and all four of Bradbury's competitors (Ohno, Ahn Hyun-Soo, Li and Turcotte) crashed out at the final corner while jostling for the gold medal. This allowed the Australian, who was around 15 m behind with only 50 m to go, to avoid the pile-up and take the victory. Bradbury raised his arms aloft in complete disbelief and amazement at the unlikely circumstances of his victory. A shocked Bradbury became the first person from any southern hemisphere country to win a Winter Olympic event. After a period of delay, the judges upheld the result and did not order a re-race, confirming Bradbury's victory. And so in my fantasy our invited sole competitor from the intolerant little country of PVP-land managed to make his way to the final through a series of Steven Bradbury like fortuitous events. Promoted out of his heat because most his heat's competitors arrived at the stadium on a bus driven by Eddie Hart - and arrived at the wrong time and too late. Got through the semis because two of Mahiedine Benabbad's cousins were in his semi heat and during the race they took offense with several of the other athletes resulting in a Frazier-Ali showdown and the inevitable disqualification of the 6 athletes caught up in the fighting. And just like the tortoise in the race against the hare my intrepid useless 1500m runner from PVP-land managed to make it to the final and cause well intentioned havoc 60m from the finish line.
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First off no one should be mad at Nauru or marshall Islands. The IOC and IAAF are the ones who invite these countries to send participants in order to inflate participation numbers i.e number of countries that participate.
The second reason they do it is to encourage participation in sports. If you happen to live in Kiribati and no one from your Island ever goes to the Olympics, why would you even try ? What the IOC and IAAF are doing is to get more people involved in sports by making them realize it is indeed possible for someone from this small island to go to the games. Thirdly, their very participation is inspirational. That Afghan girl who ran in a hijab and finished 20 yards behind everyone else likely inspired other young Afghan girls to consider getting into sports and other endeavors that they usually do not. Again the IOC is using such athletes to promote sports in areas which usually do not participate. And the times they are running are decent when you consider their small populations. 11.61 in the 100m is very difficult to run. In my high school for example, the fastest runner had a PB of 11.50. And he was amongst the fastest in the entire county which had a population of about 60,000. Given the tiny population in these islands, it is laughable for anyone to think you can just walk around and get some adults to run in around 11 seconds. Heck some people run the 100m in college in the US and they havent gone sub 11 much less sub 10. Yet on most of these islands, it is highly likely that there are no coaches with a clue, And most do not even have running shoes And finally living in the west gives people a skewed idea of how "easy" it is to organize a track meet. You really think these nations are unwilling to organize a track meet or evangelize the sport ? Try visiting the place or even doing some research about what life really is like on these islands. Some dont even have a running track. And you can forget about field events because the equipment is non-existent.
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This would have been a really exciting race to watch if someone hadn't spoiled the results hours before they showed it in the US. 
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Yes, we should be mad at the small countries, the IOC and the IAAF. Participants for participants sake does nothing to adhere to either of the creeds of the IOC or the IAAF or the NOC's. these countries are NOT encouraging sport; they're just using global games for a free trip for the federation heads and family and friends. IOC could give a damn about more people in sport; the IOC has been hell bent on the world kissing their ass to have the games and to do that they have to push this notion that this is the largest peaceful global event. The IOC is a political body and that is why they pushed so hard for observer status at the UN. Do you not remember how Johann Olav Koss (ironically an IOC member, or used to be) embarrassed the IOC into taking up the cause of disadvantaged children? It is NOT inspirational when a 31 year old man who barely breaks 12 seconds, who doesn't have a SB can run in the 100m at the Olympic Games! Any money he used to pay his way to the Olympics could have been used to organize any number of 18-22 year olds to run instead. THAT WOULD BE INSPIRATIONAL! And, don't conflate the story of the Afghan girl with these other ne'erdowell countries ineptitude. Her story WAS inspirational; especially when you factor in that the Taliban were killing women for these types of "offenses". It was a miracle that she was even there. Bullshit! 11.61 is NOT difficult, nearly any soccer player can run it...it shows that a country is NOT doing anything to develop the athletes - which is in that country's charter. Countries should be required to show a certain level of development. They have to show certain requirements to be members of the UN, why should sport be different?
Easy or not, they are failing their mandate and should be held accountable. Plus the fact that they don't have a track is a red-herring! Jamaica had 1 track up until about 15 years ago and most of Jamaica's athletes in the same parrish where Bolt is from ran mostly on non-surfaced tracks. Is there not grass in these countries you speak of? Also, both Saint Kitts and Nevis and Grenada only built their first tracks in the past 10 years! Saint Kitts built their track AFTER they had an athlete win the World Championships at ... wait for it ... the 100m.
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Judging from sentiments on this board and other commentary surrounding this olympiad in traditional and social media, l think it would be fair to say that the olympics as we know it to be might soon implode from capitalist agendas and power tripping.
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Do some research before posting claptrap. The Olympic Creed reads: "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well."
In fact IOC wants more participation so that they cant continue to say that the Olympics are he greatest event. It also ensures that the Olympics get coverage in the media in even the remotest locations. Basically IOC wants people in evry country to watch the Olympics and read about it. Thats why they encourage participation
What nonsense. Most soccer players cannot run 100m in less than 12 seconds. This shows how clueless you are. I am starting to wonder if you ever ran the 100m at all. A while back, a 100m race was organized in Australia. It featured the fastest athletes in the major Australian sports. It had the fastest runners from Aussie rules, rugby league & rugby Union. Now keep in mind that these are sports that require the fastest runners especially for positions like winger. The winner was clocked at 11.15 others clocked 11.77 , 11.99 and and the last placed person was clocked at 12.48. Now if a world class sportsman who is considered fast can only run 12.48, how slow do you think the rest of his team-mates are ? And keep in mind that rugby players are usually faster than soccer players. Playing wing at Rugby demands speed. You can read about that race here http://www.rugbydump.com/2010/09/1612/l ... ralia-race
It has been proven above that many of these countries do indeed have races to select the best runners. So I am not sure what you are ranting about.
And what is this mandate you speak of ? Are you suggesting the IOC is flouting its own rules. -->Nonensense The Olympic creed that was created by De Coubertin, the founder of the Olympics speciifically states that participation is the most important thing. You are probably the only person on this planet who is pissed off about this. Everyone else cheers these athletes. Some like Eric Mussambani actually get a standing ovation just for effort. Take a chill pill calm down and enjoy the games. Everyone else is.
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Coubertin would have been fine with the slow athletes from those tiny countries running as long as they were wealthy and not working class
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"Bullshit! 11.61 is NOT difficult, nearly any soccer player can run it...
What nonsense. Most soccer players cannot run 100m in less than 12 seconds. This shows how clueless you are. I am starting to wonder if you ever ran the 100m at all." Not sure what personal experience has to do with it, certainly not as part of some out-of-place ad hominem attack. As a former Decathlete who did run 10.8 (Mt. Sac, 1960, early auto-timing), and lifetime fan of both sports, I can testify on two counts: 1) Many Decathletes struggle to get close to 11 flat; and 2) Soccer Players, who depend on short bursts amidst sustained slower tempo running, don't do well in a 100m Time Trial: I recall the Chivas of Guadalajara posting 100m for the whole team, with Goalie Nacho Calderon fastest at 11.5, beating even quick Winger Willie Gomez, whom most would've guessed fastest. I'd love to find out Leonel Messi's time, maybe around 11, but suspect Cristiano Reynaldo, with his long, smooth stride is faster over 100m.
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Wrong again. Show me ONCE where I said, or implied that the object was to win? You've only proven you're a liar. Also, how can an athlete "[fight] well" if they haven't been prepared or taught to fight? Do your research! The IOC has been trying to CUT the number of athletes participating at the Games. The IOC also tried to eliminate the Parade of Athletes; the most inspirational thing guaranteed to get coverage. That's disgusting that you would LIE again. The "winner" was 11.10! Second was 11.15 which is faster than 11.61 for people who don't train to run the 100m; 12.48 is a "word class" sportsman? Phil Mickelson would have to run 11.61, too? I am starting to wonder if you've ever run the 100m at all. Again, most soccer players have the ability to run 11.61 - even your "article" proves that by your logic.
Actually, you're ranting...at me. one race is NOT development. You need to read more than you write. I posted the IOC charter already. You should read it, it's a few posts back I'm the only person who has ever commented negatively about this? And you are silly to believe everyone cheers these athletes. One of my former coaches surely wouldn't cheer and that coach was awarded a lifetime award for dedication to Track and Field by one of the people who posts on this forum in red letters. You need to chill, calm down and enjoy the games; but leave what can actually make the sport of Track and Field better to the people who actually know it. (see how arrogant that sounds. Dial back your aggressive tone to zero)
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Is Preston having a road rage attack?
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Tuariki has someone taken over your account? Surely this is not the "tuariki" who savaged Nick Simmonds and every poster who would dare to defend him? Or is it the same "Tuariki" who behaved the same way on the Jacko Gill thread? Telling someone they're wrong is NOT "road rage", which makes me wonder what your angle is here?
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http://www.iaaf.org/Mini/OLY12/News/New ... x?id=66218
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I too am wondering why he has become so unhinged over this issue which really amounts to nothing. I mean so what if IOC invites someone who runs the 100m in 11.61 seconds ? This whole thing bears laughing Last edited by kamikaze7 on Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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This is spot on and is the part that Preston does not get. He has no proof that most soccer players can run under 11.61 seconds yet he brazenly posts such bogus opinions. In my experience, people have estimated how fast soccer players can run based on the speed over short distances. What they dont realize is that running at high speed in short quick bursts is very differnt from running 100m and maintaining your form. When timed, the fastest soccer players record around 11.30 seconds but most will not run under 12 seconds. It is clownish to think that David Beckam can run the 100m in less than 12 sec. And training for the 100m will not get Beckam or most soccer players to run below 12 sec. I am guessing Preston never played soccer and barely watches soccer. If he bothered to watch, he would never make such a ridiculous assertion. That kind of speed really is not neccesary in soccer. Look at the Spain team. They win everything with slow players. Last edited by kamikaze7 on Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:11 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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You said “the IOC and the IAAF. Participants for participants sake does nothing to adhere to either of the creeds of the IOC or the IAAF or the NOC's.” Which is absolute bogus because the IOC creed as written places emphasis on participation. Nowhere does it say slow athletes should not be invited. And nowhere does it say that countries that do not promote the sport should not be invited
Dont ask me. That is what the IOC creed says. I did not write it.
Try and engage your brain. Increasing the number of countries does not mean increasing the number of athletes who participate. I said the IOC wants every country to participate, not more athletes.
The winger is the fastest position in rugby, If a world class winger runs the 100m in 12.48 then how did you reach the conclusion that most soccer players can run the 100m in less than 11.61 ? That is warped reasoning. Secondly where is the proof to bolster your assertion that most soccer players can run 100m in less than 11.61 ? It is the height of nonsense
The IOC are not flouting any mandate nor breaking any rules by inviting slower runners. Deal with it
Almost No one on this forum supports the premise of this thread. As for your coach , I will only believe it if you provide proof. Most decent people on this planet applaud the efforts of these athletes regardless of how slow they are. Show me a quote from a prominent coach or a prominent athlete or anyone respectable who complains about this. As far as I can see, the only person with a problem is you. --> Arrogance
Funny how you can say that yet it is you who has been aggressively jumping down everyones throat on this issue. Bottom-line: IOC likes the participation the athletes. No one is complaining except you. So nothing will change. Deal with it. Your temper tantrums, will not change a thing
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I don't think you think that it bears laughing, otherwise you wouldn't have become unhinged -slinging ad hominems and insults- at the prospect of me NOT singing in unison with some of you, while gleefully clapping, as another "Olympian" struggled to break 12 or 13 seconds. You're mad that I don't agree with you. Erroneusly trying to give me lessons in the Olympic charter when I clearly wrote what it said. Why? I have no idea. Now, you're looking for allies (as are others) but it doesn't change the fact that I'm NOT the only poster who believes that the IAAF and IOC needs to institue even stronger qualifications for the athletes who are not qualified to compete. As our sport founders for lack of interest and relevance in some countries, the IAAF needs to task each country with a goal of proving that they're developing sport. Maybe a 3 or 5 year probation period for laggards after which countries will be barred from participation and IAAF events. IAAF could send in squads to coach and teach administration to countries that are interested in properly representing the sport. Countries would then have be tasked with creating a NEW organization to helm the "franchise" of developing sport in that country. Also, the IAAF needs to pull the HPC out of Kingston, Jamaica. Just in case the IAAF didn't notice, It's a sprint camp and Jamaica (and the NACAC region for that matter) is in no need of sprinters. If Jamaica needs an HPC it should be in some field events or distance races.
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I haven't savaged Symmonds. I have him down on my "atlietektoto" prediction competition for the bronze. What I have said is that he, along with everyone else, is a journeyman for meet promoters if they have Rudisha entered. And whether you or others like it that is what they are when compared to Rudisha. If Symmonds can get down to under 1:42 and close to Rudisha then he may lose his journeyman status in the eyes of meet promoters. I hope he does. What I have challenged, is his belief that he, and apparently most USA athletes, will be able to force the powers that be to give in to their demands to control advertising and promotions at meets. If he and Dwayne Wade want to threaten to leave the playpen that is their choice. The IOC and the public won't care. If Bolt was to do the same,the IOC and the public ultimately won't care.The world will move. The Olympics will continue with or without them. If the Olympics can continue 36 hours after the murder of 11 Israeli athletes then the threats from a few self centred and pampered USA athletes that they won't play if you don't give in to their demands is like; so who cares. There are plenty more fish in the sea. Also I am also of the opinion that most professional soccer players and most professional rugby players cannot break 12.00 in the 100m. The All Blacks from NZ are the best international rugby team in the world. Of the 40 or so players in the current All Black Squad I would very much doubt there would be more than 1 or 2 who can break 11.00 in the 100m. And although I usually agree with many of your arguments, sorry, your language specifically directed to Kamikaze7 is reminiscent of "road rage".
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Your experience only tells me that you don't know a lot about human performance. Sprinting is a skill, you don't see that so assume that training can't benefit it. You're wrong Also, if you could stop hyperventilating long enough to think about not insulting me then you might understand the Olympic charter which I posted and you disingenuously attempt to ignore by continuing to bring up a "creed".
More insults, I see. Wrong. You and others talked about participation as a function of goodwill, etc and mentioned how it would be of no benefit to the IOC...fewer opportunities, eliminating the parade is NOT the IOC means that the IOC not surprisingly comes to a different conclusion than you do. So, if we put Greg Norman at winger and he runs 17 seconds than we should consider him world class? This proves you have no idea of what you're talking. No where is 12.48 fast, yet you're trying to say it is because he plays a position? That's so wrong-headed that I'm laughing at you. Truly. [/quote]Almost No one on this forum supports the premise of this thread. [/quote]That's a foolish statement as there are many here who believe that the WC and Oly should be semis and finals ONLY. A sentiment that one of our moderators has said would be fine with him. You don't even understand why that's an arrogant statement. You have not shown a shred of decency in this thread yet you are the judge? And, you're repeating yourself. You see what you want to see so why would I waste time showing you something that you know is there and you can/shohuld find for yourself. You're wrong. Again.
I've jumped down no one's throat. It is you who have been a complete jerk throughout this thread. Do you believe you will intimidate me? It won't work.
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Your whole rant is laughable. if this was an issue then other athletes would complain and the crowds would boo these athletes. We know that both fans and the athletes are quick to express their anger. Now ask yourself why no one has complained about this issue in public. Could it be that no one else thinks it’s a problem. Think
I am not mad at you. Your opinion is irrelevant. The only opinion that matters is that of the IOC and IAAF. And I am happy they include these athletes. You are the one who is angry about this. I am simply expressing my happiness that IOC is doing the right thing
I don’t need to look for allies. The IOC already agrees with my position. You are the one who has to deal with it.
It borders on comical for IAAF to institute such a rule. Barring a country like Kiribati will not make them produce faster runners. In fact it will cause them to withdraw from the sport altogether. IAAF applied their common sense and realized that some countries need a carrot and not a stick and some countries need both.
It makes sense for IAAF to send technical support. I don’t have a problem with that. It is not the subject of this debate
Bringing Jamaica into this discussion is bogus. First the sport is popular in Jamaica so its bound to thrive: Politicians, companies, the people etc support track and field. In small pacific islands the opposite is true. So IAAF has to use other means to get the public interested. Secondly Jamaica has a strong tradition in the sport and they have a demographic that is suited to the sport. None of the Pacific islands have a tradition in this sport. Comparing the Carribean Islands to the tiny Pacific Islands makes zero sense. It makes your argument hollow
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I am of the opinion that most professional soccer players could; I never mentioned anything about Rugby (where the athletes are routinely bigger than soccer players) but you need to stop moving the bar. We're talking about 11.61 and 12 seconds, why are you talking about 11 now? yout last comment proves that you have an agenda; kamikaze, your new ward, has directed insult after insult at me but you say I'm the one exhibiting "road rage". You don't have ANY comments for him? Whether you've agreed with me in the past is irrelevant if you can't see the disparity now. It seems like you feel that you've found a relative kindred spirit in kamikaze since you were one of the first to not agree with my position.
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You know the best way to avoid the Olympic spoiler? Stay away from the Internet. 
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I'm not ranting, kamikaze, it's you. I can see you pounding away at your keyboard in abject hate. Oh, the old layman/fan would have asked for it by now argument? red-herring. Here on this board many have mentioned it. Again, you try to deflect from the fact that I'm telling the truth and you're telling lies to bolster your point.
it's clear that you're mad at me, you're just embarrassed that you've been called out for getting so worked up over an opinion that I have towards the organizations tasked with running the sport. Everyday, posters talk about IOC/IAAF opinions they don't agree with; they're opinions sometimes become rules (false start rule; allegiance). You are mad and you need to calm down. And, if you're so happy that the organizations agree with your position why respond so rudely and angrily? It's because you're mad. Not barring countries (not just Kiribati, it could be any country) for developing sport would be silly. A Sales manager would assign salesman a territory and measure against a benchmark. These countries (it's in their charter even if you don't want to acknowledge it) are to develop athletes. What's the benchmark? They need to be re-orged.
It is the part of this debate. That's part of development which is part of the IAAF's mandate. [quote="kamikaze7"Bringing Jamaica into this discussion is bogus. First the sport is popular in Jamaica so its bound to thrive: Politicians, companies, the people etc support track and field. In small pacific islands the opposite is true. So IAAF has to use other means to get the public interested. Secondly Jamaica has a strong tradition in the sport and they have a demographic that is suited to the sport. None of the Pacific islands have a tradition in this sport. [/quote] Again, try to understand through all of your anger instead of just responding. The HPC's are for development. The HPC in Jamaica is for sprint development; however, other countries don't/won't send their athletes there. Jamaica doesn't NEED sprint development, it needs development in some field events and the distances, if at all. That's not bogus, it's your anger not allowing you to follow the discussion. The Kiribati's of this world NEED the HPC and some coaches more than Jamaica does.
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Preston and Kamikaze7 both make some valid points but those points are somewhat lost in the hail of bullets and missiles going backwards and forwards. And sorry Preston but IMO the bigger bullets and bigger missiles are still coming from your direction.
My observation on countries like Kiribati,Nauru, Tuvalu etc is that the Olympics do not need them. In terms of athletic performance they offer nothing and likely never will. It doesn't matter how well organized they are or how well intentioned they are the demographic realities are such that they will never produce an international class athlete in their own countries. If they do it is more likely because they have a Tiffany Porter equivalent who sees it as an easy way to get to the Olympics because their natural pathway is blocked by better athletes in the natural country. And conversely, countries like Kiribati,Nauru, Tuvalu etc do not need the Olympics. The Olympics have no relevance to those people living on those islands. But every 4 years several people get free trips to the Olympics because I understand they are funded by the IOC to participate. And when someone offers you are free fully funded trip to London there will be no shortage of volunteer officials and volunteer "token" athletes. In many cases the hanger on officials from the countries greatly out numbered their "athletes" and it appeared most of them were massively un-athletic.
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This bothered me when I saw the really small teams. They'd list 3 athletes on the TV screen but there would be ten people walking. They really need that many support staff? And I agree that if you're going to send athletes they should at least be your best, not some politic or nepotistic favor.
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It is easy Daisy. If you are the local village chief muckety muck and some do-gooder IOC VIPs turn up offering free trips to the London Olympics just for organizing your island's IOC blessed committee or IAAF blessed committee (and putting in a positive vote for Sergey Bubka or whoever) then guess what? Big fat village chief becomes the patron saint for Nauruan Track and Field. Unfortunately, "your best" is a very subjective term when it comes to the Nauru's, the Tuvalu's of the world.
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Why dont you start by telling me where I lied ? You on the other hand have posted blatant lies like “All soccer players can run the 100m in less than 11.61". You have no statistics to prove such a ridiculous notion. You are posting impractical ideas like "barring the small islands until they can produce good runners". Since all your ideas have been debunked and exposed for their lack of substance you’ve resorted to peddling falsehoods
Why would I be mad at you ? You are the one who has been embarrassed here because nobody agrees with your ideas. I am happy to see athletes from small Islands compete and like everyone else I will cheer them while you remain bitter.
None of your ideas will ever be implemented by IOC or IAAF because they are not practical. Barring a nation like Kiribati from competition in the hopes that they will raise their standards is a useless idea. Thank goodness the people at IOC actually have brains.
So you think countries should be treated like sales managers ? Your ideas are so laughable. Sales managers are employed by a company and have an obligation to work because they are paid to do their jobs. The officials in a country like Kiribati are most likely volunteers. If IOC starts sanctioning them , they will simply quit. I am glad you continue to expose your laughable ideas for the whole forum to see and Im having a good time exposing you. To begin with the premise of this whole thread is bogus
Re: Do these countries have National Championships?
Why don't we start above where you tell ANOTHER lie to make your point. I NEVER said all soccer players, I said:
You also lied that I was the only one to espouse these views, however there are others - as I told you viewtopic.php?f=1&t=47708 I've only posted the truth and my opinion. You on the other hand have posted lie after lie and scandalous exageration is the nearest you've come to the truth. And I've exposed you for peddling this fraudulent information and that's what galls you. It's really not that serious. CALM DOWN. I have no idea why you're mad, I guess it's because you're an intemperate person as pointed in this thread by poster "Jackaloupe"
, but mostly it's because you're definitely embarrassed that you couldn't back up your lies and I pointed them out. This again proves that you have no idea what you're talking about or how organizations work. The Bahamas and a few other countries almost had their OC's decertified in the last 4 years...and there were additional officials WAITING to fill their place. And, in every country they're practically killing for the perks of the job. You clearly have no idea of what you're talking about and this is why you continue to get mad and sling insults, etc. IAAF/IOC do expect each country to pull their weight (effectively acting as sales managers) only they don't punish or hold them accountable except in the most egregious of circumstances.
I'm not sure you understand what premise means if you think the existence of this thread is bogus.
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