World Indoor Champs Day 3

[toyracer]

reaction time and getting out of the blocks well don't necessarily go hand in hand.

Exactly right.

If VCB ever spent some time with Stephen Francis everyone in the W100m field would have cause for serious worry.

[guru]

reaction time and getting out of the blocks well don't necessarily go hand in hand.

I'm well aware of that. Still though...

[tm71]

Aries Merrit..wins 60mH...didn't c that coming...

i thought he had an outside chance. with his new step pattern (7 steps to the first hurdle) it looks he has become more consistent. with richardson defending outdoor and merritt defending indoor champion, trammell, craddock and faulk running well too, oliver will have his hands full at the trials.

[tm71]

Manteo Mitchell unlike Hayes in the women's relay run an excellent 3rd leg and put it to the british runner on the second lap, even though i thought he made an ill advised pass on the curve. it did work though because it gave daylight to the anchor...obviously the key indoors is to run from the front.

[guru]

Manteo Mitchell unlike Hayes in the women's relay run an excelling 3rd leg and put it to the british runner on the second lap.

Agree, though again Hayes at least got it to SRR in 2nd, and thanks to a poor British handoff just a step behind. As gabriella said Richards'Ross got just a little too cute with the tactics, and wound up getting hopelessly buried on her first lap.

So while I don't put that loss on Hayes, nevertheless I'm really annoyed Trotter didnt go over and run.

[72]

Not well done Bingham. clearly not the man of times gone by. Lost it for us. However thats a disapointment to be set against the GB girls doing rather well with a team that did not include two finalists from the individual.
The surprise for me was not our team, who did not set a NR as far as I know and which included athletes Perry and CO at a stage that we could not fully be sure of formwise, but that the Americans with two outstanding runners were rather let down by their other two.

Althought he USA did very well this w/e, which was no big surprise, I did not expect GB to get our medal haul. The Russians did not perform up to expectations.

Was the highest quality performance by IAAF points standards Dobrynska, Eaton or Reece.?

[tm71]

So while I don't put that loss on Hayes, nevertheless I'm really annoyed Trotter didnt go over and run.guru

at what point do we blame inger miller and jon drummond ? lol kidding !
when i saw both men's and women's lineups i immediately did not like the choice of 3rd runners, but mitchell proved me wrong (actually he run very well in the heats and deserved a spot in the final). i totally agree that it made no sense that trotter did not go at all when she was a close 3rd at the usatf meet and run the full indoor season (unlike felix who only run once and mccrory who did not run at all which means they were not even planning to go to this meet). it is better to lose now, in order to make sure it does not happen at the olympics. i am sure the brits think they can beat the us again at the olympics, but there is no way that will happen (ok now i sound like notorious !!!)

[gm]

The men's 4x4 results have FINALLY been posted on the IAAF site, and.... USA DQ'ed. Anyone?

[Ned Ryerson]

nevertheless I'm really annoyed Trotter didnt go over and run.

Seriously? There is only one thing that matters to her this year, just like every other pro: make the Olympic team. Everything else takes a back seat. If she wasn't running the individual race and felt that her chances in June would be better served by cutting her indoor season two weeks ago, then that's what she should do.

[nevetsllim]

The men's 4x4 results have FINALLY been posted on the IAAF site, and.... USA DQ'ed. Anyone?

The US athlete (second or third leg) lined up in the wrong position at the changeover. The Brits were leading at that points and should have been on the inside but the US athlete moved in front when he should have been in the second lane.

It's the same reason why the English women's 4x400m quartet were disqualified at the 2006 Commonwealth Games.

[guru]

nevertheless I'm really annoyed Trotter didnt go over and run.

Seriously? There is only one thing that matters to her this year, just like every other pro: make the Olympic team. Everything else takes a back seat. If she wasn't running the individual race and felt that her chances in June would be better served by cutting her indoor season two weeks ago, then that's what she should do.

I understand that "Ned", but Trotter could have just trained through and still been a notable upgrade, and picked up a $10,000 check for her trouble.

[gm]

Thank you, sir!

[gh]

e-mail from Istanbul, titled "It's not enough to be disqualified...." and then follows

<<.... . . you must be publicly humiliated, too.

Jones-Ferrette rolled out of her blocks early in the semifinals, and she
knew she had done something wrong. She walked over to the side to clear
the way for the other seven to have a re-start, and one of the judges
told her to go back to her blocks, which she did. (At this point, did
she think she may have been given a reprieve?) Then, the judge walked
to the sprint apron in front of Jones' blocks to hold up a red card.
ONLY THEN was Jones-Ferrette allowed to leave the competition area!

Yuck!>>

[shivfan]

At last TBO has decided to commit to the relay and see what happens

Innit! I was jumping up and down all through the race, shouting; I've lost my voice and think I've burst a blood vessel!

I hear she was training in jamaica...i wonder if that is with track racers or mvp.

[shivfan]

VCB. This lady just never fails to deliver on the big stage. The embodiment of professionalism. Love you girl!!!

Ditto....

[ozaloG]

Moore stumbles across line in 1:59.97 for bronze. Jelimo 1:58.83 and Lupu 1:59.67.

Moore led for the first 470m but she held tight and avoided having Magiso nip her at the line. Interesting that the two Russians were 5th and 6th.

PBs for places 2-4.

1:58.83 is also an indoor PB for Pamela (prior = 1:59.10, last month in Lievin). Now the All-Time No. 2 African indoors behind Mutola (1:56.36).

[running4life]

VCB all day, that is what I am talking about.I knew she would be ready for this race,she hate to lose.Thank you god.

[Marlow]

USA DQ'ed.

The US athlete (second or third leg) lined up in the wrong position at the changeover. The Brits were leading at that points and should have been on the inside but the US athlete moved in front when he should have been in the second lane.

I have NEVER seen that kind of DQ in HS or college (and there's plenty of lane jumping as the runners approach - I've seen the inside runner give up his position when it's clear his man has been passed in the straightaway), so here's betting that was a surprise to the USA team. It's a rule that has never been enforced in my 45-year experience. That said, it's clearly a DQ if that's what happened (and obviously it did).

[unclezadok]

USA DQ'ed.

The US athlete (second or third leg) lined up in the wrong position at the changeover. The Brits were leading at that points and should have been on the inside but the US athlete moved in front when he should have been in the second lane.

I have NEVER seen that kind of DQ in HS or college (and there's plenty of lane jumping as the runners approach - I've seen the inside runner give up his position when it's clear his man has been passed in the straightaway), so here's betting that was a surprise to the USA team. It's a rule that has never been enforced in my 45-year experience. That said, it's clearly a DQ if that's what happened (and obviously it did).

If that's a basis for a DQ 95% of the 4 X 400 relays I've seen in my life should have had at least one team DQ'd.

[guru]

USA DQ'ed.

The US athlete (second or third leg) lined up in the wrong position at the changeover. The Brits were leading at that points and should have been on the inside but the US athlete moved in front when he should have been in the second lane.

I have NEVER seen that kind of DQ in HS or college (and there's plenty of lane jumping as the runners approach - I've seen the inside runner give up his position when it's clear his man has been passed in the straightaway), so here's betting that was a surprise to the USA team. It's a rule that has never been enforced in my 45-year experience. That said, it's clearly a DQ if that's what happened (and obviously it did).

If that's a basis for a DQ 95% of the 4 X 400 relays I've seen in my life should have had at least one team DQ'd.

Kind of like getting a DQ for an EARLY 4x1 exchange...

Curious if the DQ was called at the zone, or the product of a protest


edit: Nevermind, I might have guessed - British protest

[guru]

The men's 4x4 results have FINALLY been posted on the IAAF site, and.... USA DQ'ed. Anyone?

The US athlete (second or third leg) lined up in the wrong position at the changeover.

Apparently it was anchor leg Roberts.

[Dutra5]

What's strange is that the official results show the US in front at the final exchange.

Didn't see it but it appears a bit ticky tack to me.

[Smoke]

May be the single dumbest rule in track. I'm not sure about other countries but this rule only exist for US athletes at a major competition. We grow up running relays and are taught the exact opposite of this rule. As your man moves up, so should the next leg to prevent all the cross over at exchange.
But not at this level! At a given line (200 outdoors) the places are set. Dumb! Moreover, in 2006 the British runner was told to move in, but let's not let the racing get in the way of the track meet.

[Irun_toofast]

By far the dumbest rule out there. And it seems as if the Brits are always trying to find a way to beat the US with out actually having to beat the US.

According to that rule almost every 4x4 run somebody should be disqualified.

[nevetsllim]

Looks like they are reinstated.

[Jon]

USA have been reinstated to gold.

[notorious]

Womens 60m final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeO3sZlCB9Q


VC had the second best reaction time even thought it didn't appear that way from the video.

Glad she was able to come through with the win.

VC has the heart of a champion. I had no doubt she would win.

[running4life]

Womens 60m final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeO3sZlCB9Q


VC had the second best reaction time even thought it didn't appear that way from the video.

Glad she was able to come through with the win.

VC has the heart of a champion. I had no doubt she would win.

Yes she does, I don't know why people keep counting her out when she have proven herself to be a true champion over and over again. Great race

[John G]

USA have been reinstated to gold.

Glad to hear it. It's a bad rule and the infringement had no impact on the race. It made us look like a bunch of whingeing Poms. Buck should have saved his complaint for whoever chose Bingham on the third leg.

I thought Mo had a better claim - he was cut up on the back stretch but that clash on the final bend was caused by him trying to go though a gap that wasn't really there.

[mal]

The Poms are the worst when it comes to this stuff.

Its not the first time.

[samthemainman]

Not sure I agree on the whinging Poms stuff. Melbourne 2006. Women's 4x400m. Tamsyn Lewis. Say no more. England won by a country mile but the exact same thing happened for the second changeover - the Aussies were declared winners in the end because the English team broke the rules - but it was an empty victory. I'm glad the US has been reinstated and I'm a Brit who loves his relays (anyway lets not get onto Melbourne again...)

I agree the rule is a little stupid and that the actions here didn't affect the race - but I understand it's there to stop the argy-bargy that happened in the 1980's and bum-bashing (for want of a better word) which saw the changeover zone become more like a war zone. The whole point is to decongest the area. The problem is though that teams who aren't in the lead can end up running much further to pass the baton if the race is close.

As for this ''Brits trying to win relays without actually beating the US' it is a bit lame...

Tokyo 1991 Men's 4x400m - fair and square awesome race
London World Cup 1994 Men's 4x100m, Men's & Women's 4x400m - fair and square (thought I'd throw this one in!)
Athens 2004 Men's 4x100m - fair and square awesome race
Istanbul 2012 Women's 4x400m - fair and square awesome race

We know the 1997 men's 4x400m won because of Pettigrew's (RIP) doping - which is hardly just a technicality...

Which other relays were controversial involving the Brits trying to protest their way up the podium?

Finally - huge congrats to the GBR girls for a great display. If ONLY Nicola were back to her awesome 2007 50.02 form she would have chewed up that track like noone else. At her best she is unbeatable indoors and I'm not sure we'll ever see it from her again. PSD is going to be awesome this year and TBO looks like she could be in some great form (52.0 split is nothing amazing but its great off the back of no indoor running and a deserved bad rep for lack of relay fight).

[mojo]

Great trackmeet!

The next Worlds are in Spodot Poland...worth a visit Powell?

[guru]

Which other relays were controversial involving the Brits trying to protest their way up the podium?

Are you kidding?


http://www.examiner.com/running-in-san- ... e-evidence

[Ned Ryerson]

nevertheless I'm really annoyed Trotter didnt go over and run.

Seriously? There is only one thing that matters to her this year, just like every other pro: make the Olympic team. Everything else takes a back seat. If she wasn't running the individual race and felt that her chances in June would be better served by cutting her indoor season two weeks ago, then that's what she should do.

I understand that "Ned", but Trotter could have just trained through and still been a notable upgrade, and picked up a $10,000 check for her trouble.

If it's guaranteed, that's one thing. But it's not -- neither of the US relay teams is coming home with first place money.

[guru]

nevertheless I'm really annoyed Trotter didnt go over and run.

Seriously? There is only one thing that matters to her this year, just like every other pro: make the Olympic team. Everything else takes a back seat. If she wasn't running the individual race and felt that her chances in June would be better served by cutting her indoor season two weeks ago, then that's what she should do.

I understand that "Ned", but Trotter could have just trained through and still been a notable upgrade, and picked up a $10,000 check for her trouble.

If it's guaranteed, that's one thing. But it's not -- neither of the US relay teams is coming home with first place money.

Actually, one is, and the other would be - if Trotter ran...