Where is MIKE RODGERS this indoor!

[thechosenone34]

is michael going to run i know he is probably licking his chops after seeing those times today!

[thechosenone34]

i feel that if he doesnt come back the jams will own the short sprints indoor and out, we could possible not get any medals period, this will be a huge let down for the fans and the country of USA! The americans dont look so hot right now the fastest time on the pro level is 6.56 kimmons and 6.55 demps that mite not make the final in turkey! lerone clarke just ran 6.47, carter 6.49, and powell 6.50, vicaut wasnt their nor lemetrie of france. Outdoor we of course have tyson gay if he stays healthy and walter dix after that as for is a huge ?

[donley2]

As far as I now, Mike Rodgers penalty for a failed test from August of last year has not been determined. I have not seen anything in the IAAF newsletter or the usada.org page.

[bman]

Quick sidebar- Would Demps actually run in Istanbul if he qualified?

And just to be clear; we are not relying on Mike Rodgers for 100 meter medals. If he is our best hope, we are in trouble. This is nothing against him (as I am a big fan), but top 3 is very very hard to reach with so many 9.7-9.8 caliber runners in the mix this year.

[JumboElliott]

Judging by twitter, he's training and he doesn't know if he'll be able to compete indoors this season.

[ATK]

Quick sidebar- Would Demps actually run in Istanbul if he qualified?

SEC's are the same weekend as nationals and NCAA's are the same weekend as Worlds

[gh]

As far as I now, Mike Rodgers penalty for a failed test from August of last year has not been determined. I have not seen anything in the IAAF newsletter or the usada.org page.

A blogger posted back in December that he was supposed to have his hearing on December 19. A subsequent post said that the hearing had been postponed. That's the sum total of our knowledge on the subject.

I get the feeling that methyelhexaneamine still has the boys in the suits a bit befuddled.

[polevaultpower]

He is entered in USATF Indoors, I don't know if he plans to race or not. http://www.usatf.org/events/2012/USAInd ... status.asp

[Walt Murphy]

He is entered in USATF Indoors, I don't know if he plans to race or not. http://www.usatf.org/events/2012/USAInd ... status.asp

His entry is now marked "not accepted"

[JumboElliott]

How did Yohan Blake get off so easy, but Rodgers is still dealing with this?

[fortyacresandamule]

How did Yohan Blake get off so easy, but Rodgers is still dealing with this?

He got off easy because the stimulant wasn't on the ban list at the time. Also he consumed the product in the form of an energy drink made by a USA company that was labeled WADA compliant.

[polevaultpower]

He is entered in USATF Indoors, I don't know if he plans to race or not. http://www.usatf.org/events/2012/USAInd ... status.asp

His entry is now marked "not accepted"

Is that even legit? He is automatically qualified for the meet as the defending champ. If he hasn't been given a penalty by anyone, how can they bar him from competition?

I mean I guess I should stop wasting energy on expecting TPTB at USATF to follow their organization's rules. I admit I'm not an expert on drug testing... but if a failed test means you can't do anything until it is cleared up, I don't know why he would have been listed as qualified or accepted and declared in the first place.

It's funny how zero tolerance seems to be very selectively applied.

[guru]

He is entered in USATF Indoors, I don't know if he plans to race or not. http://www.usatf.org/events/2012/USAInd ... status.asp

His entry is now marked "not accepted"

Is that even legit? He is automatically qualified for the meet as the defending champ.

Not exactly. To receive entry as a defending champion under rule 6-7(a), in lieu of a qualification standard, the competition committee must rule "the champion is in condition to defend the title."

So they have some discretion, and as far as we know that may actually be the reason they rejected his entry(though like you my instinct is to view the action through narrowed eyes)

[donley2]

He is entered in USATF Indoors, I don't know if he plans to race or not. http://www.usatf.org/events/2012/USAInd ... status.asp

His entry is now marked "not accepted"

Is that even legit? He is automatically qualified for the meet as the defending champ. If he hasn't been given a penalty by anyone, how can they bar him from competition?

I mean I guess I should stop wasting energy on expecting TPTB at USATF to follow their organization's rules. I admit I'm not an expert on drug testing... but if a failed test means you can't do anything until it is cleared up, I don't know why he would have been listed as qualified or accepted and declared in the first place.

It's funny how zero tolerance seems to be very selectively applied.

Others who really know can feel free to weigh in, but in many cases I thought voluntarily no longer competing and accepting a "provisional suspension" was often advantageous for the athlete in terms of a potential reduced sentence. I was also under the impression he may have in fact accepted a "provisional suspension" last year in August. Also note that most of the penalties for methylhexaneamine on this page http://www.usada.org/sanctions/ from late last year are 8 months. How they arrived at that figure is a mystery to me but counting from Aug 19th, 8 months would be April 19th.

[polevaultpower]

Not exactly. To receive entry as a defending champion under rule 6-7(a), in lieu of a qualification standard, the competition committee must rule "the champion is in condition to defend the title."

They let in other athletes under that rule who have not competed yet this year.

[gh]

He is entered in USATF Indoors, I don't know if he plans to race or not. http://www.usatf.org/events/2012/USAInd ... status.asp

His entry is now marked "not accepted"

Is that even legit? He is automatically qualified for the meet as the defending champ. If he hasn't been given a penalty by anyone, how can they bar him from competition?

I mean I guess I should stop wasting energy on expecting TPTB at USATF to follow their organization's rules. I admit I'm not an expert on drug testing... but if a failed test means you can't do anything until it is cleared up, I don't know why he would have been listed as qualified or accepted and declared in the first place.

It's funny how zero tolerance seems to be very selectively applied.

He was given a penalty... by himself! After the methylhex positive was announced, he voluntarily withdrew from the Daegu team pending ajudication of his case. Given that there has yet to be any ruling by WADA/USADA he's clearly ineligible. Whoever entered him is the one at fault here.

[guru]

Not exactly. To receive entry as a defending champion under rule 6-7(a), in lieu of a qualification standard, the competition committee must rule "the champion is in condition to defend the title."

They let in other athletes under that rule who have not competed yet this year.

Point I'm making is it is not a hard and fast rule

[gh]

He's on vacation until April 19.

see story on front page

[ATK]

He's on vacation until April 19.

see story on front page

That's good to hear. So besides this indoor season, he really is not missing much of anything. He can open up at Penn Relays or something.

[72]

But the front page report states Rodgers admitted lying about his excuse for cheating... Red Bull nonsense... and later admitted that it was not true.. How convenient that he can now run in the Trials.!!

[gh]

So he got the same 6 months as Blake and all the other hex-in-drinks people, and 3 months tacked on for being evasive. I've got no problem with that.

Given that he's the reigning World Indoor silver medalist, I'd say the extra 3 months was a not-insigificant add-on, given his prowess in the 60.

[donley2]

So he got the same 6 months as Blake and all the other hex-in-drinks people, and 3 months tacked on for being evasive. I've got no problem with that.

Given that he's the reigning World Indoor silver medalist, I'd say the extra 3 months was a not-insigificant add-on, given his prowess in the 60.

If you look at the sanctions page over at usada.org. I don't think 6 months is the standard anymore. The sanctions in the last few months for methylwhatever are all over the place.

[JumboElliott]

Well that disappoints me.

[iggy]

suspended for 9 months after testing positive for some jdshfalskjhfljksdhTHINE in an energy drink. its unfortunate but hey, rules are rules and Rodgers took full responsibility for his actions. Still have respect for the guy... Gatlin on the other hand, not so much. Rodgers due back next month, April 2012!

[guru]

This line from Rodgers' press release caught my eye -

...I have since learned that while acceptable in out-of-competition training, (methylhexamine) is banned from in-competition.

Is that true? I thought if a substance was banned, it was banned 24/7

[Blues]

This line from Rodgers' press release caught my eye -

...I have since learned that while acceptable in out-of-competition training, (methylhexamine) is banned from in-competition.

Is that true? I thought if a substance was banned, it was banned 24/7

I'm actually really surprised that he's saying he didn't know it was banned... After all the other cases of athletes testing positive for methylhexaneamine and receiving suspensions, he's saying he didn't know he couldn't take it during a competition?

Stimulants including methylhexaneamine, certain strong narcotics, glucocorticosteroids like prednisone (NOT anabolic steroids), and cannabinoids like marijuana are banned in-competition only.. They're usually substances that only provide their effect when they're in an athlete's bloodstream at therapeutic levels, and they generally don't leave a residual, beneficial, or performance enhancing effect when they're no longer in the body, so they're only banned for use during competitions... WADA's time period for when an in-competition prohibited substance is banned is from 12 hours prior to the start of the competition until either the end of the competition or the end of the drug screening collection for the competition, and testing positive for the substance any other time isn't a WADA violation. WADA has separate lists for prohibited substances that are banned at all times, for substances that are banned in-competition only, and for substances that are only banned in certain sports. A link to the WADA prohibited lists is below.

http://list.wada-ama.org/

[sprintdoc]

This rule of allowing stimulants in non competition times but banning during comp is one that needs a fresh look. I know of guys taking the stuff to enhance training by increasing workout performance and getting"clean" meet wise in time. If it helps in a meet then it helps in a practice and it thus should be banned 24/7 and not allowed in a non-comp period/test. Where is the logic in this decision???????

Wake up WADA and USADA!!!!!!!

[sprintdoc]

Let me also add that I have known of athletes seeing what is banned in this type of category purposely using it in practice figuring that if it is banned it has an impact and that means I should look to use it as it has enough impact to be a meet ban so its gotta help.

[JumboElliott]

This rule of allowing stimulants in non competition times but banning during comp is one that needs a fresh look. I know of guys taking the stuff to enhance training by increasing workout performance and getting"clean" meet wise in time. If it helps in a meet then it helps in a practice and it thus should be banned 24/7 and not allowed in a non-comp period/test. Where is the logic in this decision???????

Wake up WADA and USADA!!!!!!!

Stimulants are very temporary. WADA would end up banning coffee.

[26mi235]

This rule of allowing stimulants in non competition times but banning during comp is one that needs a fresh look. I know of guys taking the stuff to enhance training by increasing workout performance and getting"clean" meet wise in time. If it helps in a meet then it helps in a practice and it thus should be banned 24/7 and not allowed in a non-comp period/test. Where is the logic in this decision???????

Wake up WADA and USADA!!!!!!!

Better hope that no track and field athletes want to treat conditions such as ADHD (attention-deficit disorder).

[gh]

just ask Justin Gatlin