TrackTeacher_AP wrote:World lead?? I thought Xiang has ran faster this year?
He did at Pre 12.87 +2.4 wind aided. His best legal this year was Shanghai-12.97
Sorry, just checked Iaaf after posting! I am saddened that DO did not make it as he was one of the "poster boys" for the usa t&f uniforms and all that jazz.. but I think this is a very strong team nonetheless!
basehead617 wrote:Did Jeff Porter used to run at club events in the Boston area around 1999-2000? I think I remember him dominating 60m hurdles indoors when I went to some meets at Harvard back when I was on the GBTC. He might have been in high school?
You might be thinking of Jeff York. He ran the highs for Albany in the early '90s, and qualified for US championships a couple of times later on in the decade. I remember seeing him race at BU in the late 90s.
Marlow wrote:Oliver ran a clean race (for once?) and looked well in control. Hard to tell with the varying winds, but I gotta think it's Oliver Merritt Richardson
The king is dead. Long live the king! True, Oliver didn't run like his old self, but Merritt and Richardson earned these top spots with SUPERB hurdling!!!! I see a whole new generation of USA high hurdlers with this high-sweeping lead-arm action - nothing at all like the HH heroes that came before. I have no idea if it's bio-mechanically efficient (certainly does NOT seem so), but it sure seems to work and both of them have perfected it! A sorry as I am to see DO 'go', these two guys are hyper-exciting, and while they may not yet be on a par with Liu, they're both REAL threats to do major damage at the Games!!
Diving? Some of us recall Lee Calhoun's famous horizontal finishes to edge out USC's Jack Davis in Melbourne, and possibly (no Pic nor recall available) in Rome, also by 0.01 seconds, this time against Willie Davis. Acc. to Wikipedia, Lee learned this "maneuver" from Jack.
While Calhoun tied Davis's WR of 13.5 on the reportedly soft Melbourne track--which made Bob Hayes's time all the more astounding--it remained for none other than Milt Campbell to finally hit 13.4, in Compton, CA (home of Charley Dumas). I witnessed that race, and was even more pleased to see the other Jersey hurdler, Elias Gilbert of Linden HS and Winston Salem (under Hurdles Bible author, Coach Wilbur Ross), tie the long-standing 13.5 record. [A convincing case can be made for (shorter distance) records measured in 10ths to stand longer, starting w/ 10.2 in 100m
As an impertinent aside, I gotta toss in this little bit of grammatical pedantry: TafNuts, of all people should be able to conjugate the verb, to run, right? Well here's one more example of what so many sportscasters and athletes seem to trip up on: "I thought Xiang has ran faster this year?" (from above). Run, ran, has run...will run, will have run ad nauseum
In hopes that GH will cut me some slack here, allow me to toss in a favorite anecdote on an even tougher version: to swim. I was seated in Sanborn's in Mexico City when a young Mexicana joined her Gringo boyfriend after her English class at the nearby US Embassy. She'd just learned that very conjugation and wanted to sort it out. When she gets to "swum" her hapless boyfriend assures her, "There's no such word."
Don't even get me started on the likes of "for my wife and I". Maybe it helps to know Spanish, as it's a form they never get wrong, after about age 3, but I learned it in 4th Grade, in what we used to call Grammar School: "separate them out", as you'd never say "for I" (just 4 Eyes;~)
basehead617 wrote:So is the 110h WR the record most in danger in London?
110h 100h w400h
Decathlon again ? Rudisha is capable of breaking his record, but probably won't try and will go for a safe win. Then try for a record after the Games. m4x100 is a distinct possibility.
Jackaloupe wrote:Diving? Some of us recall Lee Calhoun's famous horizontal finishes to edge out USC's Jack Davis in Melbourne, and possibly (no Pic nor recall available) in Rome, also by 0.01 seconds, this time against Willie Davis. Acc. to Wikipedia, Lee learned this "maneuver" from Jack.
While Calhoun tied Davis's WR of 13.5 on the reportedly soft Melbourne track--which made Bob Hayes's time all the more astounding--it remained for none other than Milt Campbell to finally hit 13.4, in Compton, CA (home of Charley Dumas). I witnessed that race, and was even more pleased to see the other Jersey hurdler, Elias Gilbert of Linden HS and Winston Salem (under Hurdles Bible author, Coach Wilbur Ross), tie the long-standing 13.5 record. [A convincing case can be made for (shorter distance) records measured in 10ths to stand longer, starting w/ 10.2 in 100m
a) Jack Davis had set a world record of 13.4 in the 110mHH in a heat at the AAU in Bakersfield June, 22, 1956
b) He got another world record in 13.3 at the 120 yards HH in Bendigo,Australia November,19,1956 with Lee Calhoun second in 13.5
c) in Melbourne Calhoun won the gold with Davis second both in 13.5 with a wind of 1.9 m/sec against the runners (the third, Shankle was timed in 14.1!!)
d) Milt Campbell and Elias Gilbert ran 13.4 in 120yards Hurdles at Compton May,31, 1957 Lee Calhoun was third in the race in 13.5: there had been some controversy with the windreading in Bendigo, so I don't think Jack Davis' record of 13.3 was recognized by that time
Jackaloupe wrote:Diving? Some of us recall Lee Calhoun's famous horizontal finishes to edge out USC's Jack Davis in Melbourne, and possibly (no Pic nor recall available) in Rome, also by 0.01 seconds, this time against Willie Davis. Acc. to Wikipedia, Lee learned this "maneuver" from Jack.
While Calhoun tied Davis's WR of 13.5 on the reportedly soft Melbourne track--which made Bob Hayes's time all the more astounding--it remained for none other than Milt Campbell to finally hit 13.4, in Compton, CA (home of Charley Dumas). I witnessed that race, and was even more pleased to see the other Jersey hurdler, Elias Gilbert of Linden HS and Winston Salem (under Hurdles Bible author, Coach Wilbur Ross), tie the long-standing 13.5 record. [A convincing case can be made for (shorter distance) records measured in 10ths to stand longer, starting w/ 10.2 in 100m
a) Jack Davis had set a world record of 13.4 in the 110mHH in a heat at the AAU in Bakersfield June, 22, 1956
b) He got another world record in 13.3 at the 120 yards HH in Bendigo,Australia November,19,1956 with Lee Calhoun second in 13.5
c) in Melbourne Calhoun won the gold with Davis second both in 13.5 with a wind of 1.9 m/sec against the runners (the third, Shankle was timed in 14.1!!)
d) Milt Campbell and Elias Gilbert ran 13.4 in 120yards Hurdles at Compton May,31, 1957 Lee Calhoun was third in the race in 13.5: there had been some controversy with the windreading in Bendigo, so I don't think Jack Davis' record of 13.3 was recognized by that time
e) Bob Hayes of course ran in Rome, not Melbourne. The 1956 Melbourne 100 was run into a nippy 5mps wind ... viewtopic.php?p=472687
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paw: "Milt Campbell and Elias Gilbert ran 13.4 in 120yards Hurdles at Compton May,31, 1957 Lee Calhoun was third in the race in 13.5"
Thanks so much for setting the "record" straight--and then some. I was obviously going on memory alone. Was Davis's 13.4 ratified? My impression came direct from Milt and Elias, viz. "the record". Elias went on to philosophize, that time comes when "you just gotta let it out".
Wish current day athletes would dig deeper like that, rather than the usual pap about their goal being to represent their country. Yeah, right... Or worse, feeling obliged to give the Lord some AirTime, at the same time telling the world how pious they are.
user:"Bob Hayes of course ran in Rome, not Melbourne. And Melbourne 100 was run into a 5mps wind.." Eek! Even memory has that one better: It was Bobby Morrow, whom I was fortunate to line up with at Fresno Relays 100yds., even got out even, then learned what real acceleration looked and felt like--from well behind.
Never knew about that wind in Melbourne.. What stands out most of all, after Milt's Decathlon--with super fast 110m and 110 m HH--was Herb McKenley's sub-45 Relay leg.
basehead617 wrote:Did Jeff Porter used to run at club events in the Boston area around 1999-2000? I think I remember him dominating 60m hurdles indoors when I went to some meets at Harvard back when I was on the GBTC. He might have been in high school?
You might be thinking of Jeff York. He ran the highs for Albany in the early '90s, and qualified for US championships a couple of times later on in the decade. I remember seeing him race at BU in the late 90s.
York! Not Porter, thanks. Damn my memory. Looks like York ran a 13.47 110h at the US championships in 2001 but otherwise just local results. He was 30 at that point too, so I was way off.
eroszag wrote:>NO way he is under 180...like Jesse williams...his bio on usatf says he is 155...he teewtwd he is 181...those throws still remain pretty good..
Yeah I was just going by his bio wt. of 158 but 181 seems to be a stretch too. He does not seem that big but then again he is 6'1". Those throws are definitely impressive.
Never knew about that wind in Melbourne.. What stands out most of all, after Milt's Decathlon--with super fast 110m and 110 m HH--was Herb McKenley's sub-45 Relay leg.
Yeah, and how about Mel Patton in Rome? I mean are you toying with us now? There are all kinds of places you can look these things up if it's not clear in your mind.