Inspired by the Lia Manoliu question... (this should be much easier than my previous quiz!)
1. Nadezhda Olizarenko has been the #2 performer (behind Kratochvílová) in w800m for 28 and a bit consecutive years now, an all-time record for women (in established Olympic events at any rate!) Name the all-time record for men
2. Name two people who won Olympic medals in the same event 16 years apart.
3. Name two people who won Olympic medals at age 45 or older.
4. Name the oldest world leader (at the end of that year in established Oly events) you can think of. (This question is particularly easy as you can't answer wrong, as long as your athlete really was the world leader of course )
dukehjsteve wrote:Perhaps the LJ with Owens' 26' 8.25 ", 1935-1960. 25 years.
edit to add: nahh, not it . After posting above I looked it up.
Just to clarify in case my intended meaning wasn't clear enough, question 1 is looking for the greatest longevity of the guy just behind the WR as #2 on the list. (In the case of men's LJ for instance, this was Eulace Peacock for quite a spell behind Owens, and has been Bob Beamon for the last 20 and a bit years. And no, the correct answer isn't either of those.)
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I'm sure this is not it for the longest # 2, but one I remember is Audun Boysen's 1:45.9 behind Roger Moens' 1:45.7 in 1955. Lasted 7 years before Snell smashed them both. That's the best I can do WITHOUT LOOKING THEM UP which is NOT ALLOWED.
Question number one. My understanding. The well-known fact that WR Women 800m Jarmila Kratochvílova 1983 is the oldest WR. Previous WR Nadyezhda Olizarenko 1980 and remains the number two in the all time list. We must specify the oldest male WR, where previous WR-holder is remains the number two in the all time list. If I understand this correctly it will Randy Barnes SP 1990 Ulf Timmermann SP 1988 The first and second in the all time list of SP.
@gennady for question 4 - "world leader" means the best mark in the world that year. I think the last time Sedykh was a world leader was in 1988 at age 33, which isn't bad of course, but with your grasp of history I'm sure you can beat it
(Though an Interesting and somewhat related thing about Sedykh is that he's actually spent more total time as the WR holder in mHT than Kratochvílová in w800!)
question 1 - Timmermann may well be the right answer quite soon but not just yet! There's one longer-lasting #2 in the mists of history
The first question. Below are the oldest men's world record in Olympic events. DT 1. 74.08 Jurgen Schult Neubrandenburg 06.06.1986 WR-holder 25y 331d 2. 73.88 Virgilijus Alekna Kaunas 03.08.2000 3. 73.38 Gerd Kanter Helsingborg 04.09.2006 4. 71.86 Yuriy Dumchev Moskva 29.05.1983 Pre WR-holder HT 1. 86.74 Yuriy Syedikh Stuttgart 30.08.1986 WR-holder 25y 246d 2. 86.73 Ivan Tikhon Brest 03.07.2005 3. 86.04 Sergey Litvinov Dresden 03.07.1986 Pre WR-holder SP 1. 23.12 Randy Barnes Westwood 20.05.1990 WR-holder 21y 347d 2. 23.06 Ulf Timmermann Hania 22.05.1988 Pre WR-holder LJ 1. 8.95 Mike Powell Tokyo 30.08.1991 WR-holder 20y 245d 2. 8.90A Bob Beamon Ciudad de Mexico18.10.1968 Pre WR-holder What is my error?
gennady wrote:The first question. Below are the oldest men's world record in Olympic events. [...] What is my error?
You're only considering today's #1s and #2s. Timmermann certainly has the top longevity (21 years 11 months so far) among the #2s who haven't been bumped off yet... but there's one man out there who was #2 in his event for longer than that, even if he no longer holds that spot
Question 4 isn't limited to this year (in fact, this year isn't over yet so it's not eligible at all!)
Probably I'm confused in the first question definitively. I'll try again. Do I understand the first question correctly?
gennady wrote:The well-known fact that WR Women 800m Jarmila Kratochvílova 1983 is the oldest WR. Previous WR Nadyezhda Olizarenko 1980 and remains the number two in the all time list. We must specify the oldest male WR, where previous WR-holder is remains the number two in the all time list to the present day .
gennady wrote:Probably I'm confused in the first question definitively. I'll try again. Do I understand the first question correctly?
gennady wrote:The well-known fact that WR Women 800m Jarmila Kratochvílova 1983 is the oldest WR. Previous WR Nadyezhda Olizarenko 1980 and remains the number two in the all time list. We must specify the oldest male WR, where previous WR-holder is remains the number two in the all time list to the present day .
Yes, you're definitively confused
There's no need for the answer to still be #2 on the all-time list (Ulf Timmermann would indeed be the correct answer if that were the case!), or for the answer to have been #1 at any point, or even for the people in #1 and #2 to not have improved their results as long as they stayed in that order.
Think of it this way: Larry James was #2 in m400 for the best part of 20 years (until Butch Reynolds bumped him off in '88). James would be a reasonable answer - he isn't the correct answer as Timmermann for instance has him beaten by a couple years, but he's pretty high up the list and in no way ineligible as such.
Sergey Litvinov was #2 in mHT for exactly 21 consecutive years in 1984-2005, behind multiple WRs by Yuriy Sedykh (he was also #2 for a couple years in 1980-1982, but that's disconnected from the main bulk and therefore doesn't count); he's even higher up the list than James (though he still loses to Timmermann!)
Question 4 - last year, yes, or any year for a reasonable definition of "any" (for instance Sedykh in 1988, but he was only 33 then so he's not the most brilliant answer!)
Well, remember that IAAF only actually ratifies WRs... it doesn't ratify the marks behind them (unless they were official WRs of their own), so the answer isn't necessarily yes. But you're right in that the #1 should have the WR (preferably officially, though something like Ni Zhiqin's unratified 229 might reasonably count) and the #2's mark shouldn't be suspect - no silly tricks like "Jürgen Schult has been #2 for nearly 26 years since Al Oerter is at #1 with some unofficial exhibition mark"
I realize this leaves some potential room for ambiguity with "world best" marks that were not ratified (do they really count as #1 or is the official WR #1 by default? Does it depend?), but in such cases you should just use common sense (and I don't think it impacts the answer anyhow)
Part Men's HT WR progression. 59.00 Erwin Blask 27 Aug 1938 WR 25y 10d(between two WR) 59.56 Patrick O'Callaghan 22 Aug 1937 no rtf 57.77 Patrick James Ryan 17 Aug 1913 WR 57.10 Matthew McGrath 29 Oct 1911 no rtf 56.18 John Flanagan 24 Jul 1909 no rtf
Can it be considered as the answer to first question?
As dukehjsteve said, you aren't supposed to look things up, but I doubt too many others were going to answer anyhow.
Yes, the correct answers are...
1) Matt McGrath (#2 behind Ryan for 24 years until O'Callaghan's 59.56 in '37) 2) Merlene Ottey and Matt McGrath 3) Tebbs Lloyd Johnson and Matt McGrath 4) any world leader, but the ultimate answer should be Matt McGrath in 1925
