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UK's Moscow medal hopes • [Eriksson's out, who's in?]Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders
Are these torrents of SBs we may expect in Geneva or good old Chaux de Fonds ?
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I don't know about Geneva, they still haven't posted results, but there were some good british results in Regensburg. Onuora with SBs over 100m and 200 (11.31 and 22.93), Bolarinwa, like Gemili also just 18 years old, with a PB of 20.69 over 200m. And Christian Malcolm ran 20.46s .
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Just found the results from Geneva, UK is going to have a very good 4x400 in London: Conrad 45.08, Lennon-Ford 45.23, Tobin 45.47, Buck 45.61, Persent 45.77 . Lawrence Clarke 13.33 over 110m h.
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Who should be added or deleted from the list... what are the UK's prospects in London?
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I'm surprised Grabarz isn't on that list.
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The list of medal contenders, 18 in number, contains names which cannot be regarded by any stretch of the imagination, even for the super optimists UK forum as medal contenders:
Many will not necessarily be on the team and/or have not achieved the standards required. For me no one on the upper list of 18 athletes is a medal contender based on objective evidence such as performance this year. The lower list contains genuine contenders such as Farah, Idowu, D. Greene, Porter, Ennis, Rutherford,. I would add Grabarz and Okoye as a surprise. Aldama is a long shot for the list.
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TBO
a female middle distance runner mo x2 Tiffany Porter Dai Green Greg Rutherford Shara Proctor Yamile Aldmama Phillips Idowu Holly Bleasdale Robi Grabbatz Lawrence Okeye Goldie Sayers Jess Ennis there is a chance (of differing levels) in all 4 relays
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Abigail Irozuru just tweeted she jumped 6.80m today.
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Her best this year was so much less than 6.80 I regard her jump as fascinating, but not convincing
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This ^ the fact this it happened in Bulgaria doesn't help it's credibility
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Forget the doomsayers. GB athletes can win 16 medals at Games, says stats man
"Things are starting to look so good that I am really beginning to get scared – that I have severely underestimated our possible medal haul: 10 medals and a possible five to six more," Stan's 10 from 13 1 Mo Farah 5,000m 2 Mo Farah 10,000m 3 Dai Greene 400m hurdles 4 Jack Green 400m hurdles 5 Phillips Idowu triple jump 6 Lawrence Okoye discus 7 Men's 4x400m relay 8 Christine Ohuruogu 400m 9 Tiffany Porter 100m hurdles 10 Holly Bleasdale pole vault 11 Yamile Aldama triple jump 12 Jessica Ennis heptathlon 13 Women's 4 x 400m relay
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I'm sorry but anyone who has Jack Green as one of his contenders for Olympic medals loses any and all credibility. On what basis (other than being British) can he be considered a medal chance? He's only once in his life run under 48 seconds. I'm not so convinced that Dai Greene will make the final in a three-semi format; that's tougher than a lot of you seem to think. Remember Jenny Meadows last year anyone?
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I would say that the esteemed Stan Greenberg has had a touch of the sun, but we havent seen any for rather a long time in England.
His article and list is rubbish, in my opinion and has no stat validity to justify it ; just pplain boasting. Stan has forgotten there are other world class athletes everywhere with more experience and the idea that our athletes will benefit mightily from \ home games I consider overrated Truly, OG hype is here. Jack Green is a crazy choice, as is Bleasdale, struggling to do 4.50 all season. Our 4x400m womens relay have one athlete currently at sub 51, a lousy relay runner, CO and PSD in low 51s nowhere near enough; trouble is you need 4 runners of quality which the USA,Jamaica and Russia will likely have. Okoye is an unkniown in a way but is still inexperienced and I expect a final place and no better.
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These are medal 'chances' not expected medals. Apart from Jack Greene all of the above have a 'chance' of a medal.
To dismiss someone who has jumped 4.87 because she is taking some time to get used to her new poles is plain stupid
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You really don't, look at the mens 4x4 in Daegu last year. South Africa won silver without a single 44 runner, one of them never even broke 46. Belgium never had 4 runners of quality but thanks to the Borlees won medals and championships in the last few years.
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I quite like a bit of semantics, but perhaps I can learn the signicant difference between a medal "chance" and a medal not "expected"
On what grounds should anybody give very promising 20 y.o.Jack Green, with a best of low 49 this year, so far, and very early in his career, even the thought of remotely medalling; he only has experienced guys like Dai G, Culson, a couple of top Americans, Sanchez, Van Zyl etc. to compete with. We have no chance , in my opinion , of a 4x400m womens Relay medal, despite last years stats about SA. Last year our women were a distant fourth in 3.23.63 with 3 sub 51 performances from Sanders, McConnell etc; we were 4 seconds behind the Russians who had 2 sub 50 runners; the details from last year make it very, very unlikely that some 4 seconds improvement will come about but our women need, at this stage a massive improvement. The British record of 2007, 3.20.04 , when we had two performers in outstanding form, Sanders and CO, plus McConnell who this year seems not to have done much, was still not fast enough to equal the time of the third placed Russians last year in 3.19 and bits. Chance acc to my dictionary suggests "chance" in this context as an opportunity, possibility, not a reasonable expectation. I reckon if Green stays fit he is a serious guy to watch for 2015 WC or Rio 2016.
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Given the multitude of variables in this sport, a more likely outcome in my mind is included between the [brackets]
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Of course home support helps and in team events like the relay it can make a big difference:
2009 Berlin German women won 4x100 gold. 2008 Beijing Chinese mens 4x100 made the final; women's 4x100 4th in SF narrowly missed final 2007 Osaka Japanese mens 4x100 came 5th in the F with a NR (after a NR in the SF too) 2005 Helsinki Finnish men 4x100 set a NR in the SF 2004 Athens Greek women made the 4x400 final (knocking out Germany) 2003 Paris French men won the 4x400 and women won the 4x100 etc etc etc. As the GBR 4x400 team have medalled before or been thereabouts, there's every reason to believe that on the day, the home crowd support will lift them to get that extra bit out of their performance. As for the 4x100 teams, this relies more on practice, but again it's not unreasonable to see them as outside chances As an aside, Tiffany Porter and Jess Ennis have both been pencilled in as 'possibles' in the 4x1.
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They did? I think even the Germans don't know about that one, someone ought to tell them 
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A rare degree of consensus for this Board seems to have been achieved: Jack Green has no chance of a medal. Except he has always been top of my list of potential surprises. 400mH is an event where big improvements can be made in a short space of time - when a stride pattern 'clicks' or when an athlete sorts out issues with the pacing of his races. Green looked ready to go low 48s last season and with more flat speed I'm expecting him to be sub 48 this year. I also think that he'll be British #1 next year, if not this.
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I think it is safe to say that anyone who is ranked 4th has a medal chance 
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i think you need to re read my post there is an obvious difference between a medal chance and those that are 'expected' !!  I think we have maybe 5 expected medals Jess Mo x 2 Phillips Dai and medal chances (some of them good) Tiffany Relays TBO Yamile Holly Lawrence Robi Shara
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that's just stupid Mo is a medal favourite in both events 400H the world champions is a 'possible finalist' !! USA is the only country with as many 400m athletes ranked as us Tiffany is WI silver medallist, World 4th placer and ranked 6th in the world and you say 'possible' finalist !! w4x4 isn't a medal favourite but has to be in with a chance
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Wow talk about glass half empty, at your rate nobody at all is going to get a medal !!
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Can't understand people writing off the 4x400.
Have you looked at the current world rankings Athleticsimaging? The aggregate times of our 4 best is 3:00.34. The aggregate time for Bahamas is 3:00.83. Allowing for rolling starts on 3 legs (worth approx 0.7 secs) we should be able to put out a team running low 2:58s NOW. Give them 6 more weeks to peak and add in Green and / or Greene, then add the crowd factor and we should realistically hope to run in the 3:57s. It'll be close of course with Bahamas but we are, viewed objectively, joint second favourites. You think Cuba will challenge that? Their national record is 2:59.13.
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I agree with this list - it's what anyone outside the Uk woudl view objectively as realistic. I think we can add Hannah England as a Daegu medalist (although I personally don't think lightening will strike twice) and Greg Rutherford as someone in the current world top 3. On purely subjective grounds, as mentioned before, I also have a sneaking feeling for Jack Greene. I also think one day Chris Tomlinson will get a rush of blood to the head and jump 8.50. He won't know how he's done it and will never do it again but if it happens on 'the day' then who knows .. .. .. .. My other 'gut feel' is Perry S-D. She's the sort who will go from running high 54s to low 53s overnight. I also suspect she'll also be the most hyped up athlete on the planet in August (East End girl running in Hackney).
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Greg is certainly a medall possibility forgot him. I agree about Perri but that is a purely personal opinion with no evidence at all 
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Perri is just one of those athletes you can FEEL the breakthrough coming. Believe me, sometimes that's happened with other athletes and it's never ever come, but here's hoping...
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PSD's problem appears to be not having a set stride pattern. She's as fast as any of the top 400m hurdlers on the flat, it's all down to her technique and stride pattern. You need a clean run and I dont think she's had that yet. I really hope she can get it in London as the womens 400h is not on fire this year and there a number of women that can medal if they raise their game.
Look at Tasha Danvers who, while obviously fast in 2008, was not as fast as PSD is, yet she got her PB down to 53.54 in the final for bronze. That was down to taking every hurdle as good as she could.
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Nothing like the usual OTT about our athletes chances, before a WC/OG.
 On what convincing grounds this year so far can one state that CO is a medal chance. Where is the justifaction..... 50.69??? who knows what the next weeks will bring, but to tell us that CO is a medal chance... is far fetched, in my opinion, based on this years rankings . But the CO groupies keep telling us that her times are similar to previous years when she won by the narrowest of margins her Goldies. Does not follow that this year will be the same as 4 and 5 years ago. A Jamaican, SRR , Montsho and Krivoshapka to mention 4 athletes or even at a pinch McCorory, have as much or more right to be called "medal chances" than Ohuruogu. Holly Bleasdale will need to improve to 4.70m consistency to be a medal chance, in my opinion, and I see her at her best as a Finalist or top 8.
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Of the big races this year in terms of 400m fields, we've had 5 strong meets: Shanghai, Kingston, Eugene, Ostrava and NY. The results have been:
Shanghai Williams-Mills, Montsho Kingston Williams-Mills, SRR, Ohuruogo, Whyte Eugene SRR, Montsho, Williams-Mills, McCrory Ostrava SRR, Ohuruogu, NY McCrory, Williams-Mills, Whyte, Ohuruogu Only Williams-Mills, SRR and Montsho have shown consistent form over Christine. This is early season for Europeans, but not foe the US and caribbean athletes so you would expect CO to be behind. But she's still beeen very competitive, run faster at this stage in the season then any other year, and is defending champion on home soil. She has to be considered.
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Of course she has to be considered, she is faster at this stage of the year than ever before and is the only athlete mentioned who can be guaranteed to raise her game at the champs.
She has set a seasons best in every champs she has ever taken part in 2009 50.21 Berlin 18/08/2009 2008 49.62 Beijing (National Stadium) 19/08/2008 2007 49.61 Osaka 29/08/2007 2006 50.28 Melbourne 21/03/200 2005 50.73 Erfurt 16/07/2005 (when coming 2nd at Eu23's) 2004 50.50 Athína (Olympic Stadium) 21/08/2004 More than i can say for Krivoshapka who i would suggest is highly unlikely to match her recent 49.40 in London
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"There could be a major casualty:" Andy Turner predicts big name could miss out at Olympic trials
"Dwain Chambers, Mark Lewis-Francis, Nicola Sanders, Jenny Meadows and Lisa Dobriskey are among the big names in real danger of missing out. Andy Turner is far from safe himself. "Selection is not a given this year," admitted the European and Commonwealth gold medalist. "We're going to have to really fight for our spots. There could be a major casualty."
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I know it's unlikely but I would love AK49 to win (if TBO doesn't that is). Purely to buck the trend. Oh, and that article is right I think, Bushop. I have a feeling this is going to be a fairly new team. MLF and Devonish are unlikely to make the relay squad.
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