Marvin Bracy (HS, Florida) 55m 6.08

[Dave]

http://www.all-athletics.com/en-us/all-time-lists?env=I&event=10229550

From the all time bests - he's up there already, and ahead of some very successful athletes.

Interestingly Carl Lewis's 6.03 time is not in the world list.

Did you notice that Carl Lewis' fastest time on that page of 6.09 was second to Houston McTear at 6.07 in 1983?

[Giant Panda]

Intriguing to see the NFL receiver Raghib Ismail squarely among some very good sprinters.

[gennady]

http://www.all-athletics.com/en-us/all-time-lists?env=I&event=10229550

From the all time bests - he's up there already, and ahead of some very successful athletes.

Interestingly Carl Lewis's 6.03 time is not in the world list.

It is possible that when they wrote 6.03 - 55m, it is implied:
60y - 6.02 - Dallas, February 5 1983.

[mal]

http://www.all-athletics.com/en-us/all-time-lists?env=I&event=10229550

From the all time bests - he's up there already, and ahead of some very successful athletes.

Interestingly Carl Lewis's 6.03 time is not in the world list.

It is possible that when they wrote 6.03 - 55m, it is implied:
60y - 6.02 - Dallas, February 5 1983.

They never imply anything on a ranking list. Its on there or its not.

[Dave]

Has Bracy run since the 6.08?

[gh]

not that I know of; was supposed to be in Seattle last weekend but scratched.

[gh]

http://www.all-athletics.com/en-us/all-time-lists?env=I&event=10229550

From the all time bests - he's up there already, and ahead of some very successful athletes.

Interestingly Carl Lewis's 6.03 time is not in the world list.

It is possible that when they wrote 6.03 - 55m, it is implied:
60y - 6.02 - Dallas, February 5 1983.

They never imply anything on a ranking list. Its on there or its not.

And its not being there, the compilers are ignoring standard ATFS procedure, which is to add 0.01 to 60-yard times. The real top end looks like this (*=60y plus 0.01):

5.99(A) Obadele Thompson (Barbados) 2/22/97
6.00 Lee McRae (US) 3/14/86
6.02(A) Leonard Myles-Mills (Ghana) 2/22/97
6.03* Carl Lewis (US) 2/05/83
Sam Graddy (US) 3/14/86
6.04 McRae 2/14/87
Andre Cason (US) 3/09/90
(A) Ato Boldon (Trinidad) 2/01/97
(A) Thompson 2/21/97
6.05* Stanley Floyd (US) 1/31/81
* Floyd 1/31/81
* Lewis 2/25/83
Graddy 3/14/86
Brian Cooper (US) 2/13/88
Cooper 2/27/88
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
6.06* Houston McTear (US) 2/24/78
Fred Johnson (US) 3/16/85
Emmit King (US) 2/26/88
Tim Harden (US) 3/09/96
(A) Keith Williams (US) 2/15/97
(A) Syan Williams (Jamaica) 2/14/98
(A) Felix Andam (Ghana) 2/28/98
(A) Marcus Brunson (US) 2/20/99

[Blues]

As gh posted, Bracy scratched from the Brooks PR Meet in Seattle last weekend. It was reported in the Orlando Sentinel that because of a bruised knee he'd been unable to practice for several weeks prior to the meet.

[Dave]

Any updates on Mr. Bracy? Is he going to be able to run outdoors?

[Marlow]

Any updates on Mr. Bracy? Is he going to be able to run outdoors?

His only outdoor activity so far (we're actually past the half-way mark of the season!) was last weekend when he ran a 200 in 21.22 to win his conference (not district, which is in a month) meet by a second.

[JumboElliott]

He also ran an anchor leg on a 4x100 where he blew past Kermit Whitfield.

[Dave]

Any updates on Mr. Bracy? Is he going to be able to run outdoors?

His only outdoor activity so far (we're actually past the half-way mark of the season!) was last weekend when he ran a 200 in 21.22 to win his conference (not district, which is in a month) meet by a second.

That would be 3rd best time in the country per the T&F list. That is not a bad place to be. Of course, it is a long way from threatening any HS records.

[Gebrucilassie]

Any updates on Mr. Bracy? Is he going to be able to run outdoors?

Well the kid doesn't lack for confidence. I spoke with him briefly a month ago and asked him if he planned on trying to run in the trials like Jeff Demps had as a HSer. His reply was he was planning on making the team!!

[kellits2gnv]

Any updates on Mr. Bracy? Is he going to be able to run outdoors?

Well the kid doesn't lack for confidence. I spoke with him briefly a month ago and asked him if he planned on trying to run in the trials like Jeff Demps had as a HSer. His reply was he was planning on making the team!!

Heck, think that's something? In an interview a few days ago he said he wanted to run 9.9 at texas relays..

[Marlow]

Heck, think that's something? In an interview a few days ago he said he wanted to run 9.9 at texas relays..

Should he NOT want to run 9.9? It's not out the realm of possibility!

[kellits2gnv]

Heck, think that's something? In an interview a few days ago he said he wanted to run 9.9 at texas relays..

Should he NOT want to run 9.9? It's not out the realm of possibility!

I was more shocked at the idea that hes aiming to run, what would be a substantial HSR, in the middle of the season. Its completely rarified air for a high school sprinter to say they want to run sub 10 in March, let alone sub 10 at all.

[Marlow]

Its completely rarified air for a high school sprinter to say they want to run sub 10 in March, let alone sub 10 at all.

Except for the fact that the Florida HS outdoor season is more than half over and he's shown what kind of shape he's in already.

[Dave]

We will know soon enough about what sort of condition he can be in with the Texas Relays next week.

[Dutra5]

Have any of you ever spoken to a HS kid? They tend to lack a bit of perspective.

[bman]

Except for the fact that the Florida HS outdoor season is more than half over and he's shown what kind of shape he's in already.

What was Demps running at this point of his senior year?

[Marlow]

What was Demps running at this point of his senior year?

10.17 at the Florida Relays. Bracy was faster indoors.

[Dave]

Let's hope Bracy has better luck/coaching than Rynell Parsons.

There was a kid with phenomenal tools that seemed to implode due to injury or poor coaching.

[trackonthebrain]

He (Parsons) also tested positive, if I recall, prior to entering college.

[DentyCracker]

Parsons has asthma and had not declared his inhaler if I recall correctly

[JumboElliott]

Let's hope Bracy has better luck/coaching than Rynell Parsons.

There was a kid with phenomenal tools that seemed to implode due to injury or poor coaching.

:Scratches head: You know that you're talking about a 21 year old?

[Dave]

Let's hope Bracy has better luck/coaching than Rynell Parsons.

There was a kid with phenomenal tools that seemed to implode due to injury or poor coaching.

:Scratches head: You know that you're talking about a 21 year old?

I do. Have you noticed that Mr. Parsons hasn't come close to his best HS times since going to LSU? Look at the LSU site: http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.db ... ID=3673080

This is far more ordinary than you would have expected for the young man when you look back at his early HS times.

[Marlow]

Have you noticed that Mr. Parsons hasn't come close to his best HS times since going to LSU? Look at the LSU site

Here's what I see:

2010
Battled a hamstring injury throughout the indoor season ... Received a redshirt during the outdoor season.

2011
Posted a 2011 wind-legal seasonal best of 10.28
Pulled up with an injury in the conference final
Won the 100-meter title in his outdoor debut at the LSU Tiger Relays with a seasonal-best wind-aided time of 10.24 in the final
clocked a wind-aided 10.24 at the Texas Relays




Now go back and look at Michael Johnson's first few years at Baylor . . .
You have dismissed Parsons way too soon.

[Dave]

Have you noticed that Mr. Parsons hasn't come close to his best HS times since going to LSU? Look at the LSU site

Here's what I see:

2010
Battled a hamstring injury throughout the indoor season ... Received a redshirt during the outdoor season.

2011
Posted a 2011 wind-legal seasonal best of 10.28
Pulled up with an injury in the conference final
Won the 100-meter title in his outdoor debut at the LSU Tiger Relays with a seasonal-best wind-aided time of 10.24 in the final
clocked a wind-aided 10.24 at the Texas Relays




Now go back and look at Michael Johnson's first few years at Baylor . . .
You have dismissed Parsons way too soon.

I hope you are correct. I would love to see him really improve over his HS era performances. Also, let it be noted that I did mention injury in my first comment.

My real hope here is that Mr. Bracy is well enough coached that he can run to his potential and continue to improve. We all see that it doesn't always work out.

[Marlow]

My real hope here is that Mr. Bracy is well enough coached that he can run to his potential and continue to improve. We all see that it doesn't always work out.

My totally not-substantiated observation is that early maturers tend to continue to age faster than others, which makes them more injury-prone.

[Dave]

My real hope here is that Mr. Bracy is well enough coached that he can run to his potential and continue to improve. We all see that it doesn't always work out.

My totally not-substantiated observation is that early maturers tend to continue to age faster than others, which makes them more injury-prone.

Given your coaching experience, I'll assume you are correct.

[mal]

My real hope here is that Mr. Bracy is well enough coached that he can run to his potential and continue to improve. We all see that it doesn't always work out.

My totally not-substantiated observation is that early maturers tend to continue to age faster than others, which makes them more injury-prone.

I don't know his physical maturity, maybe you do, unless you are saying that running fast at an early age is a sign of early maturation.

Exhibit 1. Usain Bolt.

Now how did that work out for him?

[26mi235]

When assessing the implications of the 6.08, it was run with a speed that would normally get a sprinter a 6.13-6.17. The starting jump is not easily replicated but the speed is the important element and why we care.

[Marlow]

I don't know his physical maturity, maybe you do, unless you are saying that running fast at an early age is a sign of early maturation.
Exhibit 1. Usain Bolt.
Now how did that work out for him?

Some athletic prodigies look very 'cut/defined/built' well before 18. Bracy's physique is mature. In pictures I've seen of Bolt at 16, he looked like a string bean.

[mal]

I don't know his physical maturity, maybe you do, unless you are saying that running fast at an early age is a sign of early maturation.
Exhibit 1. Usain Bolt.
Now how did that work out for him?

Some athletic prodigies look very 'cut/defined/built' well before 18. Bracy's physique is mature. In pictures I've seen of Bolt at 16, he looked like a string bean.

You guys think too much. Christie ran 10.48 as a 24 year old. And I suspect he was pretty 'mature' / 'cut'. Then he got faster.

I'm happy to lay back and watch how he develops or doesn't.

[Marlow]

You guys think too much. Christie ran 10.48 as a 24 year old. And I suspect he was pretty 'mature' / 'cut'. Then he got faster.
I'm happy to lay back and watch how he develops or doesn't.

You're talking about a completely different kind of individual.