beebee wrote:The USA trials in the cool rain of Oregon and tremendous depth in every sprint event was far superior.
Jeter will beat SAFP again just like at last year's Championships and since 2009.
Or SAFP will beat her like she did in 2009 and in their most recent encounter in 2012.
Tremendous holes in your rationale.
Carmelita Jeter has been the world's fastest women since 2009 and is the defending World womens 100 Champion from last year in a race where SAFP COULDN'T EVEN MEDAL! If Jeter was in SAFP 10.70 she would have run 10.65.
Like she ran 10.85 in New York when SAFP ran 10.92 and she ran what again? 11.05? Or maybe I just imagined it... Oh well... We will see I guess... Good luck to Jeter and good luck to SAFP as well.
Didn't Felix(our third best 100 meter runner) spank SAFP and VCB in Doha?
beebee wrote:The USA trials in the cool rain of Oregon and tremendous depth in every sprint event was far superior.
Jeter will beat SAFP again just like at last year's Championships and since 2009.
Or SAFP will beat her like she did in 2009 and in their most recent encounter in 2012.
Tremendous holes in your rationale.
Carmelita Jeter has been the world's fastest women since 2009 and is the defending World womens 100 Champion from last year in a race where SAFP COULDN'T EVEN MEDAL! If Jeter was in SAFP 10.70 she would have run 10.65.
Jeter is gonna be blown away by Shelly this year, wake up. Going back in time doesn't help you. Who has more gold medals? Well, you lose that too.
Jeter needs to focus on silver. She'll have her hands full with VC, Madison and Baptiste
noxeht12 wrote:Or SAFP will beat her like she did in 2009 and in their most recent encounter in 2012.
Tremendous holes in your rationale.
Carmelita Jeter has been the world's fastest women since 2009 and is the defending World womens 100 Champion from last year in a race where SAFP COULDN'T EVEN MEDAL! If Jeter was in SAFP 10.70 she would have run 10.65.
Like she ran 10.85 in New York when SAFP ran 10.92 and she ran what again? 11.05? Or maybe I just imagined it... Oh well... We will see I guess... Good luck to Jeter and good luck to SAFP as well.
Didn't Felix(our third best 100 meter runner) spank SAFP and VCB in Doha?
And didn't SAFP spank Jeter, Madison and Felix (your top 3 100 meter runners) in the 100m in NYC in their LATEST competition against each other?
VCB is a true Champion & Professional,until she loses the 200M final she cannot be counted out.We've got 4 weeks til the 200M final.VCB will be ready,and Allyson Felix will be too.AF is starving for a gold medal in the 200M.
And didn't SAFP spank Jeter, Madison and Felix (your top 3 100 meter runners) in the 100m in NYC in their LATEST competition against each other?noxeht12
Yup, just watch that replay, on tonite's Universal Sports here in Eugene, and AF looked unable to stay w/ SAFP in the final stages, supposedly her forte.
Parchment, after several false starts, one involving him, clobbered and early hurdle and pulled up. Looks like he's gotten his act together since. What's his PR?
Jackaloupe wrote:And didn't SAFP spank Jeter, Madison and Felix (your top 3 100 meter runners) in the 100m in NYC in their LATEST competition against each other?noxeht12
Yup, just watch that replay, on tonite's Universal Sports here in Eugene, and AF looked unable to stay w/ SAFP in the final stages, supposedly her forte.
Parchment, after several false starts, one involving him, clobbered and early hurdle and pulled up. Looks like he's gotten his act together since. What's his PR?
This is his PR.... His PR before this race was 13.19. I still don't think he has fully gotten it together, which is scary I think seeing what he has so far accomplished. He and Riley has a lot to work on do where technique is concerned if you ask me. A season or 2 with a good coach dedicated to technique and I think they will be 13.0x or even sub-13.
GDAWG wrote:So, who are the three Jamaican 100 Meter Hurdlers who will get crushed by Queen Sally in London?
Event 14 Women 100 Meter Hurdles ===================================================================== Name Age Team Finals Wind ===================================================================== Finals 1 Foster-Hylton, Brigitte Mvp Track Club 12.68 1.3 2 Greaves, Latoya Mvp Track Club 12.77 1.3 3 Williams, Shermaine Unattached 12.78 1.3 4 Dixon, Vonette Unattached 12.90 1.3 5 Spence, Indira Unattached 12.92 1.3 6 Ennis-London, Delloreen Unattached 13.00 1.3 7 Bliss, Andrea Unattached 13.01 1.3 8 Laing, Kimberly Unattached 13.06 1.3
Kinda a changing of the guard taking place... Greaves and BFH trains together. Shermaine finally putting her name out there in the SR ranks. A medal is too much to hope for for Greaves and Williams but semi-finals and maybe sneak into the finals.
GDAWG wrote:So, who are the three Jamaican 100 Meter Hurdlers who will get crushed by Queen Sally in London?
Event 14 Women 100 Meter Hurdles ===================================================================== Name Age Team Finals Wind ===================================================================== Finals 1 Foster-Hylton, Brigitte Mvp Track Club 12.68 1.3 2 Greaves, Latoya Mvp Track Club 12.77 1.3 3 Williams, Shermaine Unattached 12.78 1.3 4 Dixon, Vonette Unattached 12.90 1.3 5 Spence, Indira Unattached 12.92 1.3 6 Ennis-London, Delloreen Unattached 13.00 1.3 7 Bliss, Andrea Unattached 13.01 1.3 8 Laing, Kimberly Unattached 13.06 1.3
Kinda a changing of the guard taking place... Greaves and BFH trains together. Shermaine finally putting her name out there in the SR ranks. A medal is too much to hope for for Greaves and Williams but semi-finals and maybe sneak into the finals.
BFH is likely to get into the finals. Whether or not she medals is another issue. She may have a chance though if Queen Sally shows she's actually human.
noxeht12 wrote:Let's not delude ourselves ESPECIALLY where Bolt is concerned.... He is simply injured but I do think he will bounce back with a month to go. I don't think there will be a WR but I think chances are he'll more than likely defend his gold medal.
Bolt injured?? Where did you here that from? OH that's right you just made it up cos he lost.
I reported Bolt's injury on Friday night. Glenn Mills confirmed it in a video interview with The Gleaner. Believe it, or not, matters not to me, but I reported the truth as I knew it.
beebee wrote:The USA trials in the cool rain of Oregon and tremendous depth in every sprint event was far superior.
Jeter will beat SAFP again just like at last year's Championships and since 2009.
Or SAFP will beat her like she did in 2009 and in their most recent encounter in 2012.
Tremendous holes in your rationale.
Carmelita Jeter has been the world's fastest women since 2009 and is the defending World womens 100 Champion from last year in a race where SAFP COULDN'T EVEN MEDAL! If Jeter was in SAFP 10.70 she would have run 10.65.
Like she ran 10.85 in New York when SAFP ran 10.92 and she ran what again? 11.05? Or maybe I just imagined it... Oh well... We will see I guess... Good luck to Jeter and good luck to SAFP as well.
My point is that Jeter is the favorite, no matter what you jaded Jamaicans think. To suggest that SAFP is a dominant favorite based on a couple of races(of your choosing of course) is disingenuous at best.
beebee wrote:My point is that Jeter is the favorite, no matter what you jaded Jamaicans think. To suggest that SAFP is a dominant favorite based on a couple of races(of your choosing of course) is disingenuous at best.
Not even Mr. Bolt is a prohibited favorite.
Ok... Jeter is the favorite then... So I guess if SAFP beats her in London that means that Jeter is a choker Good stuff... I'm willing to concede Jeter is the favorite even if she isn't, less pressure for SAFP to perform
Both 100 meter, 200 meter and 400 meter races will be very close as will 400 meter hurdles, all events Jamaica can win medals in. There are no surefire locks at the Olympic games, although Sally Pearson comes very close (a slip up from her like what happened in Zurich in the Diamond League last year could dramatically change the 100 meter hurdles).
Jeter is a favorite, but not a heavy favorite. It's going to be close.
Deluxe wrote: Shelly will dominate the BBC promotions, with Jamaica being a commonwealth nation.
Not necessarily....
I live in London, and the BBC are only really interested in their own athletes. The only reason Bolt vs Blake gets a mention is because of who Bolt is.
Just wondering if Bolt's latenight partying is finally catching up with him plus didn't he have an accident about a month ago. This is a guy that suffers from scoliosis, could the impact from that accident played a part in what we are now seeing plus the fact that he may not have been wearing a seatbelt...a las which hardly anyone in Jamaica adheres to...food for thought
Deluxe wrote: Shelly will dominate the BBC promotions, with Jamaica being a commonwealth nation.
Not necessarily....
I live in London, and the BBC are only really interested in their own athletes. The only reason Bolt vs Blake gets a mention is because of who Bolt is.
Believe me, they will push Shelly and Jessica Ennis as well. Shelly already has a pair of endorsement deals lined up with British companies..
Deluxe wrote:I live in London, and the BBC are only really interested in their own athletes. The only reason Bolt vs Blake gets a mention is because of who Bolt is.
Believe me, they will push Shelly and Jessica Ennis as well. Shelly already has a pair of endorsement deals lined up with British companies..[/quote]
Even if that is true, that's utter nonsense that the BBC will "push" her for that reason- the BBC actually has a duty to be entirely impartial with regards to "promoting", it's a very big thing over here
It was clear that at the start of this season VCB had a dilemma; go for the one thing that is missing in her medal cabinet, the Olympic 100m gold, making her the only woman in history to have won world & Olympic golds at 100 & 200, or make a different history & get her third Olympic 200m gold, a feat never done before.
I think that at her age, with the talent that is around who tend to specialise (SAFP, Jeter, Felix..) she had to focus on one event more so, but it seems she is still inbetween events.
Common sense dictates she should have focussed on the 200m; thus far the only other sub 22 rival is Felix, whereas in the 100m there are 3 women with faster PRs; SAFP, Jeter & Stewart.
In some ways I think vanity has meant she thinks she can win that 100m gold, but she just doesnt have the start or sparkling first 30m that she needs. She was closing down SAFP at the Jamaican trials in the 100m, but she just gave too much away at the start. As for the 200m, I've not seen the race yet, but if she did slightly give up, then maybe she could have gained another 10th or so. A 22.2 at this stage of the season is fine, it shows she can get down to 22.0 come London, but the problem is 22.0 wont get her gold. She needed 22.0 or better here, to show she can get down to her very best, which she will need to be to battle Felix.
I fear that, unless she can hit her start, she will come away with 2 silvers at best. Still a great achievement, but she is capable of so much more.
Gabriella wrote:It was clear that at the start of this season VCB had a dilemma; go for the one thing that is missing in her medal cabinet, the Olympic 100m gold, making her the only woman in history to have won world & Olympic golds at 100 & 200, or make a different history & get her third Olympic 200m gold, a feat never done before.
I think that at her age, with the talent that is around who tend to specialise (SAFP, Jeter, Felix..) she had to focus on one event more so, but it seems she is still inbetween events.
Common sense dictates she should have focussed on the 200m; thus far the only other sub 22 rival is Felix, whereas in the 100m there are 3 women with faster PRs; SAFP, Jeter & Stewart.
In some ways I think vanity has meant she thinks she can win that 100m gold, but she just doesnt have the start or sparkling first 30m that she needs. She was closing down SAFP at the Jamaican trials in the 100m, but she just gave too much away at the start. As for the 200m, I've not seen the race yet, but if she did slightly give up, then maybe she could have gained another 10th or so. A 22.2 at this stage of the season is fine, it shows she can get down to 22.0 come London, but the problem is 22.0 wont get her gold. She needed 22.0 or better here, to show she can get down to her very best, which she will need to be to battle Felix.
I fear that, unless she can hit her start, she will come away with 2 silvers at best. Still a great achievement, but she is capable of so much more.
*claps* I totally agree.... Its either one even or the other for major championships. Doubles are rare but can be done.
Gabriella wrote:It was clear that at the start of this season VCB had a dilemma; go for the one thing that is missing in her medal cabinet, the Olympic 100m gold, making her the only woman in history to have won world & Olympic golds at 100 & 200, or make a different history & get her third Olympic 200m gold, a feat never done before.
I think that at her age, with the talent that is around who tend to specialise (SAFP, Jeter, Felix..) she had to focus on one event more so, but it seems she is still inbetween events.
Common sense dictates she should have focussed on the 200m; thus far the only other sub 22 rival is Felix, whereas in the 100m there are 3 women with faster PRs; SAFP, Jeter & Stewart.
In some ways I think vanity has meant she thinks she can win that 100m gold, but she just doesnt have the start or sparkling first 30m that she needs. She was closing down SAFP at the Jamaican trials in the 100m, but she just gave too much away at the start. As for the 200m, I've not seen the race yet, but if she did slightly give up, then maybe she could have gained another 10th or so. A 22.2 at this stage of the season is fine, it shows she can get down to 22.0 come London, but the problem is 22.0 wont get her gold. She needed 22.0 or better here, to show she can get down to her very best, which she will need to be to battle Felix.
I fear that, unless she can hit her start, she will come away with 2 silvers at best. Still a great achievement, but she is capable of so much more.
Is it me or do I think she is Focussing more on the 100m .I mean I think that is the one she wants most but she still feels like she is Obligated to run the 200m .But if all things being equal Veronica will get 2 medals in London in the 100m & the 200m honestly i dont know what they will be .Has she come out and said she has any problems ? My problem is her start i mean it is so bad really bad
VCB's start, bend and overall technique looked solid but didn't have anything in the straight, SAFP continues to look very strong.
My fear is that with 4 weeks to go, is there the time for VCB to get her final 50m any stronger? I assume that special endurance work would be done in the off/early season?
10.82 is fast enough to beat Felix, its just if her 100m rounds take it out of her early in the programme and she doesn't have the strength to hold onto her lead off the bend.
Speedster wrote:VCB's start, bend and overall technique looked solid but didn't have anything in the straight, SAFP continues to look very strong.
My fear is that with 4 weeks to go, is there the time for VCB to get her final 50m any stronger? I assume that special endurance work would be done in the off/early season?
10.82 is fast enough to beat Felix, its just if her 100m rounds take it out of her early in the programme and she doesn't have the strength to hold onto her lead off the bend.
Sherone did it so I am thinking VCB can as well (hopefully). Sherone's been starting well and fading HORRIBLY all season but somehow was able to find some serious top end yesterday and Friday.
I am guessing it was just a very stressful weekend and VCB's aim (from her comments) seem to be just to make the team in both events. Hopefully she has something special planned within the next 4 weeks.
I heard one of the commentators mention on sportsmax that Veronica and shelly don't really get along anyone know why . Has it got anything to do with 2008?
What ever it is needs to be fixed before London because we want that world record . I mean egos have to be pushed aside to get the best out of the team meaning sherone will run a straight since she is not good at curves and Veronica should run a curve .
That womens 200 meter final was just strange. Shelly actually seemed to have more endurance than Veronica in the straight(they came off the curve evenly). It wasn't even like Shelly had a sizeable lead coming off the curve and in the last 20 meters it looked like she was even pulling away.
On another note we are finally seeing the results of Sherone's 400 training. She had such superb closing in the last 50 meters of that race(as well as in the 100 meter). She should def look into competing in the 400 as well as the 200 next year. Jamaica is just too brutal and will continue to keep spitting out young top class 100 meter runners but she could take her speed to the 400 and just work on some speed/special endurance and we will have a sub 50 runner easily. Anyone who can run 51.25/51.42(in Jan) just from fall training alone could do alot of damage after speedwork is added. This olympics I wouldn't rule her out as a medalists either.
jamal00005 wrote:I heard one of the commentators mention on sportsmax that Veronica and shelly don't really get along anyone know why . Has it got anything to do with 2008?
What ever it is needs to be fixed before London because we want that world record . I mean egos have to be pushed aside to get the best out of the team meaning sherone will run a straight since she is not good at curves and Veronica should run a curve .
Yes. Veronica tried to have Shelly removed from the '08 Olympic 100m and replaced with herself.
Good stuff... I'm willing to concede Jeter is the favorite even if she isn't, less pressure for SAFP to perform 