¶NCAA w4x4—Oregon 3:24.54 (CL, MR)

[26mi235]

[quote="preston"Yes, Spencer won NCAA's with a 50.95 and that's wonderful and I'm excited for her prospects, but I don't really see her beating Richards-Ross, McCrory, Trotter, Hastings, etc. after rounds. [/quote]

At both NCAAs and, especially, Big Tens, she ran very well in rounds. At Big Tens in ~24 hours she ran 200H/F, 400H/F, 4X100F (anchor 2nd), 4X400F (anchor 1st), and all of the finals were within about 3 hours. While she will need to run faster to get through, she ran 23.13/22.99, 51.99/51.02, and probably ran sub-51 as she finished 1.5+ ahead of a gal that ran 11.68 100 and 23.6/23.5 in the 200 after starting out over 0.5 behind. [At NCAAs she ran 51+H/50.95F and 50.18r as well]

The work at the Trials, with only one event and spread over multiple days would not seem to be too hard. Can you elaborate

[jazzcyclist]

splits

4 x 400
FINAL (June 9)
1. Oregon 3:24.54
(CL) (2 C, #2 school)
(**English Gardner 51.1, **Chizoba Okodogbe' 51.4,
**Laura Roesler 51.86, **Phyllis Francis 50.15 [=10 NCAA split]);
2. LSU 3:24.59
(3 C, #3 school)
(*Latoya McDermott' 52.5,
Rebecca Alexander 49.5 [2 NCAA split],
Cassandra Tate 50.90, Jonique Day' 51.67);

Does Rebecca Alexander's split put make her the frontrunner for the Bowerman award?

[KevinM]

Does Rebecca Alexander's split put make her the frontrunner for the Bowerman award?

A split? Is she even the frontrunner for the Bowerman from her own team?

[NCAATrackFan]

Does Rebecca Alexander's split put make her the frontrunner for the Bowerman award?

A split? Is she even the frontrunner for the Bowerman from her own team?

Jazz is being sarcastic because everyone was handing The Bowerman to Jessica Beard last year citing her "collegiate record" relay split as maybe the top reason why she should win it over Kimberlyn Duncan (low-altitude collegiate record in 200m) and Tina Sutej (indoor & outdoor collegiate record in pole vault). While both of these athletes set collegiate records in their individual events, Beard never came close in her event, yet still won The Bowerman anyway.

[guru]

Does Rebecca Alexander's split put make her the frontrunner for the Bowerman award?

A split? Is she even the frontrunner for the Bowerman from her own team?

Jazz is being sarcastic because everyone was handing The Bowerman to Jessica Beard last year citing her "collegiate record" relay split as maybe the top reason why she should win it over Kimberlyn Duncan (low-altitude collegiate record in 200m) and Tina Sutej (indoor & outdoor collegiate record in pole vault). While both of these athletes set collegiate records in their individual events, Beard never came close in her event, yet still won The Bowerman anyway.

Of course, Beard had to run her 4x4 prelim the morning of the 400 final due to weather

[jazzcyclist]

Of course, Beard had to run her 4x4 prelim the morning of the 400 final due to weather

What does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Every athlete would love to have ideal conditions, but we can't be apologists for them when the conditions are less than ideal. Do you think Duncan enjoyed running into that hurricane on Saturday? Furthermore, athletes in the past (eg. Natasha Hastings, Monique Henderson, etc.) had to run three rounds of 400 instead of just two, yet they still ran a full second faster than Beard in the final.

[guru]

Beard still won, which is all that matters. You're the one who said Beard didnt deserve the Bowerman last year because of the time she ran - I'm just providing context.

Incidentally, your Beard comments seem a bit different than the tune you're singing now with Duncan's wind-hindered performances...

[jazzcyclist]

Beard still won, which is all that matters. You're the one who said Beard didnt deserve the Bowerman last year because of the time she ran - I'm just providing context.

Incidentally, your Beard comments seem a bit different than the tune you're singing now with Duncan's wind-hindered performances...

I didn't bring up the headwind to make excuses for Duncan, I only did it to show you weak your "4x4 prelim the morning" comment sounded when trying to defend Beard. Besides, Duncan showed her brilliance on several other occasions during this outdoor season - 22.12w at SEC, 22.21 at East Regional, 22.19 in NCAA semifinal - but Beard ran her fastest time of the entire outdoor season in the NCAA final which you are making excuses for. If Beard had run some fast times prior to NCAA's, I would have viewed her entirely differently.

[guru]

Bottom line - I'm being consistent(I believe Duncan deserves the Bowerman, slow NCAA times or not) - you're not.

[jazzcyclist]

Bottom line - I'm being consistent(I believe Duncan deserves the Bowerman, slow NCAA times or not) - you're not.

Guru, you're all over the map. Now you're saying that Duncan deserved the Bowerman over Beard? If true, I stand corrected, but I could have sworn that you were one of the Duncan haters last year, and you're calling me inconsistent? Come on man, come on. My belief has always been that the entire season should be taken into consideration for the Bowerman, not just NCAA's, and if athletes are gong to be given credit for great 4x400 relay performances, they should also be given credit for great 4x100 relay performances. Why should only one relay count?

[guru]

Bottom line - I'm being consistent(I believe Duncan deserves the Bowerman, slow NCAA times or not) - you're not.

Guru, you're all over the map. Now you're saying that Duncan deserved the Bowerman over Beard?

Unless Beard got a 5th year of eligibility this year and I somehow missed her, no...


As I said - I dont hold Duncan's poor 200 time(due to wind) against her Bowerman chances THIS YEAR, anymore than I did Beard's sub-par(for her, due to relay leg in morning) 400 winning time last year.

It was razor close IMO, but Beard's 2011 NCAA tally vs Duncan was 4-3, and that magical 4x4 relay leg certainly was a fine closing argument. Case closed

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