Flumpy wrote:That's not a bad idea. There is a bronze going spare and the other main contenders won't be in the 100m.
It may not be a bad idea but I think it's a mistake. I believe, apparently like Allyson Felix, that the 100m will help him for the 200m. It's true the 200m offers far less competition and a "better" opportunity for a medal than does the 100 but the if his body is not "firing" to run fast enough than it doesn't matter anyway. There is a long list of athletes who have run PB's after doubling at championships.
Far less competition? Please... He's just better 200 runner and he knows it.
Flumpy wrote:That's not a bad idea. There is a bronze going spare and the other main contenders won't be in the 100m.
It may not be a bad idea but I think it's a mistake. I believe, apparently like Allyson Felix, that the 100m will help him for the 200m. It's true the 200m offers far less competition and a "better" opportunity for a medal than does the 100 but the if his body is not "firing" to run fast enough than it doesn't matter anyway. There is a long list of athletes who have run PB's after doubling at championships.
I'm sure you know better than Christophe and his coach how to get him 'firing' for the 200m final
Flumpy wrote:That's not a bad idea. There is a bronze going spare and the other main contenders won't be in the 100m.
It may not be a bad idea but I think it's a mistake. I believe, apparently like Allyson Felix, that the 100m will help him for the 200m. It's true the 200m offers far less competition and a "better" opportunity for a medal than does the 100 but the if his body is not "firing" to run fast enough than it doesn't matter anyway. There is a long list of athletes who have run PB's after doubling at championships.
Far less competition? Please... He's just better 200 runner and he knows it.
Up until Lemaitre ran 19.80 he was an infinitely better 100m runner than he was a 200m runner (9.92 v 20.1x). He has a SB of 19.91 and his coach said LAST YEAR that they would concentrate on running the 200m only (his coach admitted that if not for the Powell, Gay late withdrawals in Daegu that he may have not run the 100m) - so it's no surprise that his 100m this year is "behind" his 100m of last year.
100m: Bolt, Blake, Powell, Gatlin, Gay, Blake, Thompson, Bledman - every single one of the 8 athletes listed have faster PB's than Lemaitre, only one doesn't have a faster SB, Thompson. 200: Bolt, Blake and Spearmon are the only athletes who have faster PB's than Lemaitre; Martina, Ndure and Weir though competitive should be beaten by Lemaitre - but possibly NOT by a lot, if at all; Spearmon hasn't run faster than Lemaitre's PB of 19.80 since 2010. Now, if the 200m included Gay and Bailey/Dix/Gatlin and a healthy Edwards of 2009 then there is NO WAY that Lemaitre has an advantage at 200m versus 100m and anyone who follows the sprints would tell you that. So, you're wrong, he's not a better 200m runner, he's more competitive at 200m than he is at 100m - he's equally good at both.
liuxuan wrote:well 19.32 was a good example, and VCB ran 22.05 in athens but apart from that i cant think of many examples of a big 200m PB after doubling
here's a few: Frankie Fredericks, Ato Boldon, Juliet Cuthbert, Florence Griffeths-Joyner, Valerie Brisco-Hooks, Walter Dix, Shawn Crawford, Churandy Martina (before DQ), Valery Borzov, Allyson Felix, Inger Miller, Silke Gladisch-Möller, Kathy Smallwood-Cook, Susanthika Jayasinghe and Christophe Lemaitre
Powell wrote:Christophe Lemaitre pulled out of the 100.
Official? I've seen 3 articles that have said he likely will, but still not sure yet.
edit, never mind, found the article.
the only article I've seen says high up that they put an X next to the 100, for not running. But then at the end the coach leaves the door open,saying "if there are significant withdrawals" in the 100....."
Meaning that should Bolt and Gay be riding in the same taxi and it crashes he'll hop right back into the mix.
Powell wrote:Christophe Lemaitre pulled out of the 100.
Official? I've seen 3 articles that have said he likely will, but still not sure yet.
edit, never mind, found the article.
the only article I've seen says high up that they put an X next to the 100, for not running. But then at the end the coach leaves the door open,saying "if there are significant withdrawals" in the 100....."
Meaning that should Bolt and Gay be riding in the same taxi and it crashes he'll hop right back into the mix.
Your right, I found an article published yesterday that said his coach confirmed. But then the 3rd paragraph which i skipped out on said: Carraz said they could reconsider the decision to miss the 100m if there were significant withdrawals before the event, which starts on 4 August.
Well apparently Mike is not too happy with the US OC's choice to take him off the team. He felt that he was healthy enough to run. http://www.obubison.com/article/2134.php
jeremyp wrote:Is it true that Jaylan is not on Ethiopian 10k team? and T. Dibaba only is in 10k?
jeilan did not make the team.
t. dibaba is in the 10000 and an alternate in the 5000 if t. dibaba wants to run the 5000 the spot it is hers if t. dibaba does not want to run the 5000 there will be tremendous pressure on her to run it anyway.
i would be very surprised if she does not run both the 10000 and 50000
jeremyp wrote:Is it true that Jaylan is not on Ethiopian 10k team? and T. Dibaba only is in 10k?
jeilan did not make the team.
Jeylan did not even attempt to make the team in the earlier "trial" race; he ran on July 5, but did not finish.
jeremyp wrote:t. dibaba is in the 10000 and an alternate in the 5000 if t. dibaba wants to run the 5000 the spot it is hers if t. dibaba does not want to run the 5000 there will be tremendous pressure on her to run it anyway.
i would be very surprised if she does not run both the 10000 and 50000
Well, that probably depends on how she does in the 10,000 on the first day. In 2007, she withdrew from the 5000 after winning the 10,000, in which she had stomach trouble, fell way back, but caught up and finally out-kicked Abeylegesse. That was one of the gutsiest efforts I have ever seen; I thought she was going to drop out.
I really hope to see "T" in the 5, too. Cheruiyot has not run a particularly quick 10K, either on the road or track, although she won both her road and track PB races. Dibaba's 30:24 in Eugene is a good sign, and especially her destruction of Defar in New York. My guess is that Dibaba can beat Cheruiyot in the 10, but it may be more difficult in the 5. Also, Defar is not doubling this time, which improves her chances in the 5. Cheers, Alan Shank Woodland, CA, USA
An article on the front page on Desiree Davila says she'll decide tomorrow if she'll be competing in the marathon. She's injured, and will wait for a final workout to determine if she runs.
IF she doesn't, would there be a replacement, and who would she be?? Hastings??
Is anyone else confused with the article on the front page about Mike Rodgers disputing the diagnosis and now wants to run? He pulled out himself and even tweeted that he could not run back when it first happened. Now he believes he is healthy to run?
ATK wrote:Is anyone else confused with the article on the front page about Mike Rodgers disputing the diagnosis and now wants to run? He pulled out himself and even tweeted that he could not run back when it first happened. Now he believes he is healthy to run?
Yeah, that seems strange. If you go public about how you have a fracture in your foot a couple weeks before the Games start, what do you expect to happen.
Murielle Ahore was meant to be torch bearer for Ivory Coast but she seemed to be a last minute drop out. It was actually carried by a man although the bbc commentary team said it was Ahore. Hopefully she does'nt have a problem.
EME1980 wrote:Murielle Ahore was meant to be torch bearer for Ivory Coast but she seemed to be a last minute drop out. It was actually carried by a man although the bbc commentary team said it was Ahore. Hopefully she does'nt have a problem.
I'm pretty sure I saw Ahouré among all the other athletes from her country.
liuxuan wrote:well 19.32 was a good example, and VCB ran 22.05 in athens but apart from that i cant think of many examples of a big 200m PB after doubling
Does anyone knows about the Ngoni Makusha? In the middle of spring, the press reported that he had broken Achilles tendon. Nevertheless, he announced in list of participants. What, really?
torch bearer for Ivory Coast (sic, Republique de Cote d' Ivoire, pronounced any old way, like NBC's Coat de EYE-vore). Watch out, yer violating official Ivoirian policy, app. recognized internationally;~)
gennady wrote:Does anyone knows about the Ngoni Makusha? In the middle of spring, the press reported that he had broken Achilles tendon. Nevertheless, he announced in list of participants. What, really?
Where do you seem him listed as an athlete in London?
AthleticsAfrica 21 June Ngoni Makusha out of #London2012: 2011 NCAA double champion and Zimbabwe record-holder Ngoni Makusha will miss the Olympic Games in London because of his Achilles tendon problems. @Eme News
Matic Osovnikar( wasn't in team for London), Slovenian 100 and 200m record holder, has retired. European 100m bronze medalist 2006, WC finalist 2007. Far from that form in the last couple of years.
gennady wrote:Does anyone knows about the Ngoni Makusha? In the middle of spring, the press reported that he had broken Achilles tendon. Nevertheless, he announced in list of participants. What, really?
Where do you seem him listed as an athlete in London?
Hastings and Cherobon-Baucom are in 10K, and I think Deena is injured.
So can any one replace her at this moment?
There's an "update" to that article! Desiree tweeted something like "Wow! News to me!! Checking with team doctor. Taking it day by day"
Not verbatim, but close!! The question then becomes, SHOULD she compete with a suspected injury?? And YOUR question of WHO would/could replace her!!! Every event should have alternates available (IN London!!!!) and, as the Dixie Chicks sang, "Ready to Run"!!!
aaronk wrote:Every event should have alternates available (IN London!!!!) and, as the Dixie Chicks sang, "Ready to Run"!!!
Does it really make sense to tag along 40 athletes (that's in T&F alone), out of whom MAYBE 1 or 2 will get to compete? Sounds like a big waste of resources to me.
aaronk wrote:Not verbatim, but close!! The question then becomes, SHOULD she compete with a suspected injury?? And YOUR question of WHO would/could replace her!!! Every event should have alternates available (IN London!!!!) and, as the Dixie Chicks sang, "Ready to Run"!!!
The deadline for entering alternates was weeks ago. USATF entered one alternate in each event, when they could. I don't know who the marathon alternate is, but that's the only person that could replace her.
aaronk wrote:Every event should have alternates available (IN London!!!!) and, as the Dixie Chicks sang, "Ready to Run"!!!
Does it really make sense to tag along 40 athletes (that's in T&F alone), out of whom MAYBE 1 or 2 will get to compete? Sounds like a big waste of resources to me.
Remember in 2007, David Payne replaced somebody (Oliver?) at the last minute; he had to be flown in from the US. This was the WC, of course, but same issue. He ran 13.02 for a bronze medal!
This kind of stuff gives the lie to the old saw about 4th being "the worst possible place" in USATF or Oly Trials. Tom Hammond uses that constantly to show he's "in the know" about athletics. Cheers, Alan Shank Woodland, CA, USA
Powell wrote:Does it really make sense to tag along 40 athletes (that's in T&F alone), out of whom MAYBE 1 or 2 will get to compete? Sounds like a big waste of resources to me.
Remember in 2007, David Payne replaced somebody (Oliver?) at the last minute; he had to be flown in from the US. This was the WC, of course, but same issue. He ran 13.02 for a bronze medal!
My point exactly! Instead of having 40 extras on site, out of whom 39 would not get to compete, it makes a lot more sense to have a procedure whereby you can fly in that one athlete who is needed on short notice.
Powell wrote: My point exactly! Instead of having 40 extras on site, out of whom 39 would not get to compete, it makes a lot more sense to have a procedure whereby you can fly in that one athlete who is needed on short notice.
The alternates all have their paperwork in and passports in order and can be flown out on short notice. USATF is on the ball about that these days.
How many of these are because the athlete cannot make the national team of his/her original country, but can qualify for Oly/WC for the new one? Another consequence of the 3-per-nation rule and the whole idea of national teams. Cheers, Alan Shank Woodland, CA, USA
