¶2012OT w10,000—Amy Hastings 31:58.36

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1. Shalane Flanagan ¶ (Nike) 1
2. Amy Hastings ¶ (Brooks) (5)
3. Lisa Uhl ¶ (Nike) (2)
4. Janet Cherobon-Bawcom ¶ (Atlanta TC) nr
5. Magdalena Lewy Boulet * (Saucony) 6
6. Katie McGregor (Reebok) (8)
7. Alisha Williams * (adidas Boulder) nr
8. Natosha Rogers (Texas A&M) nr
9. Deborah Maier (Cal) nr
10. Meaghan Nelson (Iowa State) nr

[TN1965]

Magdalena Lewy Boulet has been scatched from the start list.

This leaves four women with A standard, including Flanagan.

[aaronk]

Uh, maybe a stupid question, but.....
why is Shalane running the 10K if she has NO intention of running it in London??
She's just blocking one of the "pending" gals from getting to participate!!

[doug5321]

if she wins and decides not to run the 10000 in the olympics, the next 3 get to run in the olympics if they have the A standard.

interesting she said in an article her main goal for this race is to help her friend/training partner lisa koll-uhl make the team. so if the race is slower than 31:45 koll-uhl will make it.

so dont look for her to go out in sub 31:30 pace.

[mcgato]

Uh, maybe a stupid question, but.....
why is Shalane running the 10K if she has NO intention of running it in London??
She's just blocking one of the "pending" gals from getting to participate!!

Just a random guess, maybe she is in heavy marathon training and wants a race to see where she is. It is close to home, so easy logistically. She also has training partners in the race, so maybe a bit of support there. I'm guessing that she has a time in mind and will churn out that pace. It won't be going for a record, but seeing how that pace felt. I expect her to win and she probably won't be breathing hard after it.

[HopStepJump]

Just a random guess, maybe she is in heavy marathon training and wants a race to see where she is. It is close to home, so easy logistically. She also has training partners in the race, so maybe a bit of support there. I'm guessing that she has a time in mind and will churn out that pace. It won't be going for a record, but seeing how that pace felt. I expect her to win and she probably won't be breathing hard after it.

I imagine she'll run a very consistent race since tactics don't enter into it for her. It will be interesting to see if she drags some others along to achieve the"A" standard. Hopefully, the rain is done by race time.

[odelltrclan]

Uhl looks to me to be running with a limp. Probably won't do well. Flanagan starting to take charge.

[tm71]

They mentioned that Flanagan run a 2:50
Marathon practice run less than a week ago so
If she wins that dog tired that says a lot about the depth (or lack there of ) of this field !
Btw no way anyone makes A std today so it will be Hastings, uhl
And bawcom on the team assuming that Flanagan will run the marathon in London

[lovetorun]

Uhl looks to me to be running with a limp. Probably won't do well. Flanagan starting to take charge.

Reason for the "limp" was revealed in post race interview...had one shoe come untied!

[odelltrclan]

Uhl looks to me to be running with a limp. Probably won't do well. Flanagan starting to take charge.

Reason for the "limp" was revealed in post race interview...had one shoe come untied!

Glad she recovered and made the team, albeit back door. Was rooting for her. Very impressed with tenacity of Rogers. Be fun to watch her in the future. It was great to see the joy in Hastings face. Great to see redemption for both 4th placers at marathon OT's.

[j-a-m]

Very impressed with tenacity of Rogers. Be fun to watch her in the future.

Yeah, another huge PB for Rogers.

[TrackCEO]

Here's my story on that mystery woman from Cal who controlled more than half the race and had a 30-meter lead at points:
http://patch.com/A-v22R

Ignore the publish date. It's a work-around.

K E N

[Bruce Kritzler]

I wish Maier had some help out front. Couldn't believe there was a pack of 20 going through 5k in 16:15, and letting the standard slip away.
Will it be the same in the 1500's?

[clw04]

She ended up tripping the one woman that probably would have gone with her in Rogers.

[unclezadok]

I wonder if Rogers could have gotten the A standard if she had realized going into the race how good she is.

[TrackCEO]

Here's the story of that mystery runner who led much of the race:

http://berkeley.patch.com/articles/berk ... trials-10k

K E N

[aaronk]

I wonder if Rogers could have gotten the A standard if she had realized going into the race how good she is.

Amazing story!
Found an article about the race that said her 5K PR before 2012 was just 16:25, with no 10K's!!
Then, in just her 3rd 10K, she runs 32:41 to win the NCAA!!
And now goes 42 seconds faster just 2 weeks later!!
After falling!!
Her average 5K yesterday was 15:59+!! (With a 16:25 PR just a few months earlier!!)

[DecFan]

I wonder if Rogers could have gotten the A standard if she had realized going into the race how good she is.

There were at least five women in the race without the A-standard who had a realistic chance of achieving it last night: Williams, Maier, McKaig, Rogers, and Nelson. Probably others I've missed. They really should have cooperated a la Rupp/Puskedra/Ritzenheim, making sure the 5k was passed at 16 or faster, agreeing on who would lead through, say 6800m - then every woman for herself.

[Bruce Kritzler]

Probably Rogers first 10k run at under 80' temp.

[Conor Dary]

Was pretty weird. I suppose most of the women, these days, just aren't use to running fast by themselves. They need a crowd in front of them.

[lovetorun]

Yes, Rogers was amazing...I believe if she hadn't taken the fall and the earlier pace had been faster, she could have run under the 31:45 A...looking forward to watching her in the future...she's talented and very mentally tough.

[Conor Dary]

Yea, but all for naught. Ideal conditions, and yet none of the Non-As seemed to have got together and plan to share the pace from the beginning.

[gh]

Hastings' shorts started to split down the back during the race (pervs: don't bother looking at tape trying to find it)

[aaronk]

Hastings' shorts started to split down the back during the race (pervs: don't bother looking at tape trying to find it)

Awwww.......you take all the fun out of life!!!

[Conor Dary]

Hastings' shorts started to split down the back during the race (pervs: don't bother looking at tape trying to find it)

Well, that explains why she picked up the pace when it was not in her, at the time, obvious interest to do so.

[lovetorun]

Yea, but all for naught. Ideal conditions, and yet none of the Non-As seemed to have got together and plan to share the pace from the beginning.

All for naught in this one race, but she's shown herself to be an exciting talent for the future! But, I agree there should have been a collective plan re: pace so (like Tim Hutchings said in his live commentary) they could have come by 5,000m under 16:00...

BTW...love Tim Hutchings...no one better in calling the distance races.

[Marquis]

One of the interesting things about this race came out in Uhl's interviews afterwards in which she said matter of factly that she asked for Shalane's advice about the shoe. Flanagan went to the front to slow the pace of the race so that she wouldn't lose as much ground in making her equipment repair. I'm not sure that is something that I want to see in a race where several people like Rogers and Maier needed to make the A standard. I am OK with someone running faster to help a teammate, but not so much in favor of slowing down a race to help one runner. Running a fast pace can help people in addition to the teammate make a standard while running slower impacts multiple people in a negative manner. In this case when Maier reacted to the slowed pace by moving to the front to speed it up, she tripped Rogers who was in a bunched up pack itself caused by the slowed pace. And Rogers may have been the only runner who would have gone with her.

[Conor Dary]

One of the interesting things about this race came out in Uhl's interviews afterwards in which she said matter of factly that she asked for Shalane's advice about the shoe. Flanagan went to the front to slow the pace of the race so that she wouldn't lose as much ground in making her equipment repair. I'm not sure that is something that I want to see in a race where several people like Rogers and Maier needed to make the A standard.

Is that what happened? That is not good at all. It is one thing to not help with the pace, but another to deliberately slow it down, when you yourself have no stake in the outcome of the race.

[Dutra5]

One of the interesting things about this race came out in Uhl's interviews afterwards in which she said matter of factly that she asked for Shalane's advice about the shoe. Flanagan went to the front to slow the pace of the race so that she wouldn't lose as much ground in making her equipment repair. I'm not sure that is something that I want to see in a race where several people like Rogers and Maier needed to make the A standard.

Is that what happened? That is not good at all. It is one thing to not help with the pace, but another to deliberately slow it down, when you yourself have no stake in the outcome of the race.

There's no requirement that any of the other runners run behind Flanagan. I also think that Flanagan had a stake in the race since she appeared to be attempting to win at the end.

[Conor Dary]

There's no requirement that any of the other runners run behind Flanagan. I also think that Flanagan had a stake in the race since she appeared to be attempting to win at the end.

I realize that. As for winning, who cares, if you already don't want a spot. I just don't think it reflects well on Flanagan.

[TN1965]

I'm sure Flanagan's Nike contract has an incentive clause for a bonus for winning a US title.
So there was something at stake for sure. Lagat ran 1500m last year, even though he had no intention to compete in the World Championships. Is there any difference? There was even complaint by Leer (who finished 5th) about how Lagat slowed down the pace.

To her credit, Rogers didn't complain at all, either about Flanagan, or anything else. And it does not reflect negatively on Flanagan at all. Uhl looked really bad, both for having been unprepared, and needing assistance from her teammate. But that's another matter.

[Dutra5]

There's no requirement that any of the other runners run behind Flanagan. I also think that Flanagan had a stake in the race since she appeared to be attempting to win at the end.

I realize that. As for winning, who cares, if you already don't want a spot. I just don't think it reflects well on Flanagan.

Then you don' realize that.

If those who didn't qualify wanted to qualify they should have done what was necessary.

[Master Po]

Setting aside for a moment other thoughts on the matter, I would be very interested to see lap splits -- just curious to see how slow the lap(s) in question might have been, relative to the remainder of the race.

[Conor Dary]

Setting aside for a moment other thoughts on the matter, I would be very interested to see lap splits -- just curious to see how slow the lap(s) in question might have been, relative to the remainder of the race.

Yes, I agree with that. It may be all about nothing.

[Conor Dary]

There's no requirement that any of the other runners run behind Flanagan. I also think that Flanagan had a stake in the race since she appeared to be attempting to win at the end.

I realize that. As for winning, who cares, if you already don't want a spot. I just don't think it reflects well on Flanagan.

Then you don' realize that.

If those who didn't qualify wanted to qualify they should have done what was necessary.

Look, it was pretty obvious that the non-As made no plans to get together to get the standard. So the last thing they needed was an experienced runner like Flanagan to slow things down, especially since her presence was irrelevant. Who cares who wins the race in the Trials? The whole point is to make the team, and if you already don't want a spot, just stay out of the way.

But again, we don't know how true this all is or how much it affected the race. So why don't we leave it at that?