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Re: Junior Male Shot Put 2012 [No Olys for Gill (for now)]

Postby leoesharkey » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:46 pm

Potentially this young man could break the US record, he could go 64 with the big ball and maybe 72 with the 6k? I hope he focuses on it and gives Jacko a run for his money !
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Re: Junior Male Shot Put 2012 [No Olys for Gill (for now)]

Postby gh » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:21 pm

Vena 64-¼ (19.51) at the ACC.... now No. 7 U.S. Junior ever.
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Re: Junior Male Shot Put 2012 [No Olys for Gill (for now)]

Postby gh » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:34 pm

also PRed to win the discus: 179-11 (54.84)
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Vena 19.51m (64'¼") 16 lb]

Postby leoesharkey » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:42 am

So he certainly could go 64 LOL he has. He could go 65 and 73-74?
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Vena 19.51m (64'¼") 16 lb]

Postby bushop » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:03 am

Gill peeks out from his self-imposed hermitage.

170kg (374lb) - 9 reps. 17 years old Training for World Junior Track and Field championships 2012, in Barcelona :)
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Vena 19.51m (64'¼") 16 lb]

Postby Marlow » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:23 am

bushop wrote:170kg (374lb) - 9 reps. 17 years old

That about says it all. It's ridiculous.
With his speed, strength, technique, passion, dedication, etc., etc., the only thing that can stop him from getting the WR is injury. If anything, his coach should be reining him in at this stage!
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Vena 19.51m (64'¼") 16 lb]

Postby Rye Catcher » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:19 am

bushop wrote:Gill peeks out from his self-imposed hermitage.

170kg (374lb) - 9 reps. 17 years old Training for World Junior Track and Field championships 2012, in Barcelona :)


With no spotter, what happens if he fails to get that last rep up? Not smart to workout alone.
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Re: Junior Male Shot Put 2012 [No Olys for Gill (for now)]

Postby Vault-emort » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:26 am

Dave wrote:Quick question, are there other junior men throwing the shot this year or is Gill it?

Aussie Damien Birkenhead (b93) is not in Gill's league but set a NJR for the 6kg shot a coupla weeks back in Melbourne (20.51m). His best with the senior shot is 18.48 and he's also not bad at the Hammer.
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Re: Junior Male Shot Put 2012 [No Olys for Gill (for now)]

Postby Marlow » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:36 am

Vault-emort wrote:
Dave wrote:Quick question, are there other junior men throwing the shot this year or is Gill it?

Aussie Damien Birkenhead (b93) is not in Gill's league but set a NJR for the 6kg shot a coupla weeks back in Melbourne (20.51m). His best with the senior shot is 18.48 and he's also not bad at the Hammer.

I realize the Q was facetious, but the other Jr 20m-ers from last year with 6kg ball are

20.92 Krzysztof Brzozowski POL
20.63 Meng Li CHN
20.10 Dennis Lewke GER
20.10 Damien Birkinhead AUS
[from IAAF.org]
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby bushop » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:08 am

If I may... an interesting video, well worth the watch... all the way to the end.

World Juniors Training video - Jacko Gill
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby preston » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:44 am

bushop wrote:If I may... an interesting video, well worth the watch... all the way to the end.

World Juniors Training video - Jacko Gill

At the end it says a PB...today? Did they measure? Anyway, I guess my real question is: when are they going to move Jacko up to the 800m?
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby shotputter » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:52 am

Someone should tell Jacko that the World junior boxing championship is not until October.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby jeremyp » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:52 pm

bushop wrote:If I may... an interesting video, well worth the watch... all the way to the end.

World Juniors Training video - Jacko Gill


It's the stair hopping that shows this kids power in the legs. What's his weight now? 105 kilos?
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby Powell » Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:07 am

Brzozowski 21.14 NJR yesterday in Białystok at the national junior champs.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby leoesharkey » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:04 am

could be five or six putters over 20m in world juniors and a few over 21m :mrgreen:
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby bushop » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:47 pm

Video of Stephen Mozia's 20.20m put at the USA Junior Track & Field Championships.
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Re: Junior Male Shot Putters 2012

Postby bushop » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:52 pm

SHOT PUT Tom WALSH 19,16m 7kg 22 06 2012 Colmar

Jacko Gill via Facebook wrote:Jacko Gill June 24
Off to Switzerland, France, Spain and Sweden for 2 months :') see you all my mates have a beauty! And going to be a beauty mate

I wonder if he'll spend some time with Val Adams while in Switzerland.
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Re: Junior Male Shot Putters 2012

Postby bushop » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:57 pm

Jacko Gill via Facebook wrote:Jacko Gill July 1
Slimmed up for World Juniors 6kg! <3333333333333333333333333333333333693333333333333333333333333333333333333333
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby Tuariki » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:25 am

Prediction: WJr

Jacko 1st = 23.50 metres
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby leoesharkey » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:28 am

Monza and Brzyovszy to go 21m+ and Gill to sneak over 23m ! my prediction ! :D
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby Tuariki » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:15 pm

It is official - no Jacko at the Olympics as NZ selectors have confirmed the final selections for London. Late selections of Newdick (MDec) and Cawley (wPen) were the last Tnf selections.

I guess Jacko decided to keep to his decision to withdraw his name for selection and just focus on winning the WJr tomorrow night.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby leoesharkey » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:07 pm

Possibly the right decision, hope he throws big ! :D
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby bushop » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:32 pm

leoesharkey wrote:Possibly the right decision, hope he throws big ! :D

Seems like a poor choice... I'm concerned about the motives and attitude behind not accepting the same treatment as everyone else.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby gibson » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:20 am

Jacko Gill is a fine young man.
his training and methods are awesome.
he's generating excitement in one of the most boring events.
he's making it fun and becoming an all round athlete.
which will allow him to tackle the discus or even the decathlon in the future.

athletics new zealand and many of the good intended posters just get in the way of progress.
inadvertently, they'd to kill the goose that is laying the golden egg, except that gill won't have it and tells them to f***off.

good for gill to shut them out.

at the end of the day. i'd like to see gill box key selectors from athletics NZ and show them what's up.

if gill gets the chance he most definitely should talk to mr. mac wilkins about how to deal with federation crap and such. plus he could learn from THE master.
http://macwilkins.com/
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby bushop » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:48 am

gibson wrote:
Inadvertently, they'd to kill the goose that is laying the golden egg, except that gill won't have it and tells them to f***off.
good for gill to shut them out.

What does this mean?

Do you expect NZ's federation to name Gill to the team in January based on his "B" Standard?
The sad thing is that Jacko Gill will not be in London... there is no upside here.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:39 am

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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 21.50m CR in qualifying]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:08 am

Jacko Gill opens with a CR 21.75m (71' 4")
Kangas goes 19.52m (64' 0")
Damo goes 20.44m (67' 0")
Pezer fouls
Brzozowski glides huge... 21.78m (71' 5")
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 21.75m 71'4" CR]

Postby Vault-emort » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:14 am

A great comp to watch!
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 21.75m 71'4" CR]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:15 am

Jacko Gill responds to Brzo with a CR 22.19m (72' 10")
Kangas improves to 19.69m (64' 7")
Damo improves to 20.60m (67' 7")
Pezer goes 18.80m (61' 8")
Brzozowski fouls
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.19m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby shotputter » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:23 am

If Jacko doesn't break the world record today, the trip to Barcelona was worthless in comparison to going to Olympics. He can win this competition in his sleep, despite Brzozowski coming in strong. He should have played by the (stupid) rules, make the A standard, come to Barcelona, win, and then go to London.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.19m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:26 am

Jacko Gill opens the 3rd round with a 22.15m (72' 8")
Jun Li spins to 4th place with a 19.72m (64' 8")
Kangas fouls
Damo PBs again with a 21.03m (69' 0")
Pezer goes through to the final in 4th with a 19.83m (65' 1")
Brzozowski fouls
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.19m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:49 am

Kangas fouls
Jun Li fouls
Pezer fouls
Damo goes 20.83m (68' 4")
Brzozowski goes 20.88m (68' 9")
Gill ends the 4th round with a 21.84m (71' 8")
... and they're showing a medal ceremony... ug.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.19m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:54 am

5th round:
Kangas moves ahead of Li by 1cm with a 19.73m (64' 8")
Jun Li goes 19.38m (63' 7")
Pezer goes 18.81m (61' 8")
Damo keeps his great meet rolling at 21.16m (69' 5")
Brzozowski goes 21.37m (70' 1")
Gill sets another CR at 22.20m (72' 10")
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:06 am

final round:
Kangas moves ahead of Pezer by 2cm with a 19.85m (65' 1")
Jun Li goes 19.46m (63' 10")
Pezer fouls
Damo goes 20.40m (66' 11")
Brzozowski fouls
Gill finishes the day with 22.02m (72' 3")
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby shotputter » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:06 am

he's generating excitement in one of the most boring events.

By doing what? Releasing videos on youtube? There was nothing exciting today in Barcelona. Everyone knew he was going to win, the record they talked about for the past year didn't get broken, and it is now clear that his decisions about London were all poor choices.

It's obvious that he didn't need to focus on Barcelona in order to win, he could have trained for the senior shot and still win today. So that talk about how they needed to be sure that Jacko will be part of the team months before so that he would know what to train for, goes down the drain. It's just that he wanted to be treated differently and when they treated him like everyone else, he got pissed off. So, shutting the Athletics NZ up did nothing for him.

Jacko in London, now that would be super exciting, even if he doesn't place well, he would still be a 17-year old shot put Olympian. That's huge. But he wasted that opportunity.

So, for me, he didn't make it fun. I'm actually disappointed. He should compete more. With seniors, as he reached that level by going over 20m. That's exciting, that's something to look forward to. Dominating juniors for two more years is like letting Usain Bolt compete with high school kids. Break the JR world record, get done with it. Move on to what matters.

Also, shot put is not a boring event. At the moment, it has one of the strongest fields and it will be an event to watch in London.

his training and methods are awesome.

Are you actually serious? That training works for him because he's exceptionally gifted. In any other application, it would produce injuries, overtraining, and poor results. Go ahead, try it. It has no structure, it's random and some parts of his training are dangerous.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby Tuariki » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:30 pm

I have to agree with shotputter.

First though, thanks to Bushop that I was able to follow the shot competition as it progressed rather than wait for the IAAF site update.

Human nature is a funny old beast. Here I am sitting in Auckland feeling gutted because all Jacko did was to win the Gold, with all 7 of his throws exceeding the incoming World Championship record of 21.47. Having watched Jacko throw non-foul warm ups at the NZ Nationals earlier this year his 22.20m was a major disappointment and surprise. And I am sure Jacko is probably gutted as well. I imagine the pressure of the 23m expectation possibly got the better of him.

And it was certainly a wasted opportunity that Jacko withdrew himself from Olympic selection.

At the Olympics there would be very little expectation of him in terms of placing well. And with that lack of pressure I believe he would have had a good chance of reaching 21m. His warm up throws in December were evidence of his ability to reach 21.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby shotputter » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:06 pm

I'll now have two weeks holiday in Sweden then go home and get training in earnest again, starting out with circuit training, before starting competing again around October time.

http://iaaf.org/Mini/WJC12/News/NewsDet ... x?id=65760

Another delay. We won't see him much this year. He will probably produce a good result in October/November and then we won't hear about him for another four to five months. His career is no longer interesting to me until he starts competing more often.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby AS » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:07 pm

Gill's success at such a young age in this event is rare (hence our excitement). We all salivate at the prospect of what he might become in the coming 5-10 years. We know that this will take a lot of training and hard work.

It's not clear to me that competing at great frequency in the coming year or two will help much, however.

As such, isn't he doing the right thing by staying down in NZ, competing when he feels like it (especially in an event which benefits less from having competitors around you), and training??

As it is, competing as a 'freakshow' in a couple of Diamond Leagues isn't exactly going to help the brand...as he'll just be an also-ran/threw. "17 year old finishes within 5 ft of Olympic champ" is a vaguely interesting headline once...
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby shotputter » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:49 pm

As such, isn't he doing the right thing by staying down in NZ, competing when he feels like it (especially in an event which benefits less from having competitors around you), and training??

He should at least be taking part in local meets. It's not that I don't agree with you, it's just he teased us with those results with the senior shot and now we don't get to see it again. He will be a great senior, but to see what he can do at this age is what is exciting right now.

Physically, he is already at the senior level. That's why it's not interesting to me to see him compete only a few times during the year, at junior level.
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Re: Junior Shot Put '12 [Gill 22.20m Brzo 21.78m]

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:27 pm

shotputter wrote:.... but to see what he can do at this age is what is exciting right now.

Maybe exciting for us–but maybe not what Gill needs to reach his potential.
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