I've just watched these races and i am so confused ever who these people are
In the 400 Krivoshapka has changed her hair totally, i know Guschina, no idea who came 3rd but i know Nazarova. In the 1500 i only know the old school, Tomashova, Sobelova, Yevdokimova, who are the top 2 ??
Oh mump come on!
400m Lane 1 - Migunova - Not so well known, but has run on international relay legs before: 1st leg in Heats in Gothenberg 2006, Beijing 08 and 3rd leg on the winning team at 2011 Ech indoors. Lane 2 - Litvinova - had v.good relay legs in Osaka and Beijing, the latter on 2nd against Felix. Lane 3 - Krivoshapka, whom you know Lane 4 - Guschina, whom you know Lane 5 - Firova, who comes 3rd. The European Champion from 2010, and remember she came second to Felix at the World Indoors a couple of seasons ago? Lane 6 - Nazarova, whom you know Lane 7 - Vdovina. Not so well know but ran the 1st leg in the heats in Daegu, and lost Russia the gold in Doha Wch 2010 and nearly lost Russia the gold in Ech Paris 2011. Very poor relay runner Lane 8 - Kapachinskaya, whom you know.
However the last 100m still are a problem for Krivoshapka as they were in the past (in Berlin she almost lost two places in the last 100m).
In this race she's succesfully chasing Guschina and Nazarova the first 200m, but maybe too hard... the third 100m are superb but then she gradually runs out of gas and still runs a 49.16
Would a better strategy have resulted in a sub49? Well, I think: Absolutely
IMHO to adjust the strategy is necessary in order to be a threat to SRR and Montsho at the Olympics final
fromage wrote:There has been some considerable scepticism about the Russian performances in their Trials; I wonder if they consider it strange that Chelsea Hayes with her 7 metres plus in the OT, last year could not make better than 6.50 in the LJ acc to the stats and the previous year well down on that as her seasons best.
Wasn't there a LJ'er named Bob Beamon who had not reached 27 feet (26-11??) prior to jumping 29-2 1/2???
They've called all such monster "leaps" forward in one's PR "Beamonesque" since then!!
I've just watched these races and i am so confused ever who these people are
In the 400 Krivoshapka has changed her hair totally, i know Guschina, no idea who came 3rd but i know Nazarova. In the 1500 i only know the old school, Tomashova, Sobelova, Yevdokimova, who are the top 2 ??
Oh mump come on!
400m Lane 1 - Migunova - Not so well known, but has run on international relay legs before: 1st leg in Heats in Gothenberg 2006, Beijing 08 and 3rd leg on the winning team at 2011 Ech indoors. Lane 2 - Litvinova - had v.good relay legs in Osaka and Beijing, the latter on 2nd against Felix. Lane 3 - Krivoshapka, whom you know Lane 4 - Guschina, whom you know Lane 5 - Firova, who comes 3rd. The European Champion from 2010, and remember she came second to Felix at the World Indoors a couple of seasons ago? Lane 6 - Nazarova, whom you know Lane 7 - Vdovina. Not so well know but ran the 1st leg in the heats in Daegu, and lost Russia the gold in Doha Wch 2010 and nearly lost Russia the gold in Ech Paris 2011. Very poor relay runner Lane 8 - Kapachinskaya, whom you know.
But they all look exactly the same with brown ponytails (in till they cut all their hair off and bleach it !!) they all run fast once, turn up at a champs, go out in Semi then disappear and get replaced by someone else who does the same ad infinitum. It's the same with the 800m women apart from Savinova i haven't got a clue !!
you can swap this for KEN 5k runners, or female tennis players in general. None of them do anything significant enough for long enough to be able to distinguish between them
That is not the same. I need a Cyrillic keyboard. A have one in Linux, Mac, iPad and my old desktop, running Windows XP, but this is my wife's computer. Cheers, Alan Shank Woodland, CA, USA
Alan, have you given that one a go? Type in your word, hit 'space', and your Cyrillic equivalent appears. It's not a translator, but a transliteration agent which enables your Russian words, spelled in English, to be transliterated into Russian. For example: Krasiva [space] becomes красива. Алёша Второй resulted from Alyosha Vtoroy.
So, instead of just typing in Russian, I would have to transliterate into English, then re-transliterate it back into Russian. No, thanks! I am back home now, and all four of my computers have Cyrillic-keyboard software.
This is from "Russia 2", so it's their feed. I have seen others with Russian commentary, but the feed is the same as we saw on Universal Sports.
An interesting thing: the running time is stopped at the finish line, not at the 400 points. The commentator mentions the time and correctly interprets what it means (300 time was 47.67, and he said 'just a bit under 4-minute pace". He had a thorough knowledge of who each runner was and what she'd done, and so did his partner, a woman. They did not use that annoying, head-on closeup so you cannot tell when the runners cross the finish line.
ChizhEnko (same as FomEnko) set the pace for a couple of laps (700m 1:51.94 [64.27]), then SOboleva took over and Chizhenko faded. TomashOva was about 7th with a lap to go (2:57.03 [65.09] commentator noted the slight drop in pace). On the backstretch, KostEtskaya moved up on Soboleva's shoulder, and MartYnova also. In the last 200, it was Kostetskaya pulling away, but Martynova also had a good finish, and Tomashova made her usual charge, passing Soboleva for the last spot on the team.
In the last lap, these people sounded like some of us, getting excited, enjoying the race with insight into what was going on. I was understanding about half of what they said, because my ear is still very rusty and it's hard to parse the sounds fast enough.
It's a shame that we cannot get this kind of commentary on US TV. Cheers, Alan Shank Woodland, CA, USA
It's been a looong time since I remember seeing a top 6 like this - in any meet, never mind a national championships: 2.39 2.37 2.35 2.33 2.31 2.31 Seoul '88 (12 men over 2.31, winner 2.38) and Atlanta '96 (7 over 2.32, winner 2.39) are the only two I can recall. Is this the best non-global-championship HJ result ever ?
berkeley wrote:It's been a looong time since I remember seeing a top 6 like this - in any meet, never mind a national championships: 2.39 2.37 2.35 2.33 2.31 2.31 Seoul '88 (12 men over 2.31, winner 2.38) and Atlanta '96 (7 over 2.32, winner 2.39) are the only two I can recall. Is this the best non-global-championship HJ result ever ?
... all the WCs 1987-1997 also stack up well against Cheboksary 2012. Always puzzled about what has happened to our event since then ... 2005 was the nadir with only one man over 2.30.
Klishina jumped 6.93m at the Russian Cup in Yerino.
The selectors went with the top three at the Russian Champs (Sokolova, Nazarova, Kolchanova) and while it was probably the fairest way of deciding selection, I'm not sure if they will be the most successful trio in London.
berkeley wrote:It's been a looong time since I remember seeing a top 6 like this - in any meet, never mind a national championships: 2.39 2.37 2.35 2.33 2.31 2.31 Seoul '88 (12 men over 2.31, winner 2.38) and Atlanta '96 (7 over 2.32, winner 2.39) are the only two I can recall. Is this the best non-global-championship HJ result ever ?
... all the WCs 1987-1997 also stack up well against Cheboksary 2012. Always puzzled about what has happened to our event since then ... 2005 was the nadir with only one man over 2.30.
It's not a fair comparison though. For example in Moscow 1980 there were "only" three guys over 2.30 or more, but at that time i'm guessing not more than 15 men had jumped 2.30 at all. So in relation that would be a better result than any in your list. I think the best high jump competition ever was Eberstadt 1984 with three men attacking the world record, Zhu breaking it with 2.39 and Mögenburg and Thränhardt both equaling the european record with 2.36 .
As is well known in the sport there are many different criteria for comparison. I just gave absolute values, and no more. Of course you can differetsiirovat according to different criteria, and the result will be different. Their list, I would like to emphasize in the first place a very high level of Russian HJ'ers in the past five years. I hope many will agree with this.
Certainly 1980 was a very good year for the HJ. Three world records! But if we take the average over the Top-6 - SB, anyway, we get 2.3333. Yes, 2.32 in 1980 is not equivalent to 2.32 in 2012. But a comparison of the world's Top-6 is not equivalent to the national championship.
It is difficult to compare past and present. The same table for the 21 th century. The best competitions century, in which the 6th was 2.30 or higher. 1 NC2012 6 2,3433 2 GG2005 6 2,3383 3 OG2004 6 2,3367 4 WC11 6 2,3300 5 OG2000 6 2,3250 6 NC2008 6 2,3050 7 Mus2008 6 2,3000 Eberstadt
