He was in my top ten although a forget the exact location. I think this was due to the fact that I was in the stands the night he won gold in 19:32. That was ridiculous! I also witnessed him run 19.85 on a cold night in Edinburgh which was unbelievable too. I thought the clock had to be wrong that night.
mump boy wrote:another with loads of votes and a relatively low score
Interesting way to look at it. So far, of the athletes with three votes or more, the most popular are:
Glenn Davis 3 55 Marita Koch 5 88 Tommie Smith 5 85
I'm wondering if Bolt wasn't "hurt" by the fact that he's still competing; otherwise, his proximity to Michael Johnson is kind of funny. (When I measure personality, showmanship [he did run sideways through the 200 finish one year] and other things that endear fans to an athlete MJ comes up shorter than say Bolt, but...I like MJ. Performance matters!)
Until Bolt comes along Michael Johnson had the most DEFINITIVE performance on the track at an Olympics since 1968 (I don't count BJ's discounted 100's). And, many of us [read: me] just attributed Lee Evans' 43.86A to altitude and figured that it would take a heroic effort to break it...something achieved by Butch Reynolds with his 43.29 - a time that Reynolds would never again eclipse. Michael Johnson ran 43.86 or better 15 times, finally finishing with a WR of 43.18 (he still has the OR of 43.44).
And, then then he ran 19.32! WTF! 19.32! W? 19? T? 32? F? 19.32? Is that right? 19.32? Did you see that? 19.32! I can't believe it! 19.32! Did you see that? That's Unbelievable! 19.32! Did you see that? He ran 19.32! "NINETEEN THIRTY TWO!!!" Did you see that? "IT WILL NEVER BE BROKEN!!!" Un-eff-in-believable!!! Did you see that? (can I get an Amen if you reacted the same way)
And, he did it in GOLD shoes. I don't even think Flash wore gold shoes. The god Hermes had winged sandals and I don't think they were gold but I think it fitting that his sponsors name stands for god of speed and they had the foresight to make gold shoes. MJ was Bolt - before Bolt became Bolt. (and even HE is a fan of Bolt) The only thing Johnson has left is 43.18 that exists but for the whim of Bolt - and a trackandfieldnews favorites list one spot up. For now.
If there were a "Mt. Rushmore of Athletics" (or maybe this is for a different thread) I would put Johnson on it!
Daisy wrote:He was in my top ten although a forget the exact location. I think this was due to the fact that I was in the stands the night he won gold in 19:32. That was ridiculous!
I had both Johnson and Bolt in my list but not super high. Johnson was 12th and Bolt was 18th. For Johnson, seeing the 19.32 in person makes it pretty much impossible to not have him on the list. I remember Marlow commenting, " what a terrible time for the timing system to malfunction". I don't know if that is what I thought, but I definitely was in shock when the time went up on the screen. For Bolt it is personality and performance. Bolt is the only athlete I really ever talk to non track fans about. When I talk to my daughter about Bolt, we have started just referring to him as "The Alien". His performances are simply other worldly.
All but two of mine are in, and those two are likely at the top (since they aren't otherwise on the list, and they owned their particular events while in their prime), although one of them is my #3 and the other is my #8.
This has been an interesting exercise - it reminded me of athletes who didn't make my list, and should have, but were victims of lousy memory. And if I were to do it all over again, several on my list would likely occupy different positions, since trying to separate favorites isn't a particularly easy task ("ok, what makes athlete number 13 better than number 14"), so I tended to simply group my favorites in relative, but probably not exact, order.
I only had 2 sprinters on my list - probably could have had a couple more I only had one shot putter and one platter tosser I only had 2 hurdlers on the list Had 4 marathoners... (my #1 was Shorter) That leaves 10 who were essentially 800 - 10K, most were milers (my #2 was Scott) Only 2 females, both distance types... probably could have had a couple more (see below)
Jesse Owens should have been on my list, but since his accomplishments were way before my time, I got caught up in "who did I see and read about", rather than include those who blazed a trail for many more to come... I can't believe I left Boston Billy off my list I can't believe I had Ryun so low on my list I can't believe I left Evelyn Ashford off my list - a class act... I was in love with Katrin Krabbe for a while... ahh, but the affair didn't last John Walker and his 3:49.4 didn't make my list... what was I thinking?
bman wrote:My problem with Bolt is that he doesn't really have an obsession with the sport like many on this list. He is a good guy no doubt about it but I tend to admire passion over other qualities. Usain just happened to be really good from a young age and stuck with it for that reason. I don't get the sense that he is a PhD student of the sprints, or will have a long career. I feel like I relate more to guys like MJ, Carl, Ben, Ato, John Smith, Lee Evans, Steve Williams etc.
Despite what we may think, there are other things in life besides track
I think one of the things we have all learned through this thing is how hypocritical our selections and sentiments about our heroes are. I really admire guys who see the big picture and use their platform to be altruistic towards others. I would have voted Tommie Smith and John Carlos towards the top for this reason. Of course this clashes with what I just wrote. I think at the end of the day we are basically choosing people we like and forming reasons for liking them afterwords .
pakillo wrote:PhD student I assume that was big punch in the face to all Jamaica students who actually studied something. I hope no one here is serious about that.
What? I did not intend to punch anyone in the face.
I agree bman."liking" an athlete is rather like liking a friend or mate-you just feel an attraction or positive feeling towards people-it can be hard to rational or even understand but it is what it is. This is why I won't enter into debates about it, much as the tguys would like us/me to.
Most of us do not really know the athletes we picked-they culd be complete jerks or the nicest people in the world. They could be Olympic gold medallists or "also runs". I don't really know why for example Bolt is not one of my favs-he has many of the attributes I look for and he seems like a great guy. Still I like many others more.
For example,from many accounts Mary Slaney is not a nice person but I idolized her growing up and those positive (ahem ahem) feelings are still there. She takes me back to being 15 and wanting to be half as good as she was. I think I trained just a bit harder and ran abit gutsier with her as a role model.
Not gonna overthink it-as I said before if I wrote my list now it would the same for the most part but I bet I would add and delete names based on my feelings that day (and also who popped into my feeble mind).
Both are the undisputed GOAT in their event, both have 2 Olympic Gold, both, one has 4 world champs gold medals the other would have at least 4 if the world champs were held in their era. One has world ranked No1 9 times in the same event, one was ranks No1 12 times over 3 events. One won 122 consecutive races, one broke 27 world records.
They both got 17 votes on our poll
but who is
Track and Field News' Favourite Athlete of all Time ??
Ed Moses was my #12 and my last. Saw Moses compete a couple of times. The 1976 silver medallist was Mike Shine who ended up replacing me as an assistant coach at USMA, West Point when my assignment at West Point was coming to an end.
I'm rather surprised with Ed Moses being so high, not because he doesn't deserve to be just because i didn't realise he was so popular, he's not someone you hear people talking about a lot. but i honestly can't think of anyone who is more deserving to be on this kind of list, absolute GOAT, lovely guy and a class act
That's exactly what I was going to say. I was shocked when I heard he'd ended up so high. Not that he doesn't deserve to be be just that despite his dominance his achievements seem to have been somewhat forgotten.
Obviously he was going to show up some where bjt he easily could have been in the 30's and I wouldn't have been surprised.
As it is I'm really glad to see him where he is.
The '87 WC race has got to be one of te greatest of all time in any event.
For the T&F fanatic, Edwin Moses is cherished not only for his records and championships won, but especially for the thoroughness of preparation. He studied the event and his own capabilities(13 all the way) like a law student for the bar exam - all in! You can't NOT admire a guy who 'appreciates' (in every sense of the word) what his event entails. He, like Jonathan Edwards, is a guy I tell my athletes about, in hopes that they come to understand what role preparation plays in an athlete's success.
mojo wrote:I agree bman."liking" an athlete is rather like liking a friend or mate-you just feel an attraction or positive feeling towards people-it can be hard to rational or even understand but it is what it is. This is why I won't enter into debates about it, much as the tguys would like us/me to.
mojo has it right.. there is no way to define and no need to defend personal favorites.
I USED to be a huge Edwin Moses fan, but unfortunately what I remember MOST about him is that he seemed ungracious in defeat in '88. He also "implied" that he may have been beaten by PED's... Champions take their beatings and don't make excuses, it was such a letdown.
I want to believe that all that he did before that would occlude that moment but it doesn't, it really let the air out. But, he HAD mystique, he had dominance and he had the conqueror's headgear - but I'm not sure if it's that of a King or a Sorcerer.
And Geb (#5), Catherine (#3) and MJ (#15) combining - with a few others who were not on my list - to give me the greatest live session of athletics I have ever seen (and probably will ever see). I'm sure most of you know the date..
Here is a complete list in the alphabetical orders. I tried to correct what I knew, but some errors clearly have to be there. This is probably as good as it gets without somebody's major expanse of time and energy.
Ackerman Rosie - T333 Adams Russel - T223 Adams-Villi Valerie - T47 Akabussi Kris - T296 Alekna Virgilius - 59 Antyukh Natalya - T366 Aouita Said - 65 Armstrong Dylan - T236 Arron Christine - T144 Ashford Evelyn - 7 Attlesey Richard - T191 Augusto Jessica - T393 Austin Charles - T62 Baala Mehdi - T202 Babakova Inga - T296 Bailey Donovan - T313 Banks Willie - 101 Bannister Roger - T144 Barnes Steve - T418 Barras Romain - T260 Barrios Yargelis - T348 Batten Kim - T366 Baumann Dieter - T175 Beamon Bob - T296 Beatty Jim - T115 Beatty Jim - T168 Bekele Kenenisa T141 Benhassi Hasna - T251 Benoit Joan - 57 Berutti Livio - 162 Bikila Abebe - 33 Blank Peter - T348 Blankers-Koen Fanny - 56 Board Lillian T185 Boit Mike - T348 Bolding Jim - T168 Boldon Ato - T134 Bolt Usain - 4 Bondarchuk Anatoliy - T175 Borgia Lazaro - T333 Boston Ralph - 69 Boysen Auden - T209 Bragg Don - T260 Branch Ricky - T418 Brasher Chris - T251 Brehmer Anke - T366 Breuer Grit - T175 Brewer Jim - T223 Brown Phil - T348 Browning Ross - T366 Brumel Valeriy - 22 Bubka Sergey - 38 Cabbler Monica - T418 Cacho Fermin - T418 Calhoun Lee - T131 Cameron Bert - T118 Campbell Milt - T348 Campbell-Brown Veronica - T115 Cantello Al - T366 Carlos John - T333 Carr Dennis - T393 Carr Henry - T236 Carter Mike - T380 Cassidy Quentin - T296 Chambers Dwain - T296 Chi Cheng - T393 Christie Linford - 105 Christie Linford - T159 Chudina Alexandra - T185 Clark Ron - 45 Clay Brian - T120 Coe Seb - 16 Coghlan Eamon - T141 Collins Kim - T151 Conley Mike - T273 Connolly Harold - T273 Corbey Ted - T380 Courtney Tom - T366 Cram Steve - T141 Cram Steve - T260 Crawford Shawn - T333 Cruz Joaquim - T125 Cuthbert Betty - T296 da Silva Fereira Adhemar - T418 Davenport Willie - T348 Davies Lynn - T333 Davis Glenn - 74 Davis Otis - T236 Deal Lance - T131 Defar Meseret - T418 Delis Luis - T418 Devers Gail - 31 Diagana Stephen - 126 Dial Joe - T260 Dibaba Tirunesh - 75 Didrikson Babe - T149 Diemer Brian - T168 Dix Walter - T380 Donkova Jordanka - T168 Dragila Stacy - T67 Drayton Jerome - T348 Drayton Paul - T273 Drechsler Heike - 19 Duplantis Mondo - T348 Dyaldin Maxim - T218 Eaton Ashton - T134 Edwards Jonathan - 40 El Guerrouj Hicham T96 Elliot Herb - 30 Ennis Jessica - 21 Ereng Paul - T366 Evans Lee - T218 Ewell Norwood - T418 Ewry Ray - T418 Famiglietti Antony - T418 Farah Mo - 51 Farmer-Patrick Sandra - T159 Faust Joe - T236 Favor-Hamilton Suzy - T236 Felicien Perdita - T380 Felix Allyson - 64 Fenton Lorraine - T348 Feuerbach Al - T141 Fibingerová Helena T218 Fikotová-Connolly Olga - T260 Fosbury Dick - T418 Foster Bridget - T366 Fraser-Price Shelly Ann - T155 Fredericks Frankie - 76 Freeman Cathy - 8 Fucci Drew - T236 Fukushi Kayoko - T393 Galfione Jean - 142 Gataulin Rodion - T175 Gatlin Justin - T313 Gay Tyson - T91 Gebresellasie Hailie - 1 George Emma - T366 George Walter - T236 Gill Jacko - 103 Glenn Brianna - T218 Godina John - T185 Göhr Marlies - 54 Green Charlie - T125 Green Joe - T418 Griffiths-Joyner Florence - 29 Gunnell Sally - T366 Günthor Werner - T313 Halberg Murry - T366 Hanson Asha - T418 Harper Dawn - T218 Harry Armin - T380 Harting Robert - T313 Hassay Jordan - T333 Hattestad Trine - T418 Hayes Bob - 55 Heine Jutt - T348 Hemmings Dionne - T366 Henkel Heike - 160 Herbert Llewelyn - T333 Hingsen Jürgen - T251 Holm Stefan - T84 Holm Uwe - T146 Holmes Kelly - T26 Hooker Steve - T251 Hudson Shiela - T251 Hutson Kylie - T273 Idowu Phillips - T333 Isinbayeva Yelena - 100 Jackson Colin - T149 James Larry - T131 James Larry - T191 Jarnvin Kip - T348 Jarrett Tony - T296 Jenner Bruce - T209 Jerome Harry - T223 Jimoh Fumni - T209 Johnson Allen - 41 Johnson Jan - T333 Johnson Michael - 3 Jones Hayes - T333 Jones Lolo - T236 Joyner-Kersee Jackie - 5 Juanterena Alberto - 49 Kaiser-Brown Natasha - T296 Kallur Susannah - T98 Kaniskina Olga - T313 Keino Kip - 34 Kennedy Bob - T348 Kilpatrick Charles - T418 King Leamon - T380 Kingdom Roger - T191 Kipchoge Eliud - T209 Kipketer Wilson - 32 Kiptanui Moses - T202 Klüft Carolina - 36 Koch Marita - 43 Kolosa Marion - T393 Komen Daniel - T251 Korzeniowski Robert - T273 Kotlyarova Olga - T185 Kotova Tatyana - T393 Kozakiewicz Vladislav - T333 Krabbe Katrin - T273 Kraenzlein Alvin - T251 Kratochvílová Jarmila T131 Kristiansen Ingrid - T418 Kuch Johnny - T260 Kumbernuss Astrid - T273 Kuts Vladimir - T209 Lagat Bernard - 28 Landy John - T333 Lannerman Sonia - 109 Lavillenie Renauld - T313 Lebedeva Tatyana - T82 Lehocká-Glesková Eva - T296 Lemaitre Christophe - T155 Lewis Carl - 6 Lewis Denise - 81 Lilaak Tina - T223 Lindgren Gerry - T94 Liquori Marty - T134 Little Kevin - T313 Litvinov Sergei - T380 Lomong Lopez - T380 Long Dallas - T418 Lowe-Howard Chaunte - T296 Lusis Janis - T251 Macey Dean - T62 Maree Sydney - T366 Marsh Mike - T260 Masterkova Svetlana - 111 Mathias Bob - 102 Mathias Bob - T149 Matson Ollie - T202 Matson Randy - T251 Matzdorf Pat - T191 May Fiona - T82 Mbango Francoise - T236 McKinley Herb - T313 Melinte Doina - 90 Mesnil Romaine - 93 Milburn Rob - T366 Miles Jearl - 152 Miller Inger - T273 Mills Billy - T141 Mimoun Alain - T313 Mirra Jonni - T209 Moro Gerry - T218 Morrow Bobby - 53 Moses Ed - 2 Mottram Craig - T418 Murer Fabiana - T236 Murofushi Koji - 104 Mutola Maria - 13 Myers Lawrence - T296 Myricks Larry - T418 Nehemiah Renaldo - 35 Nelson Adam - T120 Nix Sunder - T333 Noolo Erki - T141 Nurmi Paavo - T26 Obergföll Christina - T175 Obikwelu Francis - T380 O'Brian Dan - 38 O'Brien Perry - 79 Oerter Al - 14 Ogunkoya Falilat - T202 Ohourogu Christine - T202 Oldfield Brian - 46 Olijars Stanislaw - T122 Olmstead Doug - T251 O'Sullivan Marcus - T380 O'Sullivan Sonia - 161 Ottey Merlene - 9 Ovett Steve - 15 Owens Jesse - 25 Packer Anne - T296 Paivarinta Pekka - T185 Pascoe Alan - T273 Paulino Tina - T185 Pearson Sally - 106 Pedroso Ivan - T91 Perec Marie-Jose - T67 Perlov Andrei - T333 Peters Mary - T60 Phillips Dwight - T313 Pirie Gordon - T251 Plaatjes Mark - T380 Plachý Jozef - T218 Plummer Adolf - T296 Potapovich Igor - T185 Powell Asafa - T296 Powell Mike - T87 Prandzeva Iva - T296 Prefontain Steve - 24 Price-Smith Connie - T155 Privalova Irina - 66 Pukstys Tom - T393 Quarrie Don - 58 Quirot Anna - 20 Radcliffe Paula - 10 Rand Mary - T122 Ratty Seppo - T115 Reese Brittny - T393 Reynolds Butch - T236 Rhimes Jen - T273 Rhoden George - T296 Ribeiro Fernando - T236 Richards Sanya - T202 Richardson Mark - T393 Robles Dayron - T251 Rono Henry - 48 Rose Nick - T202 Rosenthal Heidi - T313 Rudolph Wilma - 71 Ryun, Jim - 17 Sacramento Carla - T175 Saladino Irving - T273 Salazar Alberto - T366 Samaria Agnes - T366 Samolenko Tatyana - T159 Sanchez Felix - T141 Sanderson Tessa - T87 Saneyev Viktor - T118 Savigne Yargelis - T251 Schmidt Kate - T251 Schmidt Wolfgang - T202 Schull Bob - T296 Schult Jürgen - T296 Scott Steve - 112 Seagren Bob - T96 Šebrle Roman - 37 Sedykh Juriy - T333 Semenya Caster - T146 Shaheen Saif Saaed - T223 Sheaffer Skip - T380 Shelton Ernie - T218 Shorter Frank -23 Silver Ruis - T333 Sime Dave - 110 Simon Lydia - T313 Simpson-Barringer Jen - T296 Sjoberg Patrick - T273 Skobla Jiří - T348 Slaney Mary - 42 Slijkhuis Wilem - T209 Slupianek Ilona - T313 Smith Calvin - T98 Smith John - T313 Smith Kim - T185 Smith Rutger - T348 Smith Tommie - 44 Snell Peter - 18 So Shingeru - T418 Solinsky Chris - T366 Song Kee-Chong -T348 Sotherton Kelly - T191 Sotomayor Javier - T393 Southern Eddie - T333 Stanciu Anisoara - T333 Stewart Jessie - T313 Stone Dwight - T151 Strickland Shirley - T168 Sturrup Sandra - T236 Suhr Jenn - T296 Szabó Gabi - T168 Szewinska Irena - 28 Taylor Christian - T380 Tergat Paul - T84 Thompson Daily - 12 Thompson Kemal - T418 Thorkildsen Andreas T77 Thorpe Jim - T60 Thränhardt Carlo - T313 Tirlea Ionela - T296 Tollefson Carrie - T260 Torrence Gwen - T77 Tosa Reiko - T418 Tulu Derartu - T144 Usha PT - T118 Van Langen Ellen - T251 Van Zyl L.J. - T418 Vigneron Thierry - T202 Viren Lasse - 50 Vlašić Blanka T87 Vriesde Leatitia - T191 Waitz Grete - 52 Walker John - T125 Wang Junxia - T202 Wanjiru Sammy - T418 Wariner Jeremy - 86 Watts Quincey - T380 Wessinghage Thomas - T393 Wheating Andrew - T273 Whitfield Mal - T175 Wilkinson Mac - T94 Williams Jeff - T218 Williams Lauren - T366 Williams Percy - T313 Williams Steve - T185 Williams Ulis - 156 Wilson Paul - T393 Wint Arthur - T333 Wockel Barbel - T393 Wolhuter Rick - T296 Woods George - T418 Wottle Dave - T296 Xanthou Nikki - T333 Xiang Liu - 47 Yashchenko Vladimir - T202 Yifter Miruts - T260 Zátopek Emil - 11 Zátopková Dana - T202 Železný Jan - 70