Was just reading some comments from a very recent interview with Edwin Moses who claimed to be "using ice baths 25 years ago when such an idea was considered kooky".
Is this really true? When was your first memory of ice-baths being used for recovery?
I can recall reading some books about Aussie sportsmen in the 1960s that referred to the 'traditional Aussie' recovery method being 'an icy cold beer in an icy cold bath', let alone more natural snow/ice plunges in Scandinavia.
I arrived at WSU 42 years ago and they were using ice baths then.
I remember being made by the trainers to have ice baths a couple of times for muscle injuries. Not the most pleasant thing in the world one can do. The trainers back in those days all appeared to live by the code of "ICE". * Ice * Compression * Elevation
Vault-emort wrote:Was just reading some comments from a very recent interview with Edwin Moses who claimed to be "using ice baths 25 years ago when such an idea was considered kooky".
Is this really true? When was your first memory of ice-baths being used for recovery?
I can recall reading some books about Aussie sportsmen in the 1960s that referred to the 'traditional Aussie' recovery method being 'an icy cold beer in an icy cold bath', let alone more natural snow/ice plunges in Scandinavia.
Ice baths are used by many world class athletes currently for recovery.
Tuariki wrote:I arrived at WSU 42 years ago and they were using ice baths then.
I remember being made by the trainers to have ice baths a couple of times for muscle injuries. Not the most pleasant thing in the world one can do. The trainers back in those days all appeared to live by the code of "ICE". * Ice * Compression * Elevation
They still do or sometimes they call it RICE (Rest). Any major collegiate meet will it (hidden?) somewhere
Like it has already been stated ice baths were not kooky at all way back when and have been around a long time. We used them routinely on our college track team in the early 80's, and my brother's college team in the 70's used them all the time.
We’ve become addicted to enhanced recovery, obsessed with erasing as quickly as possible the pain, fatigue, and inflammation that come from a hard workout. But some top scientists and coaches have adopted a new line of thinking: stress is a good thing, because it forces the body to adapt, repair itself, and come back stronger.
Daisy wrote:Anyone seen the recent Outside article?
We’ve become addicted to enhanced recovery, obsessed with erasing as quickly as possible the pain, fatigue, and inflammation that come from a hard workout. But some top scientists and coaches have adopted a new line of thinking: stress is a good thing, because it forces the body to adapt, repair itself, and come back stronger.
Where were you when I was bloodied on stress/immune system discussion?
BTW, I do not comprehend mechanism of supposed therapeutic benefits of ice baths. To me it makes no sense to prevent blood supply to tissues. I know it has been practiced forever and there are many testimonials as to its benefits. Does anybody have solid, evidence based support for the practice?
Daisy wrote:Anyone seen the recent Outside article?
We’ve become addicted to enhanced recovery, obsessed with erasing as quickly as possible the pain, fatigue, and inflammation that come from a hard workout. But some top scientists and coaches have adopted a new line of thinking: stress is a good thing, because it forces the body to adapt, repair itself, and come back stronger.
Daisy wrote:Anyone seen the recent Outside article?
We’ve become addicted to enhanced recovery, obsessed with erasing as quickly as possible the pain, fatigue, and inflammation that come from a hard workout. But some top scientists and coaches have adopted a new line of thinking: stress is a good thing, because it forces the body to adapt, repair itself, and come back stronger.
Pego wrote:BTW, I do not comprehend mechanism of supposed therapeutic benefits of ice baths. To me it makes no sense to prevent blood supply to tissues. I know it has been practiced forever and there are many testimonials as to its benefits. Does anybody have solid, evidence based support for the practice?
Concur. I have expressly forbidden any of my athletes from partaking. I am not convinced that anything good comes the excessive cold. I have no problem with ice packs on the affected area, but even then you take it off every couple of minutes.
You can find anything on the internet to support or refute a belief, but a wiki excerpt sez:
There is little solid scientific research to support a case that ice baths are either beneficial or detrimental for athletes. Professor Kenneth L. Knight of Brigham Young University said there is no evidence to either support or refute the claim that ice-bath treatments, reduces inflammation. Runner'sWorld.com executive editor Mark Remy believes that ice-bath treatments are "bunk" opining that it is an "elaborate practical joke being played on runners." Physiotherapist Chris Bleakley of the University of Ulster reported that there are "no high-level scientific studies that say this is good for the body." There have been smaller-scale studies which either indicate no benefit or a detrimental effect, or that offer "inconclusive or contradictory findings."
For my Thoroughbred race horses, we use a fancy $84,000 unit known as a cold saltwater therapy machine, which is better than an ice bath, as 10 minutes in the machine is the equivalent of icing for up to 6 hours.
mrbowie wrote:For my Thoroughbred race horses, we use a fancy $84,000 unit known as a cold saltwater therapy machine, which is better than an ice bath, as 10 minutes in the machine is the equivalent of icing for up to 6 hours.
Could you spend a few minutes and answer these questions for my curiosity? I think your results could be extrapolated to human pathology, at least to some degree.
1. When do you apply it? 2. How often and what are the criteria for repetition? 3. What kind of results do you see and are they fairly consistent? 4. Do you see adverse effects in performance, morbidity, mortality. 5. Oh yes, I almost forgot, what is the temperature of the bath?
Daisy wrote:Anyone seen the recent Outside article?
We’ve become addicted to enhanced recovery, obsessed with erasing as quickly as possible the pain, fatigue, and inflammation that come from a hard workout. But some top scientists and coaches have adopted a new line of thinking: stress is a good thing, because it forces the body to adapt, repair itself, and come back stronger.
Daisy wrote:Anyone seen the recent Outside article?
We’ve become addicted to enhanced recovery, obsessed with erasing as quickly as possible the pain, fatigue, and inflammation that come from a hard workout. But some top scientists and coaches have adopted a new line of thinking: stress is a good thing, because it forces the body to adapt, repair itself, and come back stronger.
Have you heard of Hans Selye and his theory of stress and adaptation? too much stress and the organism breaks down. just enough and it adapts. the new line of thinking is actually old. you just need to know when to facilitate recovery
