Junior Shot Put '13

[preston]

If I may... an interesting video, well worth the watch... all the way to the end.

World Juniors Training video - Jacko Gill

At the end it says a PB...today? Did they measure? Anyway, I guess my real question is: when are they going to move Jacko up to the 800m?

[shotputter]

Someone should tell Jacko that the World junior boxing championship is not until October.

[jeremyp]

If I may... an interesting video, well worth the watch... all the way to the end.

World Juniors Training video - Jacko Gill

It's the stair hopping that shows this kids power in the legs. What's his weight now? 105 kilos?

[Powell]

Brzozowski 21.14 NJR yesterday in Białystok at the national junior champs.

[leoesharkey]

could be five or six putters over 20m in world juniors and a few over 21m

[bushop]

Video of Stephen Mozia's 20.20m put at the USA Junior Track & Field Championships.

[bushop]

SHOT PUT Tom WALSH 19,16m 7kg 22 06 2012 Colmar

Jacko Gill June 24
Off to Switzerland, France, Spain and Sweden for 2 months :') see you all my mates have a beauty! And going to be a beauty mate

I wonder if he'll spend some time with Val Adams while in Switzerland.

[bushop]

Jacko Gill July 1
Slimmed up for World Juniors 6kg! <3333333333333333333333333333333333693333333333333333333333333333333333333333
Facebook photo

[Tuariki]

Prediction: WJr

Jacko 1st = 23.50 metres

[leoesharkey]

Monza and Brzyovszy to go 21m+ and Gill to sneak over 23m ! my prediction !

[Tuariki]

It is official - no Jacko at the Olympics as NZ selectors have confirmed the final selections for London. Late selections of Newdick (MDec) and Cawley (wPen) were the last Tnf selections.

I guess Jacko decided to keep to his decision to withdraw his name for selection and just focus on winning the WJr tomorrow night.

[leoesharkey]

Possibly the right decision, hope he throws big !

[bushop]

Possibly the right decision, hope he throws big !

Seems like a poor choice... I'm concerned about the motives and attitude behind not accepting the same treatment as everyone else.

[gibson]

Jacko Gill is a fine young man.
his training and methods are awesome.
he's generating excitement in one of the most boring events.
he's making it fun and becoming an all round athlete.
which will allow him to tackle the discus or even the decathlon in the future.

athletics new zealand and many of the good intended posters just get in the way of progress.
inadvertently, they'd to kill the goose that is laying the golden egg, except that gill won't have it and tells them to f***off.

good for gill to shut them out.

at the end of the day. i'd like to see gill box key selectors from athletics NZ and show them what's up.

if gill gets the chance he most definitely should talk to mr. mac wilkins about how to deal with federation crap and such. plus he could learn from THE master.
http://macwilkins.com/

[bushop]

Inadvertently, they'd to kill the goose that is laying the golden egg, except that gill won't have it and tells them to f***off.
good for gill to shut them out.

What does this mean?

Do you expect NZ's federation to name Gill to the team in January based on his "B" Standard?
The sad thing is that Jacko Gill will not be in London... there is no upside here.

[bushop]

World Juniors
Men's Shot Put • qualifying results

[bushop]

Jacko Gill opens with a CR 21.75m (71' 4")
Kangas goes 19.52m (64' 0")
Damo goes 20.44m (67' 0")
Pezer fouls
Brzozowski glides huge... 21.78m (71' 5")

[Vault-emort]

A great comp to watch!

[bushop]

Jacko Gill responds to Brzo with a CR 22.19m (72' 10")
Kangas improves to 19.69m (64' 7")
Damo improves to 20.60m (67' 7")
Pezer goes 18.80m (61' 8")
Brzozowski fouls

[shotputter]

If Jacko doesn't break the world record today, the trip to Barcelona was worthless in comparison to going to Olympics. He can win this competition in his sleep, despite Brzozowski coming in strong. He should have played by the (stupid) rules, make the A standard, come to Barcelona, win, and then go to London.

[bushop]

Jacko Gill opens the 3rd round with a 22.15m (72' 8")
Jun Li spins to 4th place with a 19.72m (64' 8")
Kangas fouls
Damo PBs again with a 21.03m (69' 0")
Pezer goes through to the final in 4th with a 19.83m (65' 1")
Brzozowski fouls

[bushop]

Kangas fouls
Jun Li fouls
Pezer fouls
Damo goes 20.83m (68' 4")
Brzozowski goes 20.88m (68' 9")
Gill ends the 4th round with a 21.84m (71' 8")
... and they're showing a medal ceremony... ug.

[bushop]

5th round:
Kangas moves ahead of Li by 1cm with a 19.73m (64' 8")
Jun Li goes 19.38m (63' 7")
Pezer goes 18.81m (61' 8")
Damo keeps his great meet rolling at 21.16m (69' 5")
Brzozowski goes 21.37m (70' 1")
Gill sets another CR at 22.20m (72' 10")

[bushop]

final round:
Kangas moves ahead of Pezer by 2cm with a 19.85m (65' 1")
Jun Li goes 19.46m (63' 10")
Pezer fouls
Damo goes 20.40m (66' 11")
Brzozowski fouls
Gill finishes the day with 22.02m (72' 3")

[shotputter]

he's generating excitement in one of the most boring events.

By doing what? Releasing videos on youtube? There was nothing exciting today in Barcelona. Everyone knew he was going to win, the record they talked about for the past year didn't get broken, and it is now clear that his decisions about London were all poor choices.

It's obvious that he didn't need to focus on Barcelona in order to win, he could have trained for the senior shot and still win today. So that talk about how they needed to be sure that Jacko will be part of the team months before so that he would know what to train for, goes down the drain. It's just that he wanted to be treated differently and when they treated him like everyone else, he got pissed off. So, shutting the Athletics NZ up did nothing for him.

Jacko in London, now that would be super exciting, even if he doesn't place well, he would still be a 17-year old shot put Olympian. That's huge. But he wasted that opportunity.

So, for me, he didn't make it fun. I'm actually disappointed. He should compete more. With seniors, as he reached that level by going over 20m. That's exciting, that's something to look forward to. Dominating juniors for two more years is like letting Usain Bolt compete with high school kids. Break the JR world record, get done with it. Move on to what matters.

Also, shot put is not a boring event. At the moment, it has one of the strongest fields and it will be an event to watch in London.

his training and methods are awesome.

Are you actually serious? That training works for him because he's exceptionally gifted. In any other application, it would produce injuries, overtraining, and poor results. Go ahead, try it. It has no structure, it's random and some parts of his training are dangerous.

[Tuariki]

I have to agree with shotputter.

First though, thanks to Bushop that I was able to follow the shot competition as it progressed rather than wait for the IAAF site update.

Human nature is a funny old beast. Here I am sitting in Auckland feeling gutted because all Jacko did was to win the Gold, with all 7 of his throws exceeding the incoming World Championship record of 21.47. Having watched Jacko throw non-foul warm ups at the NZ Nationals earlier this year his 22.20m was a major disappointment and surprise. And I am sure Jacko is probably gutted as well. I imagine the pressure of the 23m expectation possibly got the better of him.

And it was certainly a wasted opportunity that Jacko withdrew himself from Olympic selection.

At the Olympics there would be very little expectation of him in terms of placing well. And with that lack of pressure I believe he would have had a good chance of reaching 21m. His warm up throws in December were evidence of his ability to reach 21.

[shotputter]

I'll now have two weeks holiday in Sweden then go home and get training in earnest again, starting out with circuit training, before starting competing again around October time.

http://iaaf.org/Mini/WJC12/News/NewsDet ... x?id=65760

Another delay. We won't see him much this year. He will probably produce a good result in October/November and then we won't hear about him for another four to five months. His career is no longer interesting to me until he starts competing more often.

[AS]

Gill's success at such a young age in this event is rare (hence our excitement). We all salivate at the prospect of what he might become in the coming 5-10 years. We know that this will take a lot of training and hard work.

It's not clear to me that competing at great frequency in the coming year or two will help much, however.

As such, isn't he doing the right thing by staying down in NZ, competing when he feels like it (especially in an event which benefits less from having competitors around you), and training??

As it is, competing as a 'freakshow' in a couple of Diamond Leagues isn't exactly going to help the brand...as he'll just be an also-ran/threw. "17 year old finishes within 5 ft of Olympic champ" is a vaguely interesting headline once...

[shotputter]

As such, isn't he doing the right thing by staying down in NZ, competing when he feels like it (especially in an event which benefits less from having competitors around you), and training??

He should at least be taking part in local meets. It's not that I don't agree with you, it's just he teased us with those results with the senior shot and now we don't get to see it again. He will be a great senior, but to see what he can do at this age is what is exciting right now.

Physically, he is already at the senior level. That's why it's not interesting to me to see him compete only a few times during the year, at junior level.

[bushop]

.... but to see what he can do at this age is what is exciting right now.

Maybe exciting for us–but maybe not what Gill needs to reach his potential.

[rainy.here]

Jacko in London, now that would be super exciting, even if he doesn't place well, he would still be a 17-year old shot put Olympian. That's huge. But he wasted that opportunity.

So, for me, he didn't make it fun. I'm actually disappointed. He should compete more. With seniors, as he reached that level by going over 20m. That's exciting, that's something to look forward to. Dominating juniors for two more years is like letting Usain Bolt compete with high school kids. Break the JR world record, get done with it. Move on to what matters.

I disagree. Jack in London would be kinda boring. There are a lot of good throwers out there and he might not make it through the prelims. 20m is exceptional for his age, but not that good in London. He's young, and hopefully has a long career ahead. If he's truly ready to throw with the big boys, he can do that at next year's world champs. Don't discount the value of winning a world junior title just because of his amazing potential.

[gibson]

great win for gill under great pressure. sure he was looking for a bit better. but.,,

have you ever been in this situation yourself?, at any level, picked to win hands down a long time in advance? if you haven't then you won't understand that it's a really great win.

regarding selection.

of course a run away junior champion of the world has no business being named to an olympic games squad that is more or less void of talent.

of course a super protegee would not benefit from seasoning 4 years later.

of course you don't send a world raked thrower at age 16 who in all likelihood is expected to get much better.

of course an athlete the gets a B standard at age 16 is not likely to achieve an A+ at 17.

of course you can't treat a super protegee any different than the others, a 35 year old shot putter with 20.3 should be treated exactly the same way.

of course NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HAS A JUNIOR ATHLETE OF THIS CALIBER NOT GOING TO THE GAMES.

of course you need to wait until the last minute to figure out if gill should be on the team.

things like this are why, of course most federations suck c*ck

come on, pick up the phone and call NZ athletics and give them a piece of your mind.

[bushop]

things like this are why, of course most federations suck c*ck

come on, pick up the phone and call NZ athletics and give them a piece of your mind.

Those calls should go to the Gills. They decided to "withdrawal from consideration" for London.

[Tuariki]

Another delay. We won't see him much this year. He will probably produce a good result in October/November and then we won't hear about him for another four to five months. His career is no longer interesting to me until he starts competing more often.

He should at least be taking part in local meets. It's not that I don't agree with you, it's just he teased us with those results with the senior shot and now we don't get to see it again. He will be a great senior, but to see what he can do at this age is what is exciting right now.

Physically, he is already at the senior level. That's why it's not interesting to me to see him compete only a few times during the year, at junior level.

And this time shotputter I have to disagree with you.

Jacko doesn't throw for your pleasure, or mine, or any of us crazies who follow his performances on this forum. If he wants to just throw with the 6kg for the next 18 months then that is his right and his decision. Of course we would all be disappointed because that is not what we want. But what we want is irrelevant. What is relevant is what Jacko wants. Its his life, his career; not ours.

However, in saying that, I am also confident Jacko will give us what we crazies want. Maybe not in terms of the numbers of competitions that shotputter is hoping to see. But I believe that while Jacko wants to erase Storl's 22.73 I believe his ultimate junior targets are the records of Michael Carter. So, I am looking forward to Jacko going 24.80m which I believe is the ultimate record (but with the 6kg). I have already watched Jacko throw a non-foul warm up past Carter's 20.65m

[mump boy]

Jacko Gill is a fine young man.
his training and methods are awesome.
he's generating excitement in one of the most boring events.
he's making it fun and becoming an all round athlete.
which will allow him to tackle the discus or even the decathlon in the future.

athletics new zealand and many of the good intended posters just get in the way of progress.
inadvertently, they'd to kill the goose that is laying the golden egg, except that gill won't have it and tells them to f***off.

good for gill to shut them out.

at the end of the day. i'd like to see gill box key selectors from athletics NZ and show them what's up.

if gill gets the chance he most definitely should talk to mr. mac wilkins about how to deal with federation crap and such. plus he could learn from THE master.
http://macwilkins.com/

How cutting off your nose to spite your face is shutting THEM up, i'll never know. He would be flying straight to London now if he hadn't thrown a diva strop