notorious wrote:The 200m in London is very simple. If Felix can't stay with Jeter and VC through the curve, she has not chance of beating them. ....
All depends what you mean by "staying with":
Osaka WC VCB leads 11.10–11.15 in the curve: Felix then runs 10.66 to 11.24 to win going away.
Berlin WC VCB leads 11.14–11.16 in the curve: Felix then runs 10.86 to 11.21 to again win going away.
Then last year you throw in three rounds of the 400 beforehand and the formula changes. VCB runs 11.03, Felix 11.31 and yes, it's all over, even though she did have the fastest second half.
Felix haven't beaten VCB since 09. Moving right along.
Thanks for pointing that out. Both Jeter and VC are now 10.7 runners and will blaze that curve leaving Felix miles ahead. Felix will have a hard time catching up.
running4life wrote:Felix haven't beaten VCB since 09. Moving right along.
Well, they have only met in one championship race since 2009, so what's your point? That VCB has a one-race winning streak?
VCB beat Felix in new York in 2010 with a time of 21.98. VCB is much stronger and faster now than she was in 2007. And since you want to claim that Felix was tied after running the 400 rounds and that's why she lost to VCB, then why not use the same excuse that VCB was running injured in 2009 and thats why she lost the Felix. When Felix start beating Jeter then I'll be worried about VCB.
notorious wrote:The 200m in London is very simple. If Felix can't stay with Jeter and VC through the curve, she has not chance of beating them. ....
All depends what you mean by "staying with":
Osaka WC VCB leads 11.10–11.15 in the curve: Felix then runs 10.66 to 11.24 to win going away.
Berlin WC VCB leads 11.14–11.16 in the curve: Felix then runs 10.86 to 11.21 to again win going away.
Then last year you throw in three rounds of the 400 beforehand and the formula changes. VCB runs 11.03, Felix 11.31 and yes, it's all over, even though she did have the fastest second half.
Felix haven't beaten VCB since 09. Moving right along.
Before 2011 who was ranked #1 in the 200 since AF had already voted? Despite her OG Gold VCB did not rank first most of the time.
running4life wrote:VCB beat Felix in new York in 2010 with a time of 21.98. VCB is much stronger and faster now than she was in 2007.
That wasn't a champiomship race.
running4life wrote:And since you want to claim that Felix was tied after running the 400 rounds and that's why she lost to VCB, then why not use the same excuse that VCB was running injured in 2009 and thats why she lost the Felix..
gh wrote:and then just when you think SRR is about to be invincible, along comes Williams-Mills!
This was the other side of the coin I was referring to, SRR looking good, but then NWM looking very solid. Felix will have her hands full in both races but I wonder if this will make her consider the 200m only as she'll be rested and VCB and Jeter will likely to have raced the 100m earlier in the programme.
Interesting stats on VCB running the bend, I didn't think her Daegu bend looked as good as that time suggested. Anyone know her splits in Beijing?
Despite all of Felix’s success at the WC(three 200m gold medals), she has said repeatedly that she was willing to give up all three of her 200m WC gold medals for just one(VC has two) of VC’s Olympic 200m gold medals.
That’s how much more she and everyone else value Olympic gold medals over WC gold medals.
If that's really true, all this talk about doubling will fly out the window and she will focus her efforts on doing just that. Personally, I believe the talk of doubling is insulting to your competition (especially when there isn't any evidence to suggest that you are clearly7 the fastest and can beat them even if you didn't double).
Is Felix the best 400m runner in the world? Um...not unless I misplaced a FULL SECOND.
Is she CLEARLY the best 200m runner in the world? Um...nope not unless VCB isn't in the race or chooses to run her own double.
I will say this, the talk does attract media attention and keep the less informed occupied.
TrackDaddy, do you have the link to that finish line photo of Sanya and Allyson when they were still in high school? You know the one I'm talking about, it's the one you had blown up to 40"x60" to put on your wall.
jazzcyclist wrote:TrackDaddy, do you have the link to that finish line photo of Sanya and Allyson when they were still in high school? You know the one I'm talking about, it's the one you had blown up to 40"x60" to put on your wall.
LOL!
Um no I don't. I only faintly remember what youre referring to (but it may be found in the Dyestat archives if there is such a thing) lol
Gabriella wrote:Ha ha. But who went on to greater things? Felix; no contest: Nuff said
Actually, thats NOT enuff.
Maybe that's all you care about, but its not the only reason NIke will cut a check.
Sanya Youngest to ever run 48 American Record Holder 400m More sub 50s than any female ever More World Athlete of the Year Awards than any other female (which is awarded across ALL events and is harder to win than your little single event medal ...lol) Saving other ammo for later
Felix
I was glad to see Felix beat a doubling VCB to win a couple of world titles.I'm from the US.
For that reason I refuse to discuss what happened when VCB DIDN'T double.
t_monk wrote:That in and of itself is a travesty... and I actually like Sanya...
Travesty?
I think not, tm. You need more information.
The award is given to the Top Athlete after considering them ALL. You have to COMPLETELY dominate to get it.
Do you know how many years Sanya has been ranked number 1 in her event and how she went like full seasons almost distancing herself from her competition by a full second per 400m race? Do you know how hard that is to do?!? Do you realize how hard it is to be a factor much less THE factor in the 400m for this long regardless of gender?
Do you know the AR was 20 years old when she broke it?
Can you imagine what it took to run sub 49 at the age she first did it? (the youngest EVER).
AF for all her greatness never even dominates the 200 euro circuit in a season much less over the course of her career.
Actually, most consider me on the pessimistic side.
Global medals are the most important factor for measuring performance for most fans. But they aren't the ONLY factor.
I just think jokers will one day look back at the history of this event while flipping through the books and be amazed at what she has done.
Her number of sub 50s alone is staggering; we take them for granted and have even come to expect it. Things is, she's run 48 almost as much as the bulk of her competion has dropped 49s.
I believe it took Felix nearly 50 professional attempts to run sub 11.
Sanya did it in like her 4th or so after not running it...for years.
Lol. So wrong for posting that picture. It looks as if Allyson is crying about losing while Sanya is basking in the win and rubbing it in with her kool aid smile.
I think their rivalry is renewed every year. Look at how Sanya reacts to losing to Felix at 1:11 in this vid and a 1:18 gives her the slightest handshake while all the other competitors hug her to congratulate her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgeDeDXJ4Dk
notorious wrote:Despite all of Felix’s success at the WC(three 200m gold medals), she has said repeatedly that she was willing to give up all three of her 200m WC gold medals for just one(VC has two) of VC’s Olympic 200m gold medals.
That’s how much more she and everyone else value Olympic gold medals over WC gold medals.
How many times am I gonna have to keep linking you to the damn interview of her saying she was joking when she said that and wouldn't actually give up her World medals before you give up on this lie?
Carmelita Jeter is untalented, unknown, fluke winner, local, and will be making headlines in about 5 years time, but not in the way she'll want.
VCB is not a better 200m runner than Allyson Felix, the times prove that much. On average Allyson runs the 200m faster than VCB. Allyson doesn't get beaten by lessers, and Allyson has beaten VCB more times than VCB has beaten her.
Allyson's legacy and impact will be much greater than Sanya's once she retires. Plain and simple. I must say it is hilarious to see TD back on here cackling down when he was nowhere to be found most of last year when Sanya was running atrociously. You should be worried more about how USATF replaced Sanya with Allyson as their golden girl, they know the truth.
notorious wrote:Despite all of Felix’s success at the WC(three 200m gold medals), she has said repeatedly that she was willing to give up all three of her 200m WC gold medals for just one(VC has two) of VC’s Olympic 200m gold medals.
That’s how much more she and everyone else value Olympic gold medals over WC gold medals.
How many times am I gonna have to keep linking you to the damn interview of her saying she was joking when she said that and wouldn't actually give up her World medals before you give up on this lie?
NotSoOrdinary wrote:Carmelita Jeter is untalented, unknown, fluke winner, local, and will be making headlines in about 5 years time, but not in the way she'll want.
VCB is not a better 200m runner than Allyson Felix, the times prove that much. On average Allyson runs the 200m faster than VCB. Allyson doesn't get beaten by lessers, and Allyson has beaten VCB more times than VCB has beaten her.
Allyson's legacy and impact will be much greater than Sanya's once she retires. Plain and simple. I must say it is hilarious to see TD back on here cackling down when he was nowhere to be found most of last year when Sanya was running atrociously. You should be worried more about how USATF replaced Sanya with Allyson as their golden girl, they know the truth.
VC has a faster with a PR of 21.74 versus Allyson’s 21.81. VC has not lost to Allyson since way back in 2009.
VC is now a much faster sprinter than Allyson(10.76 versus 10.93) and thus, Allyson will not be able to be close to VC around the curve. VC will beat Allyson by a mile in today’s 100m in Doha.
Most sprinters have a limited shelf life of around five seasons, Merlene Ottey aside(Happy Birthday Merlene!!!), and how Felix and Richards perform in London will determine their legacy in the sport.
notorious wrote:Despite all of Felix’s success at the WC(three 200m gold medals), she has said repeatedly that she was willing to give up all three of her 200m WC gold medals for just one(VC has two) of VC’s Olympic 200m gold medals.
That’s how much more she and everyone else value Olympic gold medals over WC gold medals.
How many times am I gonna have to keep linking you to the damn interview of her saying she was joking when she said that and wouldn't actually give up her World medals before you give up on this lie?
NotSoOrdinary wrote:Carmelita Jeter is untalented, unknown, fluke winner, local, and will be making headlines in about 5 years time, but not in the way she'll want.
VCB is not a better 200m runner than Allyson Felix, the times prove that much. On average Allyson runs the 200m faster than VCB. Allyson doesn't get beaten by lessers, and Allyson has beaten VCB more times than VCB has beaten her.
Allyson's legacy and impact will be much greater than Sanya's once she retires. Plain and simple. I must say it is hilarious to see TD back on here cackling down when he was nowhere to be found most of last year when Sanya was running atrociously. You should be worried more about how USATF replaced Sanya with Allyson as their golden girl, they know the truth.
VC has a faster with a PR of 21.74 versus Allyson’s 21.81. VC has not lost to Allyson since way back in 2009.
VC is now a much faster sprinter than Allyson(10.76 versus 10.93) and thus, Allyson will not be able to be close to VC around the curve. VC will beat Allyson by a mile in today’s 100m in Doha.
NotSoOrdinary wrote:Carmelita Jeter is untalented, unknown, fluke winner, local, and will be making headlines in about 5 years time, but not in the way she'll want.
VCB is not a better 200m runner than Allyson Felix, the times prove that much. On average Allyson runs the 200m faster than VCB. Allyson doesn't get beaten by lessers, and Allyson has beaten VCB more times than VCB has beaten her.
Allyson's legacy and impact will be much greater than Sanya's once she retires. Plain and simple. I must say it is hilarious to see TD back on here cackling down when he was nowhere to be found most of last year when Sanya was running atrociously. You should be worried more about how USATF replaced Sanya with Allyson as their golden girl, they know the truth.
VC has a faster with a PR of 21.74 versus Allyson’s 21.81. VC has not lost to Allyson since way back in 2009.
VC is now a much faster sprinter than Allyson(10.76 versus 10.93) and thus, Allyson will not be able to be close to VC around the curve. VC will beat Allyson by a mile in today’s 100m in Doha.
WAIT! I guess you were wrong Miss Cleo
Its early season my friend. The last time I heard, they were not giving out gold medals in Doha today. Wait till London and then, they will show their hands. Don't forget 2008.
notorious, either eat crow or stop spouting off about how Jamaican X is going to beat (American) Y by a mile, ... and then does not. I thought you learned that lesson last year, but I guess the memory is too painful.
