GBR certainly didn't deserve to win today's m4x400m, but this rule has been used against England before (as mentioned above), so surely if the USA have never heard about it, they need to get checking to stop it happening again - the local organisation seemed to reinstate quite a few of those appealing in Istanbul, whereas I'm not sure that'll be the case elsewhere. To be fair, it's unusual to see the USA in second, but they might well be facing stiffer competition come London (Bahamas, GBR, Belgium, Grenada?)
Despite the ever-present threat of Carmelita Jeter, the World champion at 100 metres, and Allyson Felix, Campbell-Brown is surely the pre-eminent sprinter of this generation. She has now twice been World Indoor champion at 60 metres, twice Olympic champion and twice World champion at 200 metres and World champion at 100 in 2007.She has also won at every level of IAAF competition, World Youth, World Junior, World and World Indoor.
That is some record and Campbell-Brown is by no means done yet.
GBR certainly didn't deserve to win today's m4x400m, but this rule has been used against England before (as mentioned above), so surely if the USA have never heard about it, they need to get checking to stop it happening again - the local organisation seemed to reinstate quite a few of those appealing in Istanbul, whereas I'm not sure that'll be the case elsewhere. To be fair, it's unusual to see the USA in second, but they might well be facing stiffer competition come London (Bahamas, GBR, Belgium, Grenada?)
You've got to be kidding. The US was ahead from prior to the final bend of the 3rd leg.
^^^ not sure which bit you're referring to? Kidding about what? Knowing the rule exists, or that the m4x400m is looking a bit more competitive these days?
(I'm assuming you don't think i'm kidding about GBR not deserving to win )
jjimbojames wrote:^^^ not sure which bit you're referring to? Kidding about what? Knowing the rule exists, or that the m4x400m is looking a bit more competitive these days?
(I'm assuming you don't think i'm kidding about GBR not deserving to win )
The fact that the US was in "second". They were in first from just prior to the final bend. In addition to the rule in itself being pretty stupid, they were clear in front all the way down the stretch. I'd be embarrassed to protest that. That's like trying to get a kid kicked out because his or her T shirt isn't the same shade as the rest of the kids on a relay team as we see so often in HS here.
Also....wasn't the GBR team dq'd for violating 170.9 in 2006 which is the pushing/shoving rule while awaiting the baton. I can't find a video of the race so I have no idea what really occurred or if these situations are even remotely comparable.
jjimbojames wrote:^^^ not sure which bit you're referring to? Kidding about what? Knowing the rule exists, or that the m4x400m is looking a bit more competitive these days?
(I'm assuming you don't think i'm kidding about GBR not deserving to win )
The fact that the US was in "second". They were in first from just prior to the final bend. In addition to the rule in itself being pretty stupid, they were clear in front all the way down the stretch. I'd be embarrassed to protest that. That's like trying to get a kid kicked out because his or her T shirt isn't the same shade as the rest of the kids on a relay team as we see so often in HS here.
Also....wasn't the GBR team dq'd for violating 170.9 in 2006 which is the pushing/shoving rule while awaiting the baton. I can't find a video of the race so I have no idea what really occurred or if these situations are even remotely comparable.
Where did I say they were? I said they should know the rules, even though it's unusual to see them in second, but you never know, given the depth I expect come London. I've been pretty clear that GBR have correctly gained silver
Re 2006 - Tasha Danvers was in the wrong place (sorry to bring it up Smoke) because she was told to stand there, then Tamsyn Lewis piped up
So can we assume that the shrinking violets of the USA have never appealed in an individual case or relay to their own benefit and will not do so in the future.Thinks did they not do so in the Beijing 200m or is my memory at fault.?
Clearly the USA won the race today but the rules are and will continue to be used by all countries if they feel it advances their interests; make sure you have a bunch of lawyers at the Relay handovers ready to complain at any infraction of the rules if it suits
Veronica's post race interview after defending her 60m title at the World Indoor championship. What a great championship runner. She has lost count of how many championship medals she has had over the years
So have the IAAF rules been changed about lane placing infringements at handover since a couple of years ago in the Commonwealth Games,when good old Tamsyn did her stuff.
Comforting to know that in the event of the United States coming second in the 4x400m at London 2012 with the winning team making a similar infringement of the rules the USA will not say a word and take their defeat graciously.
notorious wrote:Veronica's post race interview after defending her 60m title at the World Indoor championship. What a great championship runner. She has lost count of how many championship medals she has had over the years
Gabriella wrote:GBR's women's 4x4 team is going to be Cox to Sanders to Ohuruogu to Shakes-Drayton. I wonder if they could upset either the USA or Russia? Lane order is going to be crucial!
gh wrote:e-mail from Istanbul, titled "It's not enough to be disqualified...." and then follows
<<.... . . you must be publicly humiliated, too.
Jones-Ferrette rolled out of her blocks early in the semifinals, and she knew she had done something wrong. She walked over to the side to clear the way for the other seven to have a re-start, and one of the judges told her to go back to her blocks, which she did. (At this point, did she think she may have been given a reprieve?) Then, the judge walked to the sprint apron in front of Jones' blocks to hold up a red card. ONLY THEN was Jones-Ferrette allowed to leave the competition area!
Yuck!>>
OMG if that happened I'm lucky I was late to see 60m semi I had enough of the start-judges and all the starts watching it
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Gabriella wrote:Reese flew down the runway! She moves up to 3rd on the all-time list behind Drechsler and Chistyakova. But the best thing about it was how she responded to Deloach's jump. None of Reese's other jumps were anywhere near 7+ jumps, but when pushed down she pulled it out the bag on her last jump - fantastic competitive response. Deloach and Proctor both having their best jumps on rd 6 too, very unusual for a LJ. Klishina's last rd 6.78 looked very mediocre in comparison!
Lagat ran well, but Soi impeded Farah on the last bend, so I expect the GB team will protest.
GB did--but Mo tried to push through on the inside, more his foul than Soi's.
Sorry to disapoint you guys but spoke to team management tonight and Team GB made precisely NO proprotests at this champs.
They asked for the tapes of the mens 3000m but heard about the DQ before they had even had a chancw to view them and they hadn't even noticed any infringement in the relay.
Apparently all down to an overly officious track judge. They were a bit embarrassed by the whole thing.
Flumpy wrote:Sorry to disapoint you guys but spoke to team management tonight and Team GB made precisely NO proprotests at this champs.
They asked for the tapes of the mens 3000m but heard about the DQ before they had even had a chancw to view them and they hadn't even noticed any infringement in the relay.
Apparently all down to an overly officious track judge. They were a bit embarrassed by the whole thing.
Was "team management" a qualifier?
Or do they have a group like the Mossad to raise the issues?
Gabriella wrote:GBR's women's 4x4 team is going to be Cox to Sanders to Ohuruogu to Shakes-Drayton. I wonder if they could upset either the USA or Russia? Lane order is going to be crucial!
Clever!
You have to appreciate the result of GB's ladies 4x4. Hopefully they can join in for the fun this summer as they did five years ago.
Though with McCorory, Beard, Felix, Trotter and possibly some standout collegiate performer rising early, and Jamaica as well, some major highlights outdoors will be expected from that group.
Perhaps I'm underestimating the home field advantage as well!
It was a fantastic last day of the champs. I think after the w4x400m, the two shocks of the day were Helen Obiri overhauling Defar in the 3000 (didn't see that coming) and Reese's phenomenal 7.23. In fact, it was a great wLJ comp.
That's a good anchor from Lavric. I've kept an eye on her since she won the World Juniors in 2008 but like so many promising Romanian juniors, her results have been regressing in the past few seasons in the senior ranks. Hope she's starting to go in the right direction again.
Smoke wrote:May be the single dumbest rule in track. I'm not sure about other countries but this rule only exist for US athletes at a major competition. We grow up running relays and are taught the exact opposite of this rule. As your man moves up, so should the next leg to prevent all the cross over at exchange. But not at this level! At a given line (200 outdoors) the places are set. Dumb! Moreover, in 2006 the British runner was told to move in, but let's not let the racing get in the way of the track meet.
I believe the rule was put in the IAAF book as an over-reaction after the 4x400 baton exchange fiasco in the 1985 Canberra World Cup - you can view it on You Tube somewhere. At a minimum, the language should say "may be disqualified" instead of "shall be disqualified" to allow a "no harm, no foul" ruling as appears to have been done in this case anyway.
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The US athlete (second or third leg) lined up in the wrong position at the changeover. The Brits were leading at that points and should have been on the inside but the US athlete moved in front when he should have been in the second lane.
I have NEVER seen that kind of DQ in HS or college (and there's plenty of lane jumping as the runners approach - I've seen the inside runner give up his position when it's clear his man has been passed in the straightaway), so here's betting that was a surprise to the USA team. It's a rule that has never been enforced in my 45-year experience. That said, it's clearly a DQ if that's what happened (and obviously it did).
I think the college and high school rulebooks differ from the IAAF book on this rule.
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did they not do so in the Beijing 200m or is my memory at fault.?
