Selsouli AGAIN and other timely + another one bites the dust

[mump boy]

Quelle Surprise

http://www.athleticsweekly.com/news/wor ... -positive/

2 year drug bans are TOTALLY ridicuous and make this sport look stupid time and time and time again

[beebee]

If this lady shows up on time at her McDonald's gig it's probably because of PEDs.

We should never ever have to see this sociopathic cheater perform on a track again.

[mump boy]

She won't be coming back

[lapsus]

Another diuretic positive, right after Fränk Schleck in the Tour de France. Test labs have a new, better detection method, perhaps, for that part of a drug cocktail?

Based on their history (and previous test results and/or blood passport), Selsouli and Schleck both were probably targeted by testers who "knew" there was something iffy. The message is "we know what you are up to, and we will keep testing you until something comes up - then we will throw the book at you". A bit like sending a gangster to prison for decades because of tax evasion.

But I disagree with mump boy, a 2 year ban for first offense is OK from overall fairness POV. Reasoning is similar to why I oppose the death penalty.

[kuha]

Cue Claude Rains....

[jeremyp]

I thought that 1500 of hers looked EPO'ish.

[vencio2]

could we get those testers out to turkey next please...

[Flumpy]

Cue Claude Rains....

It does seem as if that's what they're doing. The powers that be are making aconcerted effort to catch as many of the usual suspects as they can before the games.

Hopefully a few more to go in the next week

[Pego]

Cue Claude Rains....

It does seem as if that's what they're doing. The powers that be are making aconcerted effort to catch as many of the usual suspects as they can before the games.

Hopefully a few more to go in the next week

What I wonder is whether the IAAF is going to give me extra points for Sally Kipyego after Selsouli beat her (in Eugene I think).

[knockout]

Great news... and no surprise, as previous posters have said....

coming back from a drug ban and running much better than before. always a pretty big clue

[skiboo]

In an ironic way, best news I've heard this year. This effing cow will not likely set foot on a track again. To think, she believed nobody would figure it out.

[doug5321]

i am suspicious of everyone who has been caught 1 time, they all have excuses about why they were really innocent, some quite bizarre, some admit cheating and claim they are now clean.

the way i look at it if someone has used PED's its because they did not believe they could win (or be competitive) honestly, and if you did not think you could win honestly before, why would that person think they could do it clean now?


i did not mention names though it includes selsouli, but is not only selsouli.

[kamikaze7]

Im actually surprised.........

Its amazing that she slipped up after being busted once.

[rsb2]

Optimistically speaking, this could indicate that the testers are actually gaining ground on the cheats. And, even if it just appears that way, it's a good thing!

[tm71]

Im actually surprised.........

Its amazing that she slipped up after being busted once.

that it is so quickly afterwards. that is like getting a ticket from one cop going to work in the morning, then getting another one on the way home from work...

[EPelle]

Selsouli was targeted. She had undergone three unannounced tests by the request of the French Agency anti-doping agency (AFLD) at the behest of the IAAF.

From the initial reports, Selsouli's trainer, Rachid Chemlal, appears to contend that Selsouli's failed test co-incided with the first day of her partaking in Ramadan. The inference he may attempt to have drawn is silly and lacks sense. If Selsouli is, indeed, partaking in Ramadan, she's apt to be dehydrated most of the day as I understand she won't be able to consume fluids during the day hours. The drug furosemide is a diuretic that would cause her to have a urine output substantially greater than the rate of hydration she would be able to receive.

[Athletics]

i am suspicious of everyone who has been caught 1 time, they all have excuses about why they were really innocent, some quite bizarre, some admit cheating and claim they are now clean.

the way i look at it if someone has used PED's its because they did not believe they could win (or be competitive) honestly, and if you did not think you could win honestly before, why would that person think they could do it clean now?


i did not mention names though it includes selsouli, but is not only selsouli.

Gatlin?

[knockout]

"Ramadan", thats disgraceful pulling that card out of the hat.

Using a religious event to try and cover your ass..... almost as bad as the cheating itself.

I seriously doubt any one could observe ramadan (which runs throught the whole olympics) and expect to maintain the kind of form required to win a medal.

At this time of the year you are talking about 17-18 hours each day without any food or water, brutal... (total respect for those who are fasting!)

[errolM]

I read that one of the British rowers is organising 600 meals for the poor in Morocco (his father's homeland) after the games - this apparently is allowed instead of fasting. He wanted to fast, but decided it just couldn't work. Can't find a link to post right now, please correct me if I'm wrong here.

[Randy Treadway]

I read that one of the British rowers is organising 600 meals for the poor in Morocco (his father's homeland) after the games - this apparently is allowed instead of fasting.

Sounds like buying carbon credits to offset polluting. "Those who can afford it, do it."

Actually, if fasting is a meritorious thing, it should be meritorious at ANY time of the year, so time shifting ought to be acceptable.

[Master Po]

I read that one of the British rowers is organising 600 meals for the poor in Morocco (his father's homeland) after the games - this apparently is allowed instead of fasting.

Sounds like buying carbon credits to offset polluting. "Those who can afford it, do it."

Actually, if fasting is a meritorious thing, it should be meritorious at ANY time of the year, so time shifting ought to be acceptable.

Not interested in diverting this thread, as I want its focus to remain on Selsouli's failed test. But just to clarify -- exceptions/alternatives to keeping the Ramadan fast have long been permitted for practicing Muslims. Muslim athletes participating in the OG can as adults make their own decisions on this, typically in consultation with family or their local religious community leaders, but I would guess that many/most will be exempted or provide alternative (as noted above regarding the rower). At the very least, the travel exemption (see link below) would apply to nearly all of them.

This link is a good one for basic clarification of the practices related to Ramadan:
http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Arti ... C0808-3654

I agree w the post above that Selsouli's "Ramadan excuse" is pathetic -- right up there with the great history of lame excuses for others caught doping. I'd like to hear the explanation for how to be a 3:56 1500 runner "clean" when that was out of her range whilst doping. Maybe she was just well-rested from the long time away from competition...

[nevetsllim]

I thought the sample was taken on the day of the Paris Diamond League which was two weeks before Ramadan. What a stupid excuse.

[EPelle]

According to a Le Matin report (based on a l'Equipe story), her coach, Chemlal, states that the first test (failure?) coincided with 21-July, the first day of their Ramadan observance.

Chemlal a indiqué que sa protégée avait subi un contrôle antidopage le 21 juillet qui coïncidait avec le premier jour du mois sacré de Ramadan à l’instar des autres athlètes marocains qui feront le voyage à Londres. Il a précisé que la Fédération internationale d’athlétisme n’aurait pas besoin de la contrôler une autre fois si elle a été positive comme l’a révélé l’Equipe.

[bekayne]

I thought the sample was taken on the day of the Paris Diamond League which was two weeks before Ramadan. What a stupid excuse.

Correct.

"The prohibited substance furosemide was found in Mrs Alaoui Selsouli's sample collected … in Paris on 6 July 2012," a spokesman for the IAAF said in a statement.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/ju ... i-diuretic

[mump boy]

3 more

The sample of Inna Eftimova (Bulgaria) tested positive for synthetic Growth Hormone, while the samples of Nataliya Tobias (Ukraine) and Antonina Yefremova, (Ukraine) both contained traces of synthetic testosterone.

Tobias of course was bronze medallist last time

http://www.iaaf.org//antidoping/news/newsid=66099.html

[andyjgt]

These athletes were not on my list of the most suspicious Ukrainians, especially not Yefremova who raced quite often on the circuit (including Shanghai this year), but it wasn't a complete shock given that neither has raced since the end of May (though given Tobias' only run outdoors was a 4:14 in a 4:04 race I wouldn't have been surprised if she'd ended her season herself - Yefremova had run a sub-52 so was in OK form at least).

Tobias is/was coached by Igor Lishchynskyy, I hope this doesn't mean the silver medallist from Beijing was iffy too

[Master Po]

Six more, as announced here:

http://www.iaaf.org/antidoping/news/newsid=66100.html

Abderrahim Goumri (Morocco)
Iríni Kokkinaríou (Greece)
Meryem Erdogan (Turkey)
Svetlana Klyuka (Russia)
Nailiya Yulamanova (Russia)
Yevgenina Zinurova (Russia)

Don't know if any of these were on any of their nations OG teams, but -- following distance events more than other events -- I noted particularly Goumri, a prominent marathoner in recent years and a factor in several of his nation's team medals at WXC & also Klyuka who was 4th in Beijing 800, iirc.

[Blues]

I thought the sample was taken on the day of the Paris Diamond League which was two weeks before Ramadan. What a stupid excuse.

I don't see how they logically came up with that one. She should have said that her doctor prescribed the diuretic to treat her PMS, and that she didn't know the diuretic was a diuretic or that it was banned by WADA, despite the fact that essentially all diuretics are.

US soccer star Hope Solo evidently had a legitimate explanation since USADA felt it was fairest to give her a public warning a few weeks prior to the Olympics, and the diuretics in each case were different, with Solo's canrenone (metabolite of spironolactone) having the ability to act as a diuretic and also as an anti-androgen agent that can block some of the effects of testosterone, including certain unwanted effects. Hopefully USADA/WADA would have treated a track and field athlete the same as they treated one of the biggest soccer stars in the US, under similar circumstances. I'd imagine that the fallout and skepticism in certain track and field discussion groups would be off the charts though, regardless of the specific circumstances, if for example a star sprinter tested positive for a banned diuretic just before the games, didn't have a TUE, and was given a public warning by the anti-doping agency of her home country..

[Rog]

Can I just say that I think Hope Solo is possibly the coolest name I've ever heard?

[peach77]

The thing with that list of new positives is that they weren't all quite as obvious as Selsouli- I never particularly suspected Yefremova, for example, who has, bar a couple of off seasons, has been fairly consistent and not really improved since she was a youngster and Tobias didn't have any absolutely ridiculously "out there" times either.

Having said all of that, look at the list of countries there. AGAIN. When are the IAAF going to sit up and do something about this? Russia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Turkey (and by the way, is anything being done about Yanit's test refusal considering she ran a NR last week?!), Morocco- same old, same old. DO something about it!

[Gabriella]

There have been four Kenyan positives come to light in the last week too.

Matthew Kisorio - (58:46, 3rd fastest all-time over half marathon) anabolic streoids
Ronald Kipchumba - EPO (from Linz marathon)
Rael Kiyara (ran a course record in the Hmaburg marathon of 2:23.47) - anabolic steroids
Jemima Sumgong Jelagat (second in Boston marathon) - cortisone preparation of prednisolone

[vencio2]

Goumri, of course, was training partner to the infamous rashid ramzi.

[Athletics]

Six more, as announced here:

http://www.iaaf.org/antidoping/news/newsid=66100.html

Abderrahim Goumri (Morocco)
Iríni Kokkinaríou (Greece)
Meryem Erdogan (Turkey)
Svetlana Klyuka (Russia)
Nailiya Yulamanova (Russia)
Yevgenina Zinurova (Russia)

Don't know if any of these were on any of their nations OG teams, but -- following distance events more than other events -- I noted particularly Goumri, a prominent marathoner in recent years and a factor in several of his nation's team medals at WXC & also Klyuka who was 4th in Beijing 800, iirc.

Seems like IAAF is trying to make a somekind of a statement with all these T&F busts before the games. Though none of the busted have so far been a MAJOR star, it's always good to see the cheaters get busted.

[pakillo]

Six more, as announced here:

http://www.iaaf.org/antidoping/news/newsid=66100.html

Abderrahim Goumri (Morocco)
Iríni Kokkinaríou (Greece)
Meryem Erdogan (Turkey)
Svetlana Klyuka (Russia)
Nailiya Yulamanova (Russia)
Yevgenina Zinurova (Russia)

Don't know if any of these were on any of their nations OG teams, but -- following distance events more than other events -- I noted particularly Goumri, a prominent marathoner in recent years and a factor in several of his nation's team medals at WXC & also Klyuka who was 4th in Beijing 800, iirc.

Seems like IAAF is trying to make a somekind of a statement with all these T&F busts before the games. Though none of the busted have so far been a MAJOR star, it's always good to see the cheaters get busted.

No worries, IAAF wouldn't allow their major star to be busted

[peach77]

And another...oh look, from one of the same countries mentioned above!

Greek media is reporting that World Indoor High Jump champion Dimitris Hondrokoukis has been done for stanozolol...

http://www.madata.gr/athletic/211885.html (in Greek)

He denies it (naturally) but has announced it himself and withdrawn from the team.

They really are going for it this time, aren't they? We always get a big spate around Olympic time but I'd be VERY worried at the moment if I was on the juice!

GOOD!