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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS 32nd-28th

Postby Pego » Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:50 am

mump boy wrote:
Daisy wrote:
mump boy wrote:Valerie Vili
Tirunesh Dibaba
Bernard Lagat

Good thing some one is keeping track ;)


not me !!

i've actually lost my list so i can't go and work out where they were if i didn't post it !!

I know Baby Face had was 75th (3 votes and 48 points) but i called her Deratu Tulu !! who had already left.

now i have to track the others down :(


This will be corrected at once.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS 32nd-28th

Postby TN1965 » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:25 pm

mump boy wrote:
Daisy wrote:
mump boy wrote:Valerie Vili
Tirunesh Dibaba
Bernard Lagat

Good thing some one is keeping track ;)


not me !!

i've actually lost my list so i can't go and work out where they were if i didn't post it !!

I know Baby Face had was 75th (3 votes and 48 points) but i called her Deratu Tulu !! who had already left.

now i have to track the others down :(


Dibaba was my #1, and I was thinking how popular she was compared to Defar...

Anyway, I chose her for the same reason I chose Allyson. She is such a beautiful runner to watch. If you ask me whose running form I wish I had, my #1 pick would be her. I also wish I could run like Allyson, but I have never been a sprinter.

And I will comment on Lagat when his ranking is posted.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby mump boy » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:56 pm

i will but not till we get to the end of the list

I'll have to go back to people's original lists and start from scratch

Sorry :(
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby nbonaddio » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:27 pm

26mi235 wrote:I might have had him on my list, especially since I now know his sister and coach. I would like to see him racing again, but his days at the top are done and we might just see very credible marks from intermittent training [like one this winter of 48, I think.]


I'd love to see a return too, but I know it's unlikely. He's got a lovely family and is getting into coaching from what I understand; there are far worse outcomes than that.

I spoke to him only once, in the waiting area for the 4x400m relay at the DIII Championships. It was my first time there and I was frankly very intimidated by the moment; he at that point was a regular at the top of the podium. I simply mumbled "good luck". I was sheepish about being starstruck, while he was surely equally sheepish about being seen as a star.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby bman » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:07 pm

Moses Bolt Johnson Gebrselassie Bannister.... Thats 5.... Only 4 remaining.... does not compute :lol:
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Tuariki » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:45 pm

bman wrote:Moses Bolt Johnson Gebrselassie Bannister.... Thats 5.... Only 4 remaining.... does not compute :lol:


Wow!! Obviously you can count. If I add in David Rudisha to that list then .....Thats 6..and with only 4 remaining that doesn't compute either.

What I find puzzling is I have not noticed anyone having listed those 5 names as being the remaining favourites to be listed. A few of us (Daisy, Marlow and me) have made it known that we are guessing the last 4 will be Moses Bolt Johnson Gebrselassie.

Didn't see anyone mention Bannister as being in the final 4 which will be a huge surprise if he does miss out given the great importance the English speaking world placed on the 4 minute mile. Arguably the greatest iconic milestone in TnF history.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby spvxv0 » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:13 pm

bman wrote:Moses Bolt Johnson Gebrselassie Bannister.... Thats 5.... Only 4 remaining.... does not compute :lol:


I have 4 left (my #5,9,14 &19). :-)
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Daisy » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:09 pm

Tuariki wrote:Didn't see anyone mention Bannister as being in the final 4 which will be a huge surprise if he does miss out given the great importance the English speaking world placed on the 4 minute mile. Arguably the greatest iconic milestone in TnF history.

And a bit ironic given how many here think he should be lighting the Olympic flame despite the brits not jumping on that bandwagon :)

Kuha had both Landy, Bannister and Santee in his list. But he, along with Conor, were DQ'ed on page three or four :cry:
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Flumpy » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:53 am

This is very strange because Valerie Villi was one of my picks and I remember her being mentioned very early on. I'm pretty certain mump voted for her as well so she had at least 2 votes.

I'm sure I saw her placed at one point :?
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby mump boy » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:40 am

There are people mentioned above who have already left some of them i remember entering others have just been left off i'm afraid.

I've found my list so i can confirm that

202ndChristine Ohourogu (1 vote 16 points)
144th Roger Bannister (2 votes 17 points)
75th Tirunesh Dibaba (3 votes 48 points)
47th Valerie Villi (5 votes 50 points) *
28th Bernard Legat (7 votes 81) **

*not actually 47th i'll count back when we get to the end
** not actually 28th etc etc

I'll give you a while to discuss these before posting No4
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Pego » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:19 am

mump boy wrote:There are people mentioned above who have already left some of them i remember entering others have just been left off i'm afraid.

I've found my list so i can confirm that

202ndChristine Ohourogu (1 vote 16 points)
144th Roger Bannister (2 votes 17 points)
75th Tirunesh Dibaba (3 votes 48 points)
47th Valerie Villi (5 votes 50 points) *
28th Bernard Legat (7 votes 81) **

*not actually 47th i'll count back when we get to the end
** not actually 28th etc etc

I'll give you a while to discuss these before posting No4


I added all of them to the list. To make additional adjustments will not be a problem.

I had the Babyface assassin on my list, now it is concluded.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby mump boy » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:47 am

Pego wrote:
mump boy wrote:There are people mentioned above who have already left some of them i remember entering others have just been left off i'm afraid.

I've found my list so i can confirm that

202ndChristine Ohourogu (1 vote 16 points)
144th Roger Bannister (2 votes 17 points)
75th Tirunesh Dibaba (3 votes 48 points)
47th Valerie Villi (5 votes 50 points) *
28th Bernard Legat (7 votes 81) **

*not actually 47th i'll count back when we get to the end
** not actually 28th etc etc

I'll give you a while to discuss these before posting No4



I had the Babyface assassin on my list, now it is concluded.



sorry i wrote her in as Deratu !!

If anyone else voted for people who really should have appeared by now please PM me and i'll see wheer they have disappeared to
I added all of them to the list. To make additional adjustments will not be a problem.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Tuariki » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:27 am

mump boy wrote:
Pego wrote:
mump boy wrote:There are people mentioned above who have already left some of them i remember entering others have just been left off i'm afraid.

I've found my list so i can confirm that

202ndChristine Ohourogu (1 vote 16 points)
144th Roger Bannister (2 votes 17 points)
75th Tirunesh Dibaba (3 votes 48 points)
47th Valerie Villi (5 votes 50 points) *
28th Bernard Legat (7 votes 81) **

*not actually 47th i'll count back when we get to the end
** not actually 28th etc etc

I'll give you a while to discuss these before posting No4


sorry i wrote her in as Deratu !!

If anyone else voted for people who really should have appeared by now please PM me and i'll see wheer they have disappeared to
I added all of them to the list. To make additional adjustments will not be a problem.

I had the Babyface assassin on my list, now it is concluded.


The following is taken from posting 1 which lists the results down to 21st place

mump boy wrote:
202nd (1 vote 16 points)

Dana Zatopekova
Falilat Ogunkoya
Mehdi Baala
Moses Kiptanui
Nick Rose
Ollie Matson
Sanya Richards (where's Track Daddy when you need him ?)
Thierrry Vigneron
Vladimir Yashchenko
Wang Junxia
Wolfgand Schmidt

144th (2 votes 17 points)

Deratu Tulu
Christine Arron

75th (3 votes 48 points)

Derartu Tulu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derartu_Tulu


[b]47th (5 votes 47 points)


Lui Xiang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Xiang


28th (7 votes 79 points)


Irena Szewinska
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Szewi%C5%84ska



So, as you can see

Christine Ohourogu is not listed as 202nd

Roger Bannister is not listed at 144th

Tirunesh Dibaba is not listed as 75th - it is her cousin Deratutu Tulu

Deratutu Tulu has been listed twice at 144th and again at 75th
I can see how she can be mixed up with her cousin Tirunesh but really she doesn't look like Roger Bannister by any stretch of the imagination

Valerie Vili (not Villi) is not listed at 47th. Actually it is now Valerie Adams and she insists on being referred to as Valerie Adams. It could be dangerous to ones health to refer to her as Vili (or Villi)

Bernard Lagat (not Legat) is not listed at 28th. And he doesn't look like Irena Szewinska.

So, what is going on here???

I have gone back through the lists, used the "search" function. Checked mump's oposting of 20 January.

Given the comments from some others besides mump who are confirming Bannister, Dibaba, Adams (Vili) and Lagat; do we have a second secret list operating somewhere?

Love to hear the explanations.

And more importantly after 4 months I would love to know who the favourite 4 are - especially as so many great athletes have missed out, been doubled dipped, or put on a different list.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby TN1965 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:45 am

mump boy wrote:There are people mentioned above who have already left some of them i remember entering others have just been left off i'm afraid.

I've found my list so i can confirm that

202ndChristine Ohourogu (1 vote 16 points)
144th Roger Bannister (2 votes 17 points)
75th Tirunesh Dibaba (3 votes 48 points)
47th Valerie Villi (5 votes 50 points) *
28th Bernard Legat (7 votes 81) **

*not actually 47th i'll count back when we get to the end
** not actually 28th etc etc

I'll give you a while to discuss these before posting No4


Lagat was one of my picks. He is one of the athletes who really "grew on" me over the years. I appreciate his longevity in the sport, but I appreciate his passionate but relaxed attitude even more.

Quite honestly, I was rooting for El Guerrouj in 2004, because I thought he deserved an Olympic gold medal as the best 1500m runner of his generation. But now one of my two biggest wishes for the London Olympics is Lagat winning the gold in 5000m. (The other is Allyson winning the gold in an individual event.)
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Daisy » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:05 pm

This is from the spread sheet I have right now. Hopefully up to date with duplicates removed.

392nd (1 Vote 1 Point)
Adhemar Ferreira da Silva
Anthony Famiglianni
Asha Hanson
Charles Kilpatrick
Craig Mottram
Dallas Long
Dick Fosbury
Fermin Cacho
George Woods
Ingrid Kristiansen
Joe Green
John Pennel
Kemal Thompson
Larry Myricks
Lj Van Zyl
Luis Delis
Meserat Defar
Monica Cabbler
Norwood Ewell
Ray Ewery
Reiko Tosa
Ricky Branch
Sammy Wanjiru
Shingeru So
Steve Barnes
Trine Hattestad

378th (1 vote, 2 points)
Barbel Wochel
Bob Deines
Brittany Reece
Chi Cheng
Dennis Carr
Javier Sotomayer
Jessica Augusto
Kayoko Fukushi
Marion Kolosa
Mark Richardson
Paul Wilson
Tatyana Kotova
Thomas Wessinghage
Tom Pukstys

364th (1 Vote, 3 points)
Armin Harry
Christian Taylor
Francis Obikwelu
Leamon King
Lopez Lomong
Marcuss O'Sullivan
Mark Plaatjes
Mike Carter
Perdita Felicien
Quincy Watts
Sergie Litvinov
Skip Sheaffer
Ted Corbey
Walter Dix

346th (1 Vote, 4 Points)
Agnes Samaria
Al Cantello
Alberto Salazar
Anke Behmer
Bridget Foster
Browning Ross
Chris Solinsky
Dionne Hemmings
Emma George
Kim Batten
Lauren Williams
Murry Halberg
Natalya Antyuk
Paul Ereng
Rob Milburn
Sally Gunnell
Sydney Maree
Tom Courtney

331st (1 Vote, 5 Points)
Bob Kennedy
Jerome Drayton
Jiri Shobla
Jutt Heine
Kip Javonin
Lorraine Fenton
Mike Boit
Milt Cambell
Mondo Duplanis
Peter Blank
Phil Brown
Rutger Smith
Sohn Kee-chung
Willie Davenport
Yerelis Barrios

311th (1 Vote, 6 Points)
Andrey Perlov
Anisora Stanciu
Arthur Wint
Eddie Southern
Hayden Jones
Jan Johnson
John Carlos
John Landy
Jordan Hassay
Lazaro Borgia
Llewlyn Herbert
Lynn Davies
Nikki Xanthou
Phillips Idowu
Rosie Ackerman
Ruis Silver
Sean Crawford
Sunder Nix
Vladislav Kozakiewicz
Yuriy Sedyk

294th (1 Vote, 7 Points)
Alain Mimoun
Carlo Thranhart
Donovan Bailey
Dwight Phillips
Heidi Rosenthal
Herb McKinley
Illona Slupienek
Jessie Stewart
John Smith
Justin Gatlin
Kevin Little
Lydia Simon
Olga Kaniskina
Percy Williams
Renauld Levellanie
Robert Harting
Werner Gunthur

271st (1 Vote 8 Points)
Adulf Plummer
Anne Packer
Asafa Powell
Betty Cuthbert
Bob Beamon
Bob Schull
Chante Howard
Dave Wottle
Dwain Chambers
Eva Glescova
George Rhoden
Inga Babakova
Ionel Tirlea
Iva Prandzeva
Jen Barringer
Jenn Suhr
Jeurgen Shult
Kris Akabusi
Lawrence Myers
Natasha Kaiser Brown
Quentin Cassidy
Rick Wolhouter
Tony Jarret

258th (1 Vote 9 Points)
Alan Pascoe
Andrew Wheating
Astrid Kumbernuss
Harold Connelly
Inger Miller
Irving Saladino
Jen Rhimes
Katrin Krabbe
Kylie Hutson
Mike Connelly
Patrick Sjoberg
Paul Drayton
Robert Korzeniowski

250th (1 Vote 10 points)
Carrie Tollefson
Don Bragg
Jo Dial
Johnny Kuch
Mike Marsh
Miruts Yifter
Olga Fitova Connoly
Romain Barras

235th (1 Vote 11 points)
Alvin Kraenzlein
Chris Brasher
Daniel Komen
Dayron Robles
Doug Olmstead
Ellen Van Langen
Gordon Pirie
Hasna Benhassi
Janis Lusis
Jeurgen Hingsen
Kate Schmidt
Randy Matson
Shiela Hudson
Steve Hooker
Yargelis Savigne

222nd (1 vote 12 points)
Butch Reynolds
Chandra Stirrup
Drew Fucci
Dylan Armstrong
Fabianna Murer
Fernando Ribiero
Francoise Mbango
Henry Carr
Joe Faust
Lolo Jones
Otis Davis
Suzie Favor Hamilton
Walter George

217th (1 vote 13 points)
Harry Jerome
Jim Brewer
Russel Adams
Saif Saaed Shaheen
Tina Lilaak

208th - (1 vote 14 points)
Briana Glen
Dawn Harper
Ernie Shelton
Gerry Moro
Helena Fibingerova
Jeff Williams
Joseph Plachy
Lee Evans
Maxim Dyaldin

201st (1 vote 15 points)
Auden Boysen
Bruce Jenner
Eliud Kipchoge
Fumni Jimoh
Jonni Myrra
Vladamir Kuts
Wim Slijkhuis

189th (1 vote 16 points)
Christine Ohourogu
Dana Zatopekova
Falilat Ogunkoya
Mehdi Baala
Moses Kiptanui
Nick Rose
Ollie Matson
Sanya Richards
Thierrry Vigneron
Vladimir Yashchenko
Wang Junxia
Wolfgand Schmidt

184th (1 Vote 17 points)
Kelly Sotherton
Leatitia Vriesde
Pat Matzdorf
Richard Attlesey
Roger Kingdom

177th (1 vote 18 points)
Alexandra Chudina
Igor Potapovich
John Godina
Kim Smith
Lillian Board
Olga Kotylarova
Pekka Paivarinta
Steve Williams
Tina Paulino

168th (1 vote 19 points)
Anatoly Bonderchuk
Carla Sacramento
Christina Obergföll
Dieter Baumann
Grit Breur
Mal Whitfield
Radion Gataullin

163rd (1vote 20 points)
Brian Diemer
Gabo Szabo
Jim Bolding
Shirley Strickland
Yordanka Donkova

162nd (2 votes 4 points)
Livio Berruti

161st (2 votes 6 points)
Sonia O'Sulivan

160th (2 votes 8 points)
Heike Henkel

158th (2 votes 9 points)
Sandra Farmer Patrick
Tatyana Samelenko

157th (2 votes 10 points)
Ulis Williams

154th ( 2 votes 11 points)
Christophe Lamaitre
Connie Price Smith
Shelly Anne Fraser Price

153rd (2 votes 12 points)
Jearl Miles

151st (2 votes 13 points)
Dwight Stone
Kim Collins

148th (2 votes 14 points)
Babe Didrikson
Bob Richards
Colin Jackson

146th (2 votes 16 points)
Caster Semenya
Uwe Holm

143rd (2 votes 17 points)
Christine Arron
Deratu Tulu
Roger Bannister

142nd (2 votes 18 points)
Jean Galfione

135th (2 votes 19 points)
Al Feuerbach
Billy Mills
Eamon Coghlan
Erki Nool
Felix Sanchez
Kenenisa Bekele
Steve Cram

132nd (2 votes 20 points)
Ashton Eaton
Ato Boldon
Marty Liquori

127th (2 votes 21 points)
Harrison Dillard
Jarmilla Kratochvilova
Lance Deal
Larry James
Lee Calhoun

126th (2 votes 22 points)
Stephan Diagana

123rd (2 Votes 23 points)
Charlie Green
Joaquim Cruz
John Walker

121st (2 votes 24 points)
Mary Rand
Staņislavs Olijars

119th (2 votes 25 points)
Adam Nelson
Brian Clay

116th (2 Votes 27 points)
Bert Cameron
PT Usha
Viktor Saneyev

113th (2 votes 28 points)
Jim Beatty
Seppo Ratty
Veronica Campbell Brown

112th (2 votes 29 points)
Steve Scott

111th (2 votes 30 points)
Svetlana Masterkova

110th (2 votes 31 points)
Dave Sime

109th (2 votes 32 points)
Igor Ter Ovanesyn

108th (2 votes 40 points)
Sonia Lannerman

107th (3 votes 5 points)
Sally Pearson

106th (3 votes 10 points)
Linford Christie

105th (3 votes 12 points)
Koji Murofushi

104th (3 votes 14 points)
Jacko Gill

103rd (3 votes 16 points)
Bob Mathias

102nd (3 votes 18 points)
Willie Banks

101st (3 votes 20 points)
Bill Rodgers

100th (3 votes 21 points)
Yelena Isinbyeva

98th - (3 votes 25 points)
Calvin Smith
Susannah Kallur

96th (3 votes 26 points)
Bob Seagran
Hicham El Guerrouj

94th (3 votes 28 points)
Gerry Lindgren
Mac Wikinson

93rd (3 votes 29 points)
Romain Mesnil

91st (3 votes 30 points)
Ivan Pedroso
Tyson Gay

90th (3 votes 31 points)
Doina Melinte

87th (3 votes 33 points)
Blanka Vlasic
Mike Powell
Tessa Sanderson

86th (3 votes 35 points)
Jeremy Wariner

84th (3 votes 36 points)
Paul Tergat
Stefan Holm

82nd (3 points 37 points)
Fiona May
Tatyana Lebedeva

81st (3 votes 38 points)
Denise Lewis

80th (3 votes 40 points)
Kathy Cook

79th (3 votes 42 points)
Parry O'Brien

77th (3 votes 44 points)
Andreas Thorkildsen
Gwen Torrence

76th (3 votes 47 points)
Frankie Fredericks

75th (3 votes 48 points)
Tirunesh Dibaba

74th ( 3 votes 55 points)
Glenn Davis

73rd (4 votes 16 points)
Wilma Rudolph

72nd (4 votes 33 points)
Jan Zelezney

71st (4 votes 38 points)
Ralph Boston

69th (4 votes 39 points)
Marie Jose Perec
Stacy Dragila

68th ( 4 votes 40 points)
Irina Privalova

67th (4 votes 43 points)
Said Aouita

66th ( 4 votes 44 points)
Allyson Felix

64th (4 votes 46 points)
Charles Austin
Dean Macey

62nd (4 votes 47 points)
Jim Thorpe
Mary Peters

61st (4 votes 50 points)
Virgilijus Alekna

60th (4 votes 51 points)
Don Quarrie

59th (4 votes 54 points)
Joan Benoit

58th (4 votes 56 points)
Fanny Blankers Koen

57th (4 votes 58 points)
Bob Hayes

56th (4 votes 60 points)
Marlies Gohr

55th (4 votes 67 points)
Bobby Morrow

54th (5 votes 32 points)
Greta Waitz

53rd (5 votes 38 points)
Mo Farah

52nd (5 votes 39 points)
Lasse Viren

51st (5 votes 41 points)
Alberto Juanterena

50th ( 5 votes 46 points)
Henry Rono

49th (5 votes 47 points)
Lui Xiang

48th (5 votes 50 points)
Valerie Adams

47th (5 votes 58 points)
Brian Olfield

46th (5 votes 62 poiints)
Ron Clark

45th (5 votes 85 points)
Tommie Smith

44th (5 votes 88 points)
Marita Koch

43rd (6 votes 45 points)
Mary Slaney

42nd (6 votes 54 points)
Allen Johnson

41st (6 votes 56 points)
Jonathon Edwards

39th (6 votes 62 points)
Dan O'Brien
Sergie Bubka

38th (6 votes 63 points)
Roman Sebrle

37th (6 votes 70 points)
Carolina Kluft

36th (6 votes 72 points)
Renaldo Nehemiah

35th (6 votes 74 points)
Kip Keino

34th ( 6 votes 87 points)
Abebe Bikila

33rd (7 votes 66 points)
Wilson Kipketer

32nd (7 votes 67 points)
Gail Devers

31st (7 votes 72 points)
Herb Elliot

30th (7 votes 78 points)
Florence Griffiths Joyner

29th (7 votes 79 points)
Irena Szewinska

28th (7 votes 81)
Bernard Lagat

26th (7 votes 82 points)
Kelly Holmes
Paavo Nurmi

25th (7 votes 98 points)
Jesse Owens

23rd (7 votes 108 points)
Frank Shorter
Steve Prefontaine

22nd (7 votes 110 points)
Valeriy Brummel

21st (8 votes 71 points)
Jessica Ennis

20th (8 votes 107 points)
Ana Quirot

19th (9 votes 82 points)
Heike Drechsler

18th (9votes 91 points)
Peter Snell

17th (9 votes 106 points)
Jim Ryun

16th (9 votes 108 points)
Seb Coe

15th (9 votes 117 votes)
Steve Ovett

14th (10 votes 112 points)
Al Oerter

13th (10 votes 120 points)
Maria Mutola

12th (11 votes 129 points)
Daley Thompson

11th (11 votes 134 points)
Emil Zátopek

10th (11 votes 138 points)
Paula Radcliffe

9th (11 votes 146 points)
Merlene Ottey

8th (11 votes 148 points)
Cathy Freeman

7th (13 votes, 149 poiints)
Evelyn Ashford

6th (13 votes 186 points)
Carl Lewis

5th (13 votes 189 points)
Jackie Joyner Kersee
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Tuariki » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:02 pm

Daisy wrote:This is from the spread sheet I have right now. Hopefully up to date with duplicates removed, although possibly with the wrong score (see below).

There are a few duplicates labelled with a ** (Jim Beatty, Steve Cram, Larry James and Bob Mathias)

**Jim Beatty 1 20
**Jim Beatty 2 28
So has 2 votes/28 points or 3 votes/48 points

**Steve Cram 1 10
**Steve Cram 2 19
So has 2 votes/19 points or 3 votes/29 points

**Larry James 1 17
**Larry James 2 21
So has 2 votes/21 points or 3 votes/38 points

**Bob Mathias 2 14
**Bob Mathias 3 16
So has 3 votes/16 points or 5 votes/30 points


If the list that Daisy just posted is now the correct list then that is great.

However, I am somewhat puzzled as I thought this was mump's project.
As such I have based my postings on what has been posted as the "official" results from mump.

With regards to the duplicates you have listed arethe following possibilities?

Jim Beatty 3 - 58

Steve Cram 3 - 39

Larry James 3 - 38

Bob Mathias 5 - 30

If your listings are the correct ones then can I suggest that mump replace the first posting on this thread with these results so that we are all working off the same blackboard.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Daisy » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:28 pm

Tuariki wrote:However, I am somewhat puzzled as I thought this was mump's project.
As such I have based my postings on what has been posted as the "official" results from mump.

As mump gave us the results pego and I were independently compiling our own versions. The list above is based on mumps postings in this thread including his updates to correct mistakes.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Daisy » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:33 pm

Tuariki wrote:
Daisy wrote:**Jim Beatty 1 20
**Jim Beatty 2 28
So has 2 votes/28 points or 3 votes/48 points

**Steve Cram 1 10
**Steve Cram 2 19
So has 2 votes/19 points or 3 votes/29 points

**Larry James 1 17
**Larry James 2 21
So has 2 votes/21 points or 3 votes/38 points

**Bob Mathias 2 14
**Bob Mathias 3 16
So has 3 votes/16 points or 5 votes/30 points


With regards to the duplicates you have listed arethe following possibilities?

Jim Beatty 3 - 58
Steve Cram 3 - 39
Larry James 3 - 38
Bob Mathias 5 - 30

Definitely possible. But I suspect that mump miscounted and then announced them a second time with the correct higher score. So I think that 2/28, 2/19, 2/21 and 3/16 are more likely.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Tuariki » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:37 pm

Daisy wrote:
Tuariki wrote:However, I am somewhat puzzled as I thought this was mump's project.
As such I have based my postings on what has been posted as the "official" results from mump.

As mump gave us the results pego and I were independently compiling our own versions. The list above is based on mumps postings in this thread including his updates to correct mistakes.


Thanks for that Daisy. That explains a few things - so I guess you are all poms. Just like my Mum, I might add.

So, tell mump to hurry up and put us out of our misery. My guess for #4 - Edwin Moses.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Daisy » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:50 pm

Tuariki wrote:so I guess you are all poms.

I am, what gave it away? I live in Wisconsin. Pego is definitely not pom.
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Postby Tuariki » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:07 pm

Oops - for some reason I thought that during the past 4 months on this favourite marathon I had read that mump was a pom. So you are a snow bound Badger.

The only Wisconsin Badger for TnF I can think of is Pat Matzdorf.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby pickle47 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:04 pm

Bolt and Geb both def fit the bill of faves for either performances or performers, in terms of likablity/chrarisma, etc. I'm not so sure about Moses and Johnson. Brilliant performers both, but I don't recall reading any paens to their human sides from a personal standpoint, although both of their careers are well-chronicled by now. No gushing paragraphs of praise like the recent A. Rock post, which I think resonates with almost all of us to some degree.
But I could be wrong....and probably am.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby bushop » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:12 pm

Tuariki wrote:Thanks for that Daisy.

Agreed.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Daisy » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:45 pm

Tuariki wrote:So you are a snow bound Badger.

Normally, yes. But this year we have the magnolia already.
Tuariki wrote:The only Wisconsin Badger for TnF I can think of is Pat Matzdorf.

You probably know of Suzy Favor Hamilton. And more recently Matt Tegenkamp and Chris Solinsky.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Gabriella » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:48 am

It's got to have been difficult to track this throughout and if you're disorganised, like me, it could end up being a nightmare! But mump's doing a good job thus far and there's bound to be some errors.

I don't think JJK was on my list, but she should have been (like many others when you sit down and re-think properly)

She had a great career and her achievements speak for themselves. On a predominantly US forum you'd expect her, Ashford, Devers, Lewis and Johnson to be right up there and they've all been ranked high. But what stands her out against the others?

She definitely appeared to have a likeable personality and had a great, warm smile. But it was her competitive spirit and technical ability that stands her out. Her greatest achievement, for me, was Atlanta 96 when she secured the bronze medal with her last jump when injured. This personified grit and determination. Her life long adversary/friend Drechsler pin pointed this as THE performance of the Games (alongside MJ) because of the circumstances (DNF the heptathlon and being injured and below par in the LJ) And I guess that really is what sets her apart from most.

Like many she suffered a loss of form as we entered the 1990's and come Stuttgart she was 413 points down on her best, and that was her last great year in the heptathlon. But she'd set such a ridiculously surreal, high standard she could never keep it up and was approaching 30. Again though, in 93 she showed her grit, Sabine Braun was in fighting form and leading into the 800, leaving JJK in a position she'd hadn't been in for many years; 2nd place going into the 800m. The difference was that JJK believed she could win, whereas Braun probably never did. Again, it's that confidence in her ability that stands out.

She had trouble with some events as she got older, in particular the HJ and JT and unusually her SP marks went down as she approached 30 whereas most gain strength ; her best of 16.00m was aged 26 in 1988, but she struggled to get over 14m in Barcelona and Stuttgart. But she still had two great LJ seasons in her in 1994 and then 1996. That 94 season was oen of the best ever, behind HD's 86 and 92 seasons.

As is clear, I was always a Heike fan, and it annoyed me in 88 and 91 when JJK did just the US trials LJ/hept and didnt compete in a LJ again, then would come out in great form having not competed. 1991 was especially bizarre as there was no inkling she would be in 7.3+ form in Tokyo at all. But perhaps that's part of her skill, being able to produce something special from just training and no competition.

Her core years between 1986 and 1988 were quite surreal when you look back, those marks being set a quarter of a century ago now. Like 10.49, 21.34 & 47.60, I don't think we'll ever see 7,291 broken and it will take the introduction of the decathlon to remove the mark, it's just so amazing and out of this world.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Pego » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:00 am

Daisy wrote:
Tuariki wrote:So you are a snow bound Badger.

Normally, yes. But this year we have the magnolia already.
Tuariki wrote:The only Wisconsin Badger for TnF I can think of is Pat Matzdorf.

You probably know of Suzy Favor Hamilton. And more recently Matt Tegenkamp and Chris Solinsky.


In my northern Badger garden, snowdrops, early crocus and a few Scilla sibiricas are blooming, the earliest in my memory, the hyacinths and tulips coming out, daffodils not quite yet. What is a pom? Should I feel honored or scream bloody murder :wink: ?

P.S. Once mump completes the list, I will re-post the alpabetized thing again, complete with corrections.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby mump boy » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:54 am

Tuariki wrote:[
So, as you can see

Christine Ohourogu is not listed as 202nd

Roger Bannister is not listed at 144th

Tirunesh Dibaba is not listed as 75th - it is her cousin Deratutu Tulu

Deratutu Tulu has been listed twice at 144th and again at 75th
I can see how she can be mixed up with her cousin Tirunesh but really she doesn't look like Roger Bannister by any stretch of the imagination

Valerie Vili (not Villi) is not listed at 47th. Actually it is now Valerie Adams and she insists on being referred to as Valerie Adams. It could be dangerous to ones health to refer to her as Vili (or Villi)

Bernard Lagat (not Legat) is not listed at 28th. And he doesn't look like Irena Szewinska.

So, what is going on here???

I have gone back through the lists, used the "search" function. Checked mump's oposting of 20 January.

Given the comments from some others besides mump who are confirming Bannister, Dibaba, Adams (Vili) and Lagat; do we have a second secret list operating somewhere?

Love to hear the explanations.

And more importantly after 4 months I would love to know who the favourite 4 are - especially as so many great athletes have missed out, been doubled dipped, or put on a different list.


I know they weren't listed at those positions, that's why i've just posted them !!

What happened is i messed up
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby mump boy » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:11 am

Daisy wrote:
There are a few duplicates labelled with a ** (Jim Beatty, Steve Cram, Larry James and Bob Mathias)

**Jim Beatty 1 20
**Jim Beatty 2 28
So has 2 votes/28 points or 3 votes/48 points

**Steve Cram 1 10
**Steve Cram 2 19
So has 2 votes/19 points or 3 votes/29 points

**Larry James 1 17
**Larry James 2 21
So has 2 votes/21 points or 3 votes/38 points

**Bob Mathias 2 14
**Bob Mathias 3 16
So has 3 votes/16 points or 5 votes/30 points


Thanks for this Daisy, when we do this again next winter i will be coming to you for your spread sheet skills :D

I can confirm the correct places for those above are

Jim Beatty (2 votes 28 points)
Stve Cram (2 votes 19 points)
Larry James (2 votes 21 points)
Bob Mathias (3 votes 16 points)

As they are all the higher figure the only explanation i have is that i accepted a late entry after already posting or something :?
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Daisy » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:17 am

First, mump I applaud your work here. Not trying to correct you just trying to help compile the final list. This thread has been a great way to learn more about the athletes. Such as gabriella's post on JJK above.

Pego wrote:What is a pom? Should I feel honored or scream bloody murder ?

Normally heard in the context of 'that pommie bastard' when the NZ's and Aussies describe the English :shock: :wink: The American slang equivalent is 'limey'. POME refers to prisoners of mother england, in other words, all those trade unionists that were causing trouble and shipped to the other side of the world. Specifically, those fresh off the boat.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby mump boy » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:16 am

Daisy wrote:Not trying to correct you


I wish someone would :wink: all help is appreciated

Bill Rodgers also needs to be added (sorry TN1965)

Bill Rodgers (3 votes 20 points)
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Postby DecFan » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:59 am

A couple of days ago I wrote:
DecFan wrote:I have three left with four to go. For one of these to be ranked so high is a great surprise to me.


The "one" was Rodgers, whom Mump has now informed us got two votes in addition to mine. That makes a lot more sense than seeing him in the top 4!

I had Billy 15th. I turned 20 in 1976. For many distance runners in my generation, Shorter was an icon; Rodgers was an example. He showed us what someone with relatively modest college accomplishments could become a bit later in life - and he did this while running with joy and freedom. Injured in Montreal, boycotted out of Moscow, and past his prime by the time the World Championships began, he never had a shot at an Olympic or World Championships medal. But T&FN ranked him world number 1 in the marathon in 75, 77, and 79 - and those rankings were well-deserved.

Thanks, Billy. It was a joy to watch you run.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby mump boy » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:11 am

DecFan wrote:A couple of days ago I wrote:
DecFan wrote:I have three left with four to go. For one of these to be ranked so high is a great surprise to me.


The "one" was Rodgers, whom Mump has now informed us got two votes in addition to mine. That makes a lot more sense than seeing him in the top 4!

I had Billy 15th. I turned 20 in 1976. For many distance runners in my generation, Shorter was an icon; Rodgers was an example. He showed us what someone with relatively modest college accomplishments could become a bit later in life - and he did this while running with joy and freedom. Injured in Montreal, boycotted out of Moscow, and past his prime by the time the World Championships began, he never had a shot at an Olympic or World Championships medal. But T&FN ranked him world number 1 in the marathon in 75, 77, and 79 - and those rankings were well-deserved.

Thanks, Billy. It was a joy to watch you run.


Sorry for not posting him earlier. What you have just wrote is very interesting to me as before this thread i had never heard of him before

Which was the whole point :D
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Pego » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:13 am

mump boy wrote:
Daisy wrote:
There are a few duplicates labelled with a ** (Jim Beatty, Steve Cram, Larry James and Bob Mathias)

**Jim Beatty 1 20
**Jim Beatty 2 28
So has 2 votes/28 points or 3 votes/48 points

**Steve Cram 1 10
**Steve Cram 2 19
So has 2 votes/19 points or 3 votes/29 points

**Larry James 1 17
**Larry James 2 21
So has 2 votes/21 points or 3 votes/38 points

**Bob Mathias 2 14
**Bob Mathias 3 16
So has 3 votes/16 points or 5 votes/30 points


Thanks for this Daisy, when we do this again next winter i will be coming to you for your spread sheet skills :D

I can confirm the correct places for those above are

Jim Beatty (2 votes 28 points)
Stve Cram (2 votes 19 points)
Larry James (2 votes 21 points)
Bob Mathias (3 votes 16 points)

As they are all the higher figure the only explanation i have is that i accepted a late entry after already posting or something :?


If you figure out their respective overall placement (Rodgers, too), I could correct the list.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Daisy » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:15 am

Pego wrote:If you figure out their respective overall placement (Rodgers, too), I could correct the list.

I think the one above is current for placement, including Rodgers.
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Re: T T&FN Forum Favourite Athletes: THE RESULTS No5.

Postby Pego » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:19 am

Daisy wrote:First, mump I applaud your work here. Not trying to correct you just trying to help compile the final list. This thread has been a great way to learn more about the athletes. Such as gabriella's post on JJK above.

Pego wrote:What is a pom? Should I feel honored or scream bloody murder ?

Normally heard in the context of 'that pommie bastard' when the NZ's and Aussies describe the English :shock: :wink: The American slang equivalent is 'limey'. POME refers to prisoners of mother england, in other words, all those trade unionists that were causing trouble and shipped to the other side of the world. Specifically, those fresh off the boat.


No, that does not describe me that well :wink: .

Yes mump, I do appreciate your work too and if there is anything we can help with, say so.
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