Felix: Sucessful Double?

[DJG]

Is it me or does anyone feel Allyson is pulling everyones leg. I feel she is going to do the 200 only and is keeping her competitors in limbo. It would be maniacal to really do anything else to me.

More likely to keep her name in the news, her competitiors better be focused on their own
plans.

[running4life]

Is it me or does anyone feel Allyson is pulling everyones leg. I feel she is going to do the 200 only and is keeping her competitors in limbo. It would be maniacal to really do anything else to me.

More likely to keep her name in the news, her competitiors better be focused on their own
plans.

Yea ok Jeter and VCB have the 200 on lock.Allyson will have to run a pr to beat them.And it seems as tho VCB is aiming for the 200 more this year than the 100.VCB wants to make history.
Allyson should best shot is at the 400

[guru]

Jeter opens solidly at 22.31 today

http://www.royalresults.com/liveresults/120412F036.htm

[t_monk]

Jeter opens solidly at 22.31 today

http://www.royalresults.com/liveresults/120412F036.htm

This girl just keeps impressing me!

[t_monk]

The 4x100 at this meet was interesting... I wish I saw the meet results for this... Felix beat Jeter to the line in the 4x100. Looking at the names in the 4x100 you would also think that Jeter's team on paper does look better....

Event 21 Women 4x100 Meter Relay
========================================================================
School Seed Finals
========================================================================
Finals
1 Bobby Kersee All-Stars 'A' 42.99 42.65
1) Powell, Jenny 2) Turnbull, Jennba
3) Harper, Dawn 4) Felix, Allyson
2 HSI 'A' 43.00 43.06
1) Wilson, Kenyana 2) Barber, Mikele
3) Barber, Lisa 4) Jeter, Carmelita
3 Laney 'A' 44.90 45.37
1) Rose, Lauren SO 2) Purvis, Ashton FR
3) Giles, Asha FR 4) Suleman, Khadija FR
4 UCLA 'A' 43.00 46.60
1) Buchanan, Brea SO 2) Courtnall, Ally FR
3) Washington, Chelsey FR 4) Price, Kylie FR
5 San Francisco St. 'A' 46.52 46.66
1) McDaniel, Keenya SO 2) Chambers, Alicia SR
3) Baucham, Brionne SO 4) Thomas, Carrie SR
6 BYU 'A' 46.25 47.21
1) Jensen, Brooke NA 2) Dedrickson, Fatima SR
3) Jensen, Kassie FR 4) Hale, Aubrey SO

[notorious]

Jeter opens solidly at 22.31 today

http://www.royalresults.com/liveresults/120412F036.htm

This girl just keeps impressing me!

No need to get too excited. What was the wind?

[guru]

Jeter opens solidly at 22.31 today

http://www.royalresults.com/liveresults/120412F036.htm

This girl just keeps impressing me!

No need to get too excited. What was the wind?

Umm, it's right on the results 1.5

And she won her heat by .71(won overall by .50)

[t_monk]

Jeter opens solidly at 22.31 today

http://www.royalresults.com/liveresults/120412F036.htm

This girl just keeps impressing me!

No need to get too excited. What was the wind?

+w1.5
For a season opener that is damn good. That would make any World/Oly finals >_>

[notorious]

Jeter opens solidly at 22.31 today

http://www.royalresults.com/liveresults/120412F036.htm

This girl just keeps impressing me!

No need to get too excited. What was the wind?

+w1.5
For a season opener that is damn good. That would make any World/Oly finals >_>

I am still not excited

[guru]

For a season opener that is damn good. That would make any World/Oly finals >_>

Not to mention the 4x1 leg 90 minutes before

[ATK]

Looks like Felix also ran the 3rd leg of the 4x400.

[26mi235]

Jeter opens solidly at 22.31 today

http://www.royalresults.com/liveresults/120412F036.htm

This girl just keeps impressing me!

No need to get too excited. What was the wind?

Well, you got excited by a 9.90/1.6, and in terms of the status quo, this upsets it more than the 9.90.

[JumboElliott]

Carmelita is not Jamaican, and more importantly isn't coached by Glenn Mills.

[Gabriella]

22.31 is a fantastic opener so early in the season. To suggest it's anything other is ridiculous. It's faster than she ran herself in the Daegu final (and of course faster than Felix) and, notorious, faster than VCB ran in the Berlin final, faster than VCB ran in the Osaka final, faster than VCB in the Helsinki final and would earn Jeter a medal in every World Championships 200m final since 1999, as well as Sydney. So, let's not poo poo this as anything other than a great performance in April.

Whether she improves as she should we'll have to wait and see.

[notorious]

22.31 is a fantastic opener so early in the season. To suggest it's anything other is ridiculous. It's faster than she ran herself in the Daegu final (and of course faster than Felix) and, notorious, faster than VCB ran in the Berlin final, faster than VCB ran in the Osaka final, faster than VCB in the Helsinki final and would earn Jeter a medal in every World Championships 200m final since 1999, as well as Sydney. So, let's not poo poo this as anything other than a great performance in April.

Whether she improves as she should we'll have to wait and see.

When Jeter can break 22 seconds, you can give me a call

[notorious]

Jeter opens solidly at 22.31 today

http://www.royalresults.com/liveresults/120412F036.htm

This girl just keeps impressing me!

No need to get too excited. What was the wind?

Well, you got excited by a 9.90/1.6, and in terms of the status quo, this upsets it more than the 9.90.

Well, I see your lack of comments in that Utech thread very troubling to say it mildly

[notorious]

Article on Felix
http://www.the-signal.com/section/22/article/63611/

Felix's problem is not endurance. Her 400m endurance is much better than either of her competitors(VC and Jeter).

Felix's problem is her sprint speed. Lets compare their 100m PB

VC(10.76)
Jeter (10.64)
Felix(10.93 many moons ago).

When both of her competitors blaze the curve as in Daegu, Felix is too far behind then and even though she comes on strongly towards the end of the race, its just not enough.

To me it is very simple if she wants to be 200m Olympic Champion

1. Continue work on endurance in preseason
2. She needs to do more sprint work and get faster over 100. She needs to be somewhat close to these ladies at 100m in a 200m race for her to have a chance to beat them. She lost to VC in both 2004 and 2008 because she is too far behind at 100m.
3. Do not double. Just focus on 200m in London.

[gennady]

Some statistics about the beginnings of the seasons of all time.
1.21,84A -1,1 Marion Jones Roodeport 19.03.1999 SB=21.77
2.21,98 -1,2 Marion Jones Sydney 28.02.1998 SB=21.62
_.22,06A 0,7 Evette de Klerk Pietersburg 08.04.1989 SB end of the season
3.22,28 2,0 Pam Marshall Walnut 27.04.1986 SB=22.12
4.22,31 1,5 Carmelita Jeter Westwood 14.04.2012
_.22,32 -0,5 Melinda Gainsford-Taylor Hobart 26.02.1994 SB middle of the season
5.22,32 0,9 Veronica Campbell-Brown Lawrence, KS 17.04.2010 SB=21.98
6.22,33 -1,6 Inger Miller Walnut 17.04.1993 SB
_.22,33 -2,6 Melinda Gainsford-Taylor Sydney 05.03.1995 SB end of the season
7.22,34 1,9 Dannette Young Walnut 24.04.1988
_.22,35 1,8 Denise Boyd Sydney 23.03.1980 SB end of the season
8.22,35 Merlene Ottey Des Moines 11.04.1981 SB

The most quick start of season over the past 13 years.

[t_monk]

Some statistics about the beginnings of the seasons of all time.
1.21,84A -1,1 Marion Jones Roodeport 19.03.1999 SB=21.77
2.21,98 -1,2 Marion Jones Sydney 28.02.1998 SB=21.62
_.22,06A 0,7 Evette de Klerk Pietersburg 08.04.1989 SB end of the season
3.22,28 2,0 Pam Marshall Walnut 27.04.1986 SB=22.12
4.22,31 1,5 Carmelita Jeter Westwood 14.04.2012
_.22,32 -0,5 Melinda Gainsford-Taylor Hobart 26.02.1994 SB middle of the season
5.22,32 0,9 Veronica Campbell-Brown Lawrence, KS 17.04.2010 SB=21.98
6.22,33 -1,6 Inger Miller Walnut 17.04.1993 SB
_.22,33 -2,6 Melinda Gainsford-Taylor Sydney 05.03.1995 SB end of the season
7.22,34 1,9 Dannette Young Walnut 24.04.1988
_.22,35 1,8 Denise Boyd Sydney 23.03.1980 SB end of the season
8.22,35 Merlene Ottey Des Moines 11.04.1981 SB

The most quick start of season over the past 13 years.

Hmm.... Few actually improve on their time apparently...

[JumboElliott]

Apparently UCLA doesn't have a mondo track .. Could this have been even faster at a place like Eugene?

[gh]

The 4x100 at this meet was interesting... I wish I saw the meet results for this... Felix beat Jeter to the line in the 4x100. Looking at the names in the 4x100 you would also think that Jeter's team on paper does look better....

Event 21 Women 4x100 Meter Relay
========================================================================
School Seed Finals
========================================================================
Finals
1 Bobby Kersee All-Stars 'A' 42.99 42.65
1) Powell, Jenny 2) Turnbull, Jennba
3) Harper, Dawn 4) Felix, Allyson ....

OK, I give up; who's Jennba Turnbull?

[gh]

A really bad mangling of Jeneba Tarmoh?

[guru]

A really bad mangling of Jeneba Tarmoh?

Pretty much what I assumed when I saw it yesterday. Supposedly she's been with the Kersee group for several months

[t_monk]

A really bad mangling of Jeneba Tarmoh?

Pretty much what I assumed when I saw it yesterday. Supposedly she's been with the Kersee group for several months

That is my only guess.....

[26mi235]

When Jeter can break 22 seconds, you can give me a call

So is VCB in 21.x shape; how many times has she run 21 since 2008? I VCB is supposed to be the best of all time and Jeter just put in an April race that was the equal of VCB's 2011 Gold medal year, then you cannot be hiding behind such a ridiculous statement. If VCB has run that time you would have it in large, bold letters...

[wamego relays champ]

Looks like Felix also ran the 3rd leg of the 4x400.

Actually, Felix and Jeter both anchored.

But Felix had at least a 10m lead on Jeter when she got the stick; just too much for Jeter to seriously think about challenging (especially in her first competition).

The gap may have closed a little bit, but not by much as Felix brought her team home in a world-leading time.

.

[ATK]

Looks like Felix also ran the 3rd leg of the 4x400.

Actually, Felix and Jeter both anchored.

But Felix had at least a 10m lead on Jeter when she got the stick; just too much for Jeter to seriously think about challenging (especially in her first competition).

The gap may have closed a little bit, but not by much as Felix brought her team home in a world-leading time.

.

4x400m
not 4x100m.

[running4life]

When Jeter can break 22 seconds, you can give me a call

So is VCB in 21.x shape; how many times has she run 21 since 2008? I VCB is supposed to be the best of all time and Jeter just put in an April race that was the equal of VCB's 2011 Gold medal year, then you cannot be hiding behind such a ridiculous statement. If VCB has run that time you would have it in large, bold letters...

So now your saying that Jeter is a better 200 runner than VCB?
I am sure VCB will be back in 2010 shape pretty soon, she is now training and will be focusing more on the 200 this year because she wants to make history.So VCB will be running some great times this year in the 200.
When Jeter does break 22 then VCB should be worried.Until then VCB is still the queen B of the 200.

[notorious]

When Jeter can break 22 seconds, you can give me a call

So is VCB in 21.x shape; how many times has she run 21 since 2008? I VCB is supposed to be the best of all time and Jeter just put in an April race that was the equal of VCB's 2011 Gold medal year, then you cannot be hiding behind such a ridiculous statement. If VCB has run that time you would have it in large, bold letters...

No way in hell will Jeter beat Veronica over 200m in London even though you wish that would happen.

Veronica is a superior 200m runner and her Olympic medals over the years has proven that.

Does Jeter have any Olympic medals of any color?

[running4life]

When Jeter can break 22 seconds, you can give me a call

So is VCB in 21.x shape; how many times has she run 21 since 2008? I VCB is supposed to be the best of all time and Jeter just put in an April race that was the equal of VCB's 2011 Gold medal year, then you cannot be hiding behind such a ridiculous statement. If VCB has run that time you would have it in large, bold letters...

No way in hell will Jeter beat Veronica over 200m in London even though you wish that would happen.

Veronica is a superior 200m runner and her Olympic medals over the years has proven that.

Does Jeter have any Olympic medals of any color?

Thank notorious people love to sleep on VCB.

[guru]

No way in hell will Jeter beat Veronica over 200m in London even though you wish that would happen.

Veronica is a superior 200m runner and her Olympic medals over the years has proven that.

Yes, well Jeter has only been running the 200 seriously since last year, and her 100 speed will make her increasingly dangerous in the longer sprint as her experience and endurance catch up.

I wouldnt bet my house that Jeter will beat VCB in the 200 in London, but only a fool would dismiss her out of hand, for the reasons I stated.

[JumboElliott]

VCB is the favorite, but I would give the field a (slightly) greater than 50% chance of beating her.

[26mi235]

When Jeter can break 22 seconds, you can give me a call

So is VCB in 21.x shape; how many times has she run 21 since 2008? I VCB is supposed to be the best of all time and Jeter just put in an April race that was the equal of VCB's 2011 Gold medal year, then you cannot be hiding behind such a ridiculous statement. If VCB has run that time you would have it in large, bold letters...

So now your saying that Jeter is a better 200 runner than VCB?
I am sure VCB will be back in 2010 shape pretty soon, she is now training and will be focusing more on the 200 this year because she wants to make history.So VCB will be running some great times this year in the 200.
When Jeter does break 22 then VCB should be worried.Until then VCB is still the queen B of the 200.

It really is not that tough.

notorious: When Jeter can break 22 give me a call -- interpretation, this time is a yawner.

me: I asked how many times VCB has been in that sub-22 shape recently (no response to that one). Then mentioned that this apparent yawner was the equal of VCB's Gold-winning mark and anything else she did in 2011. Are either of those things at all inaccurate? If not, then Jeter's time is far from being a yawner.

Now, where did I say that she was better than VCB? I do not see that statement being made and I do not see a statement that implies that. But, to say that this is a yawner is the height of notorious' 'fanboi' blinders.

By the way, I also am of the opinion that the 100s run by the Jamaicans are far from mail-in-yawners. Both Blake's 9.90/1.6 and the relay leg by Bolt are very impressive. If I have to bet on the Silver medalist this year, Blake gets my early vote (based mainly off who he was beating and how in both the 100 and 200 and that given his age (and the injury pause that makes his age even more of a factor) he has more room for growth than any of the other contenders. Given that he won the WC Gold and then ran 19.26, upside means big things (can he overtake his training mate in another 24 months?).

[Gabriella]

VCB and Felix have nearly half a second buffer on PBs between themselves and Jeter, and as Jeter is the oldest you'd think that, if all in top form, Jeter would be fighting for bronze at best.

However, it's never that simple. Felix is messing about with which event she should be focussing on and thus her form over 200m has dropped. VCB still wants that 100m title and herself has to prioritize her focus. Jeter has no Olympic medal whatsoever and will put herself under tremendous pressure to make the team and then win.

Felix is 26 while VCB will be 30 next month. This should be the perfect opportunity for Felix to win Olympic gold as she should be at her peak now, whereas VCB in theory shouldnt. But Felix hasn't shown her best 200m form for a while and as notorious and others have said, if she really does want that 200m title more than anything she needs to work on her 100m speed and being able to sustain that speed for as long as possible. Something Kersee knows how to coach ...see Flo Jo.

The Daegu 200m was exciting because before the gun we really didnt know who was going to win. London could be that again, but hopefully much faster. Come Rio and we wont be seeing Jeter and VCB fighting for gold.

Let's not forget the other threats though. Kerron Stewart has a lot of potential in this event, if she chooses to put the work in. Fraser-Pryce also has tremendous potential here and has hinted she wants to go for the double. I'm waiting for another American to step it up too.

[Speedster]

For me, Jeter's early 200m has a positive impact on her 100m chances as well. She's been known for her midrace and second half, but it could always be stronger and this time shows good endurance.

Without seeing the race, but looking at the times, she might have run the home straight alone (22.81 in second), and she could have run quicker with some competition - would be good to hear from anyone who was there.

I read in one of the threads that it was likely that VCB and Jeter were to race each other over the 200m in the next few weeks??? Am I dreaming?