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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby Marlow » Fri May 18, 2012 8:06 am

pjmorse wrote:
26mi235 wrote:I had never seen the 1000-character limit before.

I haven't seen it before either. I just generated a bunch of lorem ipsum and stuffed it at the bottom of this post and raised the same error. I'll see if I can lift that; 1000 characters is too few.

I just got a post rejected by a 1500-character limit, which was the result of quoting two previous 'context' posts. 1500 characters isn't really that much, especially considering some of the best posts on this board have been much longer.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby gh » Fri May 18, 2012 9:33 am

Learn to quote only relevant material from previous posts.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby Marlow » Fri May 18, 2012 9:50 am

gh wrote:Learn to quote only relevant material from previous posts.

I am actually NOT one of those that just hits 'quote' and adds my thoughts. It IS my MO to cut out irrelevant parts of quotes I'm using for context. (I realize you may not be just talking to me, but I did want to make that clear).
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby Marlow » Fri May 18, 2012 11:36 am

lapsus wrote:Should I worry about "Guru Meditation" error message when posting?

I shoulda known there'd be an interesting back-story here . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Meditation
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby Fortius19 » Fri May 18, 2012 2:51 pm

We need harder questions to get board access. Those are too easy! :lol:
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby pjmorse » Fri May 18, 2012 4:03 pm

Fortius19 wrote:We need harder questions to get board access. Those are too easy! :lol:


I'm more worried about them being rendered incorrect by time.

(More seriously, if people want to suggest new questions, go ahead. The trick is to be easy enough that even a track dilettante would get it, but a typical script kiddie wouldn't. "What implement is used in the discus throw?" would be too easy, but "What implement is used in the shot put?" might, maddeningly, be too hard for some. I won't promise to use anything, but it's an interesting exercise.)
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby Dave » Fri May 18, 2012 4:14 pm

Most script kiddies wouldn't know that a shot, javelin, or discus are implements.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby tandfman » Fri May 18, 2012 4:23 pm

It's amazing how often I see references in newspapers to people "throwing the shot put".
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby LopenUupunut » Sat May 19, 2012 9:58 am

I got something like "the form you submitted was invalid, try again" earlier today when I tried to reply to the Shanghai javelin thread... I did try again and it worked, but I've never seen that error message before.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby pjmorse » Mon May 21, 2012 6:19 am

LopenUupunut wrote:I got something like "the form you submitted was invalid, try again" earlier today when I tried to reply to the Shanghai javelin thread... I did try again and it worked, but I've never seen that error message before.


Noted. In general it is very hard to debug a problem until I can reproduce it, so I won't be able to do anything about this immediately, but thanks for letting us know.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby 26mi235 » Mon May 21, 2012 7:01 am

I have had less trouble the last several days, but still got a "Guru..." followed eventually about a new message before my posting, which was my post. I also find that it does not recognize that I have gone through that thread, listing me as the most recent poster but as a thread with new posts.

That 1500 limit is still there as well.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby EPelle » Tue May 22, 2012 3:43 am

pj, the 'selected forum does not exist' has re-occurred. To the best of my limited knowledge on this, it's occurring when Chrome freezes and the Current Events page refreshes. My preference is to not have to go through the Board index > Current Events > Thread method to drill back to where I was previously engaged/reading. Cheers.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby donley2 » Tue May 22, 2012 4:47 am

I finally escaped having to do a CAPTCHA every single time a login sometime in the last day or two. Hooray!!
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby pjmorse » Tue May 22, 2012 5:35 am

EPelle wrote:pj, the 'selected forum does not exist' has re-occurred. To the best of my limited knowledge on this, it's occurring when Chrome freezes and the Current Events page refreshes.


OK, so what you've got is an URL in your address bar for a specific spot, and Chrome crashes (or locks up, and you force quit). When you restart Chrome, it reopens all the pages/tabs you had open before, but for some reason this page gives you the "Selected forum does not exist" error. So it sounds like some part of that URL is dependent on the state of your browsing session (e.g. maybe a cookie which disappears when you relaunch Chrome) OR part of the URL is being incorrectly set.

My debugging routes would be either to search the phpBB code for the error message (which I'll do) and/or generate a similar URL myself and see what specific conditions create the error and how we can avoid it. It will help a great deal to have an actual URL copy/pasted which generated the error for you, thanks.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby Marlow » Tue May 22, 2012 5:38 am

Just a FYI - the board has been acting up for me more in the past few days than EVER before . . .
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby pjmorse » Tue May 22, 2012 5:39 am

donley2 wrote:I finally escaped having to do a CAPTCHA every single time a login sometime in the last day or two. Hooray!!


Ironically, I think this was fixed not through me figuring out the problem, but a fix for another, less annoying problem which I actually understood. Not that I'm complaining!

phpBB has been around for a while, and is a sprawling, complicated chunk of code which is only probably my tertiary (or lower) area of expertise. What it does, it does well, but sometimes it's not obvious to me which stimuli produces which responses.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby EPelle » Tue May 22, 2012 5:53 am

pjmorse wrote:OK, so what you've got is an URL in your address bar for a specific spot, and Chrome crashes (or locks up, and you force quit). When you restart Chrome, it reopens all the pages/tabs you had open before, but for some reason this page gives you the "Selected forum does not exist" error. So it sounds like some part of that URL is dependent on the state of your browsing session (e.g. maybe a cookie which disappears when you relaunch Chrome) OR part of the URL is being incorrectly set.

My debugging routes would be either to search the phpBB code for the error message (which I'll do) and/or generate a similar URL myself and see what specific conditions create the error and how we can avoid it. It will help a great deal to have an actual URL copy/pasted which generated the error for you, thanks.


Thank you! Makes perfect sense. The URL address present when the tab re-opens is: http://www.trackandfieldnews.com:8088/discussion . As is visible, the discussion doesn't re-open in a particular forum. Cheers for the work!
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby gennady » Tue May 22, 2012 4:32 pm

I'm trying to send a PM, but it still remains in the Outbox.
Help please. :(
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby polevaultpower » Tue May 22, 2012 5:03 pm

gennady wrote:I'm trying to send a PM, but it still remains in the Outbox.
Help please. :(


That just means the other person has not read it yet. If their email address associated with their account is not up-to-date, they may not have received notification of the PM, or their spam filter could have eaten it.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby gh » Thu May 31, 2012 7:44 am

yes, we know that the captcha function has suddenly reappeared when trying to log in. Working on it!
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby pjmorse » Thu May 31, 2012 8:59 am

gh wrote:yes, we know that the captcha function has suddenly reappeared when trying to log in. Working on it!


I think I got it. (I'd explain what was going on if anyone was interested, but I suspect nobody is.)

Sorry about the slowness during the DL. It's an investment in the future.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby Grasshopper » Thu May 31, 2012 5:05 pm

So, why was the site unavailable all morning-afternoon (PST for me)? Now that I'm finally able to pull up the site I see that others were able to access the messageboard and make postings during that time. Is there a reason that it wasn't available where I'm at from 11am'ish - 5pm'ish (Bay Area)?
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby pjmorse » Thu May 31, 2012 5:14 pm

Grasshopper wrote:So, why was the site unavailable all morning-afternoon (PST for me)? Now that I'm finally able to pull up the site I see that others were able to access the messageboard and make postings during that time. Is there a reason that it wasn't available where I'm at from 11am'ish - 5pm'ish (Bay Area)?


The short explanation: DNS failure. Those who had the resolved IP of trackandfieldnews.com cached in their browsers/systems didn't have a problem. Those who had to look it up couldn't get through.

Slightly longer: we started the process of moving DNS off this box and out to more reliable hosting a few months ago, but for various reasons it dragged. Today the floor dropped out from under the existing DNS, and although we had new DNS ready to go, it took some time to get access to the place where changes are made (we had to make tech support calls to Network Solutions), and even once that was in place, DNS changes can take hours to propagate.

Two other things compounding the situation: I'm "moving furniture" to get a new box ready for this site before NCAAs, and there's been a ton of (unrelated) internet routing issues in the geographic region where the box actually lives (which is near neither me nor the T&FN offices).

It's been a stressful few weeks but I genuinely hope we'll be flying steadier as the big meets get bigger.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby pjmorse » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:46 am

pjmorse wrote:I'm "moving furniture" to get a new box ready for this site before NCAAs, and there's been a ton of (unrelated) internet routing issues in the geographic region where the box actually lives (which is near neither me nor the T&FN offices).


The day after I posted this, we got email from the hosting company apologizing for routing issues on their network, which could easily have produced outages for some people but not others.

More to the point, as of this morning we're using the new server, and I'm posting this to confirm that the boards aren't broken. 8-) Still some little details to iron out.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:58 pm

For several minutes I was getting an error when refreshing or trying to get anything on the site, and the several tabs I had open also failed when I tried to refresh them. Prior to that I was getting a message about 'resending' when I tried refreshing a thread of the board index. This happens with the board index at work but is new at home. I then went for a run and came back to a functioning site, but when I refresh the board index page (but not other pages).
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby guru » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:57 pm

PJ - Just letting you know, at the risk of being a jinx lol, that things have been cruising along without a hitch today.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby pjmorse » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:24 pm

guru wrote:PJ - Just letting you know, at the risk of being a jinx lol, that things have been cruising along without a hitch today.


Some things happened last week that weren't timed quite the way I'd have chosen, but overall I think you're right. Compare this (NCAAs and NYC DL on the same weekend) to a few weeks ago when the Shanghai DL nearly brought the server to its knees (or was it Doha?) and I think we're in a decent position for the OT and OG.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby Daisy » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:34 pm

Thank you pjmorse. I've been able to read the board without a hitch all weekend.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby bushop » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:45 pm

Is the 2,000 character limit staying for good?
It eliminates the ability to edit posts the were built before the changes.
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby Daisy » Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:42 am

And now the board doesn't freeze look what happens!

Most users ever online was 563 on 30 Jun 2012 02:57
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby gh » Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:43 am

wow.... think the old high was like 311... you guys just might make this a worthwhile enterprise yet! :mrgreen:
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Re: Forum maintenance

Postby Jackaloupe » Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:28 am

Problem here is the Quote Button, which triples/quadruples the length of many Posts by re-Quoting earlier Quotes of Quotes--ad nauseum, like the face in the mirror...or that Stephen Colbert painting.

I prefer the ol' reliable Cntrl-C, followed by Cntrl-V (PCs only, Apple has its own version), after "painting" a relevant phrase or two.
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