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Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2013

Postby Vault-emort » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:05 pm

The 2011 Aussie Aussie Aussie thread has been going for a coupla years now, so probably time to start a new one.

The old thread is here - viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34155
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:14 pm

Starting the thread off with a bit of topical stuff:

Nathan Deakes looks like he's added to the Olympic Team at 50k Walk.

Hunter Track Classic this Saturday - start lists are here: http://www.athletics.com.au/home/compet ... /startlist

- Women's 400m is the most interesting sprint event.
- 1500m fields for both sexes look pretty good.
- Dani and Benn in the disc.
- Josh Ross has his first serious 100m of his comeback.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:34 pm

The Aussie season is up and running with only a month until the Olympic trials in Melbourne. This weekend's Perth meeting has a number of decent fields with Women's Discus, Men's LJ and Men's 400 probably the strongest in terms of depth.

In other events, Sally Pearson will make her 2012 hurdles debut while Ryan Gregson will race Craig Mottram in the 1500. A dozen US athletes and a handful of other internationals provide some competition for the Aussies with conditions in Perth often favouring sprinters, horizontal jumpers and discus/javelin throwers.

Unfortunately a still underdone Steve Hooker has withdrawn, while local javelin star Kim Mickle and sprinter Jody Henry are also missing. In their absence, Ben Offereins will seek to be the local hero; he runs in a strong 400m field featuring American Greg Nixon and a few of Australia's best including national champ Steve Solomon, former Commonwealth Games champ John Steffensen and former WSG Champ Sean Wroe.

Alana Boyd, now living in Perth, could also challenge Kym Howe's national record and outdoor best.

Fields include:

100 Pearson Breen
200 Breen van Veenendaal Brennan
400 Steinert Baker USA Sargant Cuddihy IRL
800 Manou Hetherington Noack Buckman Smit NZL
1H Pearson Ali USA Miller NZL Wheatley
4H Boden Spence USA Harding GBR
PV Boyd Parnov Parnov
LJ Perkins Stratton Jaensch
DIS Samuals Brown USA Thurmond USA Ackman USA
JAV Mitchell Patterson USA

100 Rouge-Serret Davies Hough Ross
200 Rouge-Serret Davies Hough
400 Offereins Nixon USA Solomon Wroe Steffensen
15 Gregson Mottram
4H Garrett USA Gaymon USA Cole Boino PNG Brandwood GBR
PV Hollis USA Boyd Pocklington
HJ Zamel-Paez Armet Lodge
LJ Lapierre Stevens Crowther
TJ Frayne Jones Oke NGR
DIS Harradine Winger USA
JAV Robinson Peacock Outzen

Full entry lists: http://www.athletics.com.au/home/compet ... ntry_lists

First event scheduled for 1830 Perth time on 11 February. Check time differences here: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Live webcast of the meet: http://www.bigpondsport.com/Home/Summer ... fault.aspx
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:26 pm

Here's why Steve Hooker won't be competing. A lack of confidence has caused him to pull out of all domestic meets - including the Olympic trials... :shock:

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/pole-vau ... 1rkcq.html
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Dave » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:55 pm

Vault-emort wrote:Here's why Steve Hooker won't be competing. A lack of confidence has caused him to pull out of all domestic meets - including the Olympic trials... :shock:

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/pole-vau ... 1rkcq.html


This probably warrants its own discussion, but Hooker is not the first top level vaulter to lose his nerve. This sounds awfully close to what happened with Tommy Skipper 4-5 years ago. He just stopped being able to plant the pole.

Good luck to him. That seems to be awfully difficult to come back from.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Jumpman » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:24 pm

My best to Steve but here is something to think about.

Isn't it great that the A.A. are looking after him and helping him in everyway they can to get him back to top shape. I personally I think it is fantastic and is the way it should be done.

Now lets look at our USATF and how they would work with our Champion's given the same situations.

Are you looking. I am too, however I see nothing. Oh wait that is the same thing they do.

NOTHING How sad.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby typpo » Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:31 pm

I think something like this happened early in Hooker's career too, though it may not have been as severe and it certainly wasn't as public. Watching him in Daegu was like watching a completely different athlete to the one who won in Beijing, Berlin, Melbourne, etc etc - he just looked like somebody who wanted to be somewhere else. It was heart-wrenching. Hopefully he can bounce back soon - he's such a great athlete and one of the genuine good guys of the sport.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby mal » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:28 am

Dave wrote:
Vault-emort wrote:Here's why Steve Hooker won't be competing. A lack of confidence has caused him to pull out of all domestic meets - including the Olympic trials... :shock:

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/pole-vau ... 1rkcq.html


This probably warrants its own discussion, but Hooker is not the first top level vaulter to lose his nerve. This sounds awfully close to what happened with Tommy Skipper 4-5 years ago. He just stopped being able to plant the pole.

Good luck to him. That seems to be awfully difficult to come back from.


I agree. Its looks more head than anything else. Doesn't seem like he wants to compete if he can't win. And if he thinks he can win, he does win.

Seems like its easier to quit smoking.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:11 am

Stream is working well from link above. Henry Frayne has twice beaten his PB in the TJ and leads with 17.14
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:59 am

Vault-emort wrote:Stream is working well from link above. Henry Frayne has twice beaten his PB in the TJ and leads with 17.14


The stream is working so well at my laptop that I have been drawing stick figures and then smudging them so that I can't quite see what I've just drawn. Roll on the NBN......
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:36 am

Liver results seem randomly delayed. Event 22, W200 is up but Event 4, MDT with 3 competitors is not, along with Event 16, the W400H, although Event 17 onwards is, so it's not just the usual field events that get updated 3 hours after the last event is finished.....
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:06 am

Athleticsimaging wrote:The stream is working so well at my laptop that I have been drawing stick figures and then smudging them so that I can't quite see what I've just drawn. Roll on the NBN......

really? I'm using a wireless USB and haven't had a millisecond of buffering throughout. Best livestream I've ever seen. The direction and some of the commentary, however....

Anyway congrats to Frayne, Alana Boyd and Lauren Boden (as well as Sally) for the performances of the night. Most results a bit disappointing though..
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:11 am

In case you're after the M DIS results, 65.46m won it for Winger. 63.40 for Harradine.

Boden won in 55.61 about 3.2 seconds ahead of second (Pekin from memory).
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby AS » Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:45 pm

Full results - Perth Feb 11:

Women 100 Metre
(w: 0.4) 1, Pearson, Sally, QAS, 11.28A. 2, Breen, Melissa, ACTAS, 11.53. 3,
Wisil, Toea, PNG, 11.76. 4, van Veenendaal, Charlotte, VIC, 11.84. 5, Butler,
Hayley, NSW, 11.85. 6, Wrench-Doody, Alicia, SA, 11.96. 7, Whaler, Laura,
NSWIS, 12.04. 8, Attenborough, Crystal, NTIS, 12.07. 9, Wearne, Christine,
NSW, 12.37.
Women 200 Metre
(w: -0.5) 1, Breen, Melissa, ACTAS, 23.76. 2, Butler, Hayley, NSW, 23.80. 3,
Wisil, Toea, PNG, 24.00. 4, Brennan, Monica, VIC, 24.03. 5, van Veenendaal,
Charlotte, VIC, 24.30. 6, Whaler, Laura, NSWIS, 24.51. 7, Wrench-Doody,
Alicia, SA, 24.54.
Women 400 Metre
1, Cuddihy, Joanne, IRL, 52.08. 2, Steinert, Pirrenee, NSWIS, 52.74. 3,
Pincott, Caitlin, QLD, 52.78. 4, Baker, Keshia, USA, 53.00. 5, Sargent,
Caitlin, QLD, 53.48. 6, Steinert, Sheena, NSW, 54.25. 7, Starr, Jaimee-Lee,
NSW, 55.44. 8, Hogan, Alysse, WA, 57.14.
Women 800 Metre
1, Manou, Tamsyn, VIC, 2:03.20. 2, Curnow, Eliza, VIC, 2:04.28. 3,
Katsanevakis, Katherine, VIC, 2:05.22. 4, Noack, Holly, WA, 2:05.49. 5,
Toemoe, Sianne, NSWIS, 2:05.69. 6, Smit, Angela, NZL, 2:05.89. 7, Hollick,
Monique, WA, 2:07.20. 8, McGinnity, Kelly, WA, 2:08.93. --, Pincott, Caitlin,
QLD, DNF.
Women 100 Metre Hurdles
(w: 0.4) 1, Pearson, Sally, QAS, 12.86A. 2, Ali, Nia, USA, 13.39. 3, Miller,
Andrea, NZL, 13.48. 4, Wheatley, Megan, WA, 13.95. 5, McCann, Shannon, WA,
13.96. 6, Beahan, Brianna, WA, 14.04. 7, Taddeo, Abbie, NSW, 14.35. 8,
Scwhass, Poppy, WA, 14.45.
Women 400 Metre Hurdles

1, Boden, Lauren, AIS, 55.61M. 2, Pekin, Lyndsay, WA, 58.44. 3, Carli, Sarah, < br /> NSW, 59.10. 4, Spence, Christine, USA, 59.18. 5, Consedine, Tessa, VIC, 59.66.
6, Harding, Faye, GBR, 60.03. 7, Ryan, Kate, VIC, 61.01. 8, Solin, Ella, WA,
63.17.
Women Pole Vault
1, Boyd, Alana, WAIS, 4.66m (Aust outdoor best). 2, Parnov, Vicky, WAIS, 4.35m. 3, Parnov,
Elizabeth, WAIS, 4.25m. 4, McCathrion, Paris, VIS, 3.90m. 4, Lucock,
Charmaine, QAS, 3.90m. 4, Marchant, Rebecca, VIC, 3.90m.
Women Long Jump
1, Perkins, Kerrie, ACT, 6.45m, w:0.8. 2, Stratton, Brooke, VIS, 6.43m,
w:+0.0. 3, Jaensch, Chelsea, SA, 6.19m, w:1.4. 4, Perry, Larissa, WA, 6.07m,
w:1.4. 5, Knight, Emma, VIC, 5.91m, w:1.8.
Women Discus
1, Trafton-Brown, Stephanie, USA, 61.71m. 2, Thurmond, Aretha, USA, 60.96m. 3,
Samuels, Dani, NSWIS, 60.74m. 4, Mulhall, Kim, VIS, 54.00m. 5, Ackman, Sara,
USA, 51.05m. 6, Gollshewsky, Taryn, QAS, 49.43m.
Wom en Javelin
1, Patterson, Kara, USA, 59.18m. 2, Mitchell, Kathryn, VIC, 54.15m. 3,
Cilione, Monique, VIS, 46.99m. 4, Gallagher, Jessica, VIS, 33.48m.


Men 100 Metre B Race .
(w: -0.3) 1, McCabe, Andrew, QLD, 10.59. 2, Stubbs, Aaron, QLD, 10.63. 3,
Gander, Liam, NSW, 10.70. 4, Donovan, Hugh, QLD, 10.73. 5, Emsavana, Andrew,
WA, 10.92. 6, Simpson, Nick, WA, 11.19. --, Chuot, Mangar, WA, DNF.
Men 100 Metre
(w: 0.7) 1, Alozie, Anthony, NSWIS, 10.37. 2, Ntiamoah, Isaac, NSW, 10.43. 3,
Hough, Nicholas, NSWIS, 10.47. 3, Williams-Swain, Mitchell, QLD, 10.47. 5,
Fakiye, Patrick, NSWIS, 10.50. 6, Leathart, Tim, NSW, 10.52. 7, Rouge-Serret,
Aaron, VIS, 10.54. 8, Hammond, Jake, NSWIS, 10.56. --, Davies, Matt, QLD, DQ.
Men 200 Metre
(w: 1.1) 1, Hough, Nicholas, NSWIS, 20.79M. 2, McCabe, Andrew, QLD, 20.82M. 3,
Davies, Matt, QLD, 20.90. 4, Leathart, Tim, NSW, 21.05. 5, Ntiamoah, Isaac,
NSW, 21.26. 6, Hammond, Jake, NSWIS, 21.33. 7, Gander, Liam, NSW, 21.38. 8,
Donovan, Hugh, QLD, 21.43.
Men 400 Metre
1, Steffensen, John, NSWIS, 46.11. 2, Solomon, Steven, NSWIS, 46.26. 3,
Offereins, Ben, WAIS, 46.49. 4, Nixon, Greg, USA, 46.91. 5, Moore, Kevin,
NSWIS, 46.99. 6, Carew, Alexander, VIC, 47.34. 7, Wroe, Sean, VIS, 47.67. 8,
Boden, James, WA, 49.06.
Men 1500 Metre
1, Rowe, Brenton, AUT, 3:39.11M. 2, Williamz, Jordan, VIS, 3:39.91. 3,
McCormick, Nick, GBR, 3:41.54. 4, Robinson, Brett, ACT, 3:41.95. 5, See, Marc,
WA, 3:43.09. 6, Blicavs, Mark, VIC, 3:43.81. 7, Vernon, Andy, GBR, 3:46.77. 8,
Robinson, Paul, IRL, 3:48.87. 9, Hartley, Chris, SA, 3:54.15. 10, Miller,
Chartt, WA, 3:55.78. 11, Tamblin, Scott, WA, 3:58.19. 12, Tedesco, Joshua, WA,
4:03.19. --, Barnard, Daniel, WA, DNF.
Men 110 Metre Hurdles
(w: 1.4) 1, Eyears, Greg, NSW, 14.47. 2, Khongbut, Ben, VIC, 14.53. 3, Tysoe,
Mitchell, NSW, 14.60.
Men 400 Metre Hurdles
1, Gaymon, Justin, USA, 50.21. 2, Cole, Brendon, ACT, 50.60. 3, Boino, Mowan,
PNG, 51.27. 4, Garrett, LaBronze, USA, 51.53. 5, Roff, James, NSW, 53.22. 6,
Wurm, Oliver, ACT, 55.36. 7, Fuller, Nick, NSW, 55.51. --, Brandwood, Danny,
NSW, DQ.
Men Pole Vault
1, Hollis, Mark, USA, 5.35m. 2, Pocklington, Joel, VIC, 5.15m. 3, Boyd, Matt,
QLD, 5.00m. 4, Cross, Brodie, VIC, 4.85m. 4, Filshie, James, VIC, 4.85m. 6,
Sherry, Cam, QLD, 4.70m.
Men Long Jump
1, Lapierre, Fabrice, NSWIS, 7.81m, w:1.4. 2, Fletcher, Shaun, QLD, 7.39m,
w:2.3. 3, Crowe, Scott, VIC, 7.28m, w:0.1. 4, Stevens, Robert, VIC, 7.07m,
w:0.9. 5, Andrews, Jeremy, WA, 7.06m, w:2.6. 6, Rabone, Adam, VIC, 6.58m,
w:0.2.
Men Triple Jump
1, Frayne, Henry, QAS, 17.14m, w:2.5. (and 17.09 legal - PB, =#3 all time Aussie) 2, Oke, Tosen, NGR, 16.15m, w:0.1. 3,
Rabone, Adam, VIC, 15.94m, w:1.7. 4, Lumley, Joshua, NSW, 15.75m, w:+0.0.
Men Discus
1, Winger, Russell, USA, 65.46mA. 2, Harradine, Benn, VIS, 63.40m. 3, Hicks,
Graham, VIC, 51.41m.
Men Javelin
1, Peacock, Hamish, TIS, 78.10m. 2, Outzen, Matthew, NSWIS, 77.17m. 3, White,
William, QLD, 73.35m. 4, Cann, Luke, VIS, 72.50m. 5, Robinson, Josh, QLD,
71.89m. 6, Castle, Brett, VIC, 71.62m. 7, Andria, luanga, VIC, 67.51m. 8,
Hogan, Cruz, WA, 62.12m.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:44 am

Vault-emort wrote:really? I'm using a wireless USB and haven't had a millisecond of buffering throughout. Best livestream I've ever seen. The direction and some of the commentary, however....


Worked well on the third try, just in time to see Alana's last vault from an obviously cheap, multi-purpose camera location. Flakiness must have been local issues. Like I said, roll on NBN.


Vault-emort wrote:Anyway congrats to Frayne, Alana Boyd and Lauren Boden (as well as Sally) for the performances of the night. Most results a bit disappointing though..


Glad I didn't spend the coin to head overland - there's certainly some real sadness in AS's post. I hope to see better (live) at the trials in a few weeks but the chances seem as high as a redhead's vault....
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:33 pm

Sydney meet coming up tomorrow night (about 34 hours away).

Live webcast again at: http://www.bigpondsport.com/Home/Summer ... fault.aspx

Full entry list: http://www.athletics.com.au/home/compet ... entry_list
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby JumboElliott » Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:27 pm

Sally Pearson runs a ridiculously long season.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:34 pm

JumboElliott wrote:Sally Pearson runs a ridiculously long season.

She does? Last year weren't the comments that she ran a short (European) season?

What if she was a European or US hurdler currently running 60s and 60Hs and aiming at the WIC as well as the OG?

Anyway, her programme seems to be working out just fine. Since 2007 she has only failed to achieve her major goal during one season (2009 injury).
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby JumboElliott » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:58 pm

Oh, if she doesn't win Gold at the Olympics, that's perhaps the biggest upset in my mind, but her outdoor season started really early. It doesn't seem to hurt her.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:04 am

Results from tonight include:

400 Steffensen 45.61 Rudisha KEN 45.82
800 Kiprop KEN 1-45.91 Riseley 1-46.55
1500 Torrence USA 3-35.66 Birmingham 3-35.74
400H Gaymon USA 49.77 Cole 50.02
SC Kipchoge KEN 8-19.14 Abdi 8-22.01
LJ Frayne 8.27 (+1.4 ) Lapierre 8.02 (+1.2)
SP/DIS Winger USA 20. 51/62.98

200 Pearson 23.06 (-1.8)
400 Cuddihy IRL 51.86 Baker USA 52.47
800 Manou 2-01.53
1500 Buckman 4-09.89
100H Pearson 12.66 (+1.5)
400H Boden 55.45
PV Boyd 4.60 Vicki Parnov 4.30 (Liz Parnov 4.50 NJR last night in Perth)
LJ Perkins 6.58 (0.0)
SP Vili NZL 20.67
DIS Brown-Trafton USA 63.23 Samuels 60.68 Thurmond USA 60.12
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:12 am

JumboElliott wrote: It doesn't seem to hurt her.

She had a good double tonight and a fast time in the 100H though she smacked the last hurdle.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:48 am

Vault-emort wrote:Results from tonight include:

I couldn't make the distance to Sydney, so had to rely on the inconsistent Telstra online coverage and the reliably unlive for field events AA website. Still, as usual, I have an opinion on things I neither saw, nor know much about...

400 Steffensen 45.61 Rudisha KEN 45.82

Steffensen looks like he is heading back to his top form and is likely to get an A qualifier in the Australian season. Rudisha shames the rest of the Australian one-lappers.
800 Kiprop KEN 1-45.91 Riseley 1-46.55
Fantastic time for Riseley if he did run that time off a 130km training week. Just keep that differential to WC Kiprop in the northern season and all will be well. :)
1500 Torrence USA 3-35.66 Birmingham 3-35.74

Birmingham runs just slightly slower than his Brussels PB of 3:35.50 from 2010, so looks like he will be the new Mottram if he stays uninjured.[edit to add: the only Australian that seemed to have any idea was GeeTee who predicted a 3:35.91 for Collis on runnerstribe. If only he could manage to post his infinite predictions here as well :mrgreen: ]
400H Gaymon USA 49.77 Cole 50.02

Cole was on course for a sub-50 until he slightly stuffed up 9 and then almost came to a complete stop on 10.
SC Kipchoge KEN 8-19.14 Abdi 8-22.01

If Kipchoge was paid to pacemake, he was a failure out in front by 50m+ after 400m. Abdi still ran well enough to make an A and beat his own meet record of 8:22.98.
LJ Frayne 8.27 (+1.4 ) Lapierre 8.02 (+1.2)

Frayne becomes only the second Australian to go 8m/17m after Phil May (8.04/17.02A) in '70 and Mexico OG and LaPierre starts to show some better form in the Oz season (at least compared to last season).
SP/DIS Winger USA 20. 51/62.98

That's a pretty good one day(3 hour!) double for somebody on their off season. [edit to add:John Godina managed a single-day double of 21.95m/67.06 on 9 June 2001 on Palo Alto.] Aussie Ben Harradine did not compet in the discus due to a knee injury. No detail from the commentary (grrrr) so I assume that it is the same problem that has affected him since last year.

200 Pearson 23.06 (-1.8)

Only 4 hundredths off her PB of 23.02 (-0.4) set in 2009 so easily her best run of all time.

400 Cuddihy IRL 51.86 Baker USA 52.47

The 4x400 looks like a real winner.... :oops:
800 Manou 2-01.53

Tamsyn replays every year since 1997 and makes all the competition look mediocre. No wonder I love her.....as an athlete.
1500 Buckman 4-09.89

The 1500 Tamsyn for the next decade. Nuff said.
100H Pearson 12.66 (+1.5)

Well, in heavy training(assumed), no competition, thinking about a later 200m, smashes the last hurdle and still beats her 2009 meet record of 12,81 and runs her fastest Australian season hurdles ever, including her 12.81 (-1.1) last year on her way to her WC 12.28.
400H Boden 55.45

Boden sneaks under the A qualifier even though her last few hurdles were sub-optimal. Looks like she is well on her way to a mid-54 later in the year. Well done to her and coach Matt Beckenham.
PV Boyd 4.60 Vicki Parnov 4.30 (Liz Parnov 4.50 NJR last night in Perth)

Boyd has apparently transferred her yips to ginger boy and is now consistent over 4.60 in her last 3 comps. The Parnovs seem likely to both be over the A qualifier of 4.50 by the end of the season. Are there any other family PV combos of similar standard?
LJ Perkins 6.58 (0.0)

At 33, Kerrie seems to be back at her best and is looking capable of beating her 2006 PB of 6.66 and hitting the A qualifier of 6.75. The names at the top of the Oz all-time list all seem...
SP Vili NZL 20.67

Valerie beats her meet best of 20.57 from 2010 and falls agonisigingly short of the Australian all-comers record of 20.69m set by world record holder Natalya Lisovskaya in 1985.

DIS Brown-Trafton USA 63.23 Samuels 60.68 Thurmond USA 60.12

Samuels is slowly picking up distance but the lack of coverage prevents me from commenting on whether there is hope or depression to arise from this...
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:43 pm

Athleticsimaging wrote:Still, as usual, I have an opinion on things I neither saw, nor know much about...
:shock: ppl do that on the interwebs?

Steffensen looks like he is heading back to his top form and is likely to get an A qualifier in the Australian season.
Solid run, though his post-race interview was rather subdued for the IJWT icon.. Still, he did enough to have at least one section of the crowd booing his comments..

Birmingham runs just slightly slower than his Brussels PB of 3:35.50 from 2010, so looks like he will be the new Mottram if he stays uninjured.[edit to add: the only Australian that seemed to have any idea was GeeTee who predicted a 3:35.91 for Collis on runnerstribe.
I quite like Torrence, but the little b@$+@rd cost me a new pair of shoes and a singlet! :cry:

400H Gaymon USA 49.77 Cole 50.02
Cole was on course for a sub-50 until he slightly stuffed up 9 and then almost came to a complete stop on 10.
And a very welcome return to the 400H by Tristan Thomas. Still underdone, but if he has good health he can get the OQ mark by cut-off time.

SC Kipchoge KEN 8-19.14 Abdi 8-22.01
If Kipchoge was paid to pacemake, he was a failure out in front by 50m+ after 400m.

lol I remember thinking, just after the gun, 'he's not gonna be one of these pacemakers who keeps going, is he?..' His 8-19 <ETA> is (oops) not a PB though

LJ Frayne 8.27 (+1.4 ) Lapierre 8.02 (+1.2)
Frayne becomes only the second Australian to go 8m/17m after Phil May (8.04/17.02A) in '70 and Mexico OG and LaPierre starts to show some better form in the Oz season (at least compared to last season).

Hank one of very few shining lights so far in 2012 and will join Uncle Bruce in the Olympic lists

200 Pearson 23.06 (-1.8)Only 4 hundredths off her PB of 23.02 (-0.4) set in 2009 so easily her best run of all time.
Most athletes would be happy with a 12.66 WL in the hurdles, but Sal looked soooo pissed not to have broken 23.

800 Manou 2-01.53 Tamsyn replays every year since 1997 and makes all the competition look mediocre. No wonder I love her.....as an athlete.
Miss Lewis would have gone sub 2-00 in previous years after good pace and a 600m split which I'm sure was pretty decent, but Mrs Manou just didn't have it in her legs up the straight. The aths scene downunder will not be the same next year.

1500 Buckman 4-09.89The 1500 Tamsyn for the next decade. Nuff said.
I'm presuming McKnight and Clarke are injured?

PV Boyd 4.60 Vicki Parnov 4.30 (Liz Parnov 4.50 NJR last night in Perth)Are there any other family PV combos of similar standard?

Well of course, there are the Boyds!

LJ Perkins 6.58 (0.0)The names at the top of the Oz all-time list all seem...

old?

DIS Brown-Trafton USA 63.23 Samuels 60.68 Thurmond USA 60.12 Samuels is slowly picking up distance but the lack of coverage prevents me from commenting...

Well the MLJ, MSP, MDIS, and WPV were also ignored by the director..and that didn't seem to stop ya! :P
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby GMH454 » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:35 pm

SBT boomed her biggie on her first throw. 63m at this time of the year is very good, and she showed some signs technically of having something big later on. Still rather eratic in comps also threw what looked like mid 50s, but there also was a long sector foul looked also like 61 + maybe more. This is an olympic year and she will be a factor.

Dani got better as the comp went on her 60+ looked very good, but does not seem to have same bounce she used to have when around the competition

Sally's 12.66 was very business like, if you did not know the time it could have been a training run, no interview afterwards, straight off the track (missed the 200m as we tried to beat the crush from the stadium next door, failed in that and spent the next 45 minutes in the car park)

Boyd looked physically better than I saw her last (2 years ago) and on one of her 4.70s she was over the bar, and came down on it. Sometimes she penetrates the pit really well and takes it off with her legs going way higher than the bar, but on this one she was a little shallow, and came down on it. She has 4.70 in her, but must get the penetration in the pit just right.
Our seat was exactly opposite the bar, great seats.

I admire the two Parnov girls enormously I just wish they could get more speed (something we all need)

and over on the right Val was having a real party. Opened on around 20.09 then had a couple more at or near 20m (she walked out on something that any other shot putter in the world would love to have around mid high 19s) and threw 20.61 and finally 20.67..

she and Sally were the stars (just like in Dageu)

and Frayne was too far away to comment on, but is someone whose days have come..

Shirvo ran in the celebrity race, which just highlighted how much our sprint corp has fallen
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby mal » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:04 pm

Athleticsimaging wrote:
Vault-emort wrote:Results from tonight include:

I couldn't make the distance to Sydney, so had to rely on the inconsistent Telstra online coverage and the reliably unlive for field events AA website. Still, as usual, I have an opinion on things I neither saw, nor know much about...

LJ Frayne 8.27 (+1.4 ) Lapierre 8.02 (+1.2)

Frayne becomes only the second Australian to go 8m/17m after Phil May (8.04/17.02A) in '70 and Mexico OG and LaPierre starts to show some better form in the Oz season (at least compared to last season).
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Phil May - the 'only' Australian Athlete to hold both a Commonwealth Track and a Commonwealth Field event record at the same time.
Or was it first?
Relay 4 X100 m 39.2, TJ 17.02
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:42 pm

mal wrote:Phil May - the 'only' Australian Athlete to hold both a Commonwealth Track and a Commonwealth Field event record at the same time.
Or was it first?
Relay 4 X100 m 39.2, TJ 17.02

First Aussie male maybe.

Decima Norman (220y & Long Jump 1938)
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby AS » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:42 pm

Frayne's A qualifier in the LJ shifts the pressure onto Fabrice Lapierre (and R.Crowther) to get to 8.20m+ ASAP.

With Watt preselected, there's no way a B (8.10-8.19m) is going to cut it.

Here's hoping Frayne can get the very demanding TJ A (17.20m) down here in Melbourne.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Smoke » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:15 pm

Sally was all out, and far from businesslike in any of her races. She goes hard, and the times show it.

Steffensen is progressing as planned. Way too much made of his JOKE in Perth, and his personality is sorely needed as Hooker battles the yips and Sally complains about rolling starts and not breaking 23 in the 200.

Great runs by Tamsyn and Birmingham and Boden!

Overall fun meets to be around, need more venues like these around the States, to get butts in a seats and crowd noise. Looking forward to Melbourne!
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:32 pm

AS wrote:With Watt preselected, there's no way a B (8.10-8.19m) is going to cut it..
I just hope it doesn't get as messy as women's 400m was in 1992.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:14 pm

I see the Aussie team for the World Indoors was supposed to be announced around 20 Feb.

Qualified athletes:

Jeff Riseley (800/1500)
Ryan Foster (1500)
Collis Birmingham (3k)
Ben St Lawrence (3k)
Craig Mottram (3k)
Mitch Watt (LJ)
Henry Frayne (LJ/TJ)
Dale Stevenson (SP)

Sally Pearson (60/60H)
Alana Boyd (PV)

Be good to see at least Boyd and Frayne join Sal on the team and get some more experience at top-level.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:08 pm

Jana pulls out of the trials. Looking to qualify for OG via Nationals (April) and Japan (May).

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6278386991
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:36 pm

Start lists for Melbourne next week are out. The back-straight mob (assuming there still is one at Lakeside...) will enjoy the fields below with PBs (listed) a chance for many:

M 1500m
3-30.46 Asbel Kiprop KEN
3-31.06 Ryan Gregson AUS
3-31.79 Nick Willis NZL
3-32.93 Jeff Riseley AUS
3-34.25 David Torrence USA
3-38.68 Brenton Rowe AUT
3-39.47 Jordy Williamsz AUS
3-39.57 Ryan Foster AUS
3-40.41 Brett Robinson AUS
3-40.50 Paul Robinson IRL
3-41.68 Josh Wright AUS
3-43.81 Mark Blicavs AUS

M 5000m
debut Jairus Kipchoge KEN
12-55.76 Craig Mottram AUS
13-10.08 Ben St Lawrence AUS
13-10.97 Collis Birmingham AUS
13-22.38 Jake Robertson NZL
13-24.11 Ben True USA
13-25.34 Nick McCormack GBR
13-25.63 David McNeill AUS
13-25.82 Brandon Bethke USA
13-27.85 Andy Vernon GBR
13-34.58 Harry Summers AUS
13-40.98 Brett Robinson AUS
13-43.32 Liam Adams AUS
13-54.67 Brenton Rowe AUT
13-57.80 Jackson Elliott AUS
14-23.38 Will Leer USA

Full lists (some errors included) - http://www.athletics.com.au/home/compet ... elbournetc

PS - Michael Frater joins Kim Collins as the big names competing at the Stawell Gift in a few weeks.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby typpo » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:03 pm

Alana Boyd vaulted a 4.76 AR in Perth last night.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:32 pm

So what did people think about last night's 7.30 Report 'expose' of AA selection? Didn't think there was anything much in it myself, although a couple of Hollingsworth's answers made me laugh..
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:42 pm

The weather seems to be Melbourneising :evil: nicely:

Friday 2 March
Summary Min 17 Max 23
A little rain. Cloudy. Patchy rain. Winds east to southeasterly averaging up to 40 km/h becoming easterly up to 35 km/h by early evening.

Saturday 3 March
Summary Min 17 Max 25
Rain developing.Cloudy. Rain at times. Winds northeasterly averaging up to 45 km/h.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:09 am

Vault-emort wrote:So what did people think about last night's 7.30 Report 'expose' of AA selection? Didn't think there was anything much in it myself, although a couple of Hollingsworth's answers made me laugh..


I just watched it now - hardly an exemplar of investigative reporting :roll:

Anyway, sometimes I agree with Bideau, sometimes I don't but he is right in saying that you should send as many people as you can. What this does is give hope to those athletes that take some time to mature. A few extra years in the sport can make all the difference and there are plenty of Australian medal winners who were not underage superstars.

This obsessive focus on picking winners from U-18 has destroyed the sport by belittling the "club men", the honest toilers who provided a range of performance standards that demonstrated a path from school athlete to club champion to State champion to National champion to Olympic athlete.

If "that old no talent bastard" can do that, youthful arrogance can see and realise that they can do better. Once they achieve that, they can set their sights on the next level and so on. If you only have school standard athletes and hand picked A qualifiers and nothing in between, you will have a hollowed out excuse for a sport - which we have.

Sure there will occasionally be, as Gary Bourne stated, 4 guys chasing three spots in the LJ but this is not down to AA setting high standards, this is a random peak which will be followed by a trough as has happened in all events over time. If the system was causing this, then it would be happening across the board wouldn't it?

In fact, the substantial contribution he makes is due to the very thing I described above - he has always had a range of athletes in his squad and provided them with excellent coaching generating a conveyor belt carrying them all forward to the limit of their genetic potential.

The question is, if Gary or Gus Puopolo went under the proverbial bus tomorrow, would the AA "system" produce an equivalent number of jumpers and throwers in 5 years? I think not.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Vault-emort » Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:53 am

Yes, I agree with most of your points.

I wish the reporter asking Hollingsworth questions was wired up with an ear-piece so that others could have directed his questions a bit...

It might have gone something like this:

A) I've been in the position before - where the phone goes after Australia doesn't do well at championships.
Q) Who rings you Eric? What exactly do they say? and Do they ever ring you and ask why we don't have anyone near the qualification standard in <pick an event>?

Q) Why not send a women's four x 100 to the Commonwealth Games?
A) Because they didn't qualify.
Q) Well there aren't actually any qualification standards for Commonwealth relay teams
A) Err well..it's not a development event. The Commonwealth Games is part of the cycle of one of the major championships. You don't use things like the Olympic Games and the World Championship just to develop people.
Q) I wasn't talking about Olympics or WC - I said CG. Don't you think it's significant, Eric, that three of our highest profile track gold medallists (Pearson, Freeman, Lewis) in recent years all started their senior international careers as relay runners?
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:44 am

Weather trending from very bad to merely mediocre, thus mirroring Australian sprint stocks...

Friday 2 March
Min 16 Max 22
Mostly dry. Chance of any rain: 30%
Rainfall amount: 0 to 1 mm
Cloudy. Isolated showers about but dry for most of the day. Winds east to southeasterly averaging up to 45 km/h becoming easterly up to 30 km/h later in the evening.

Saturday 3 March
Min 16 Max 21
Rain at times. Cloudy. Areas of rain. Winds northeasterly averaging up to 45 km/h.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Smoke » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:33 am

Saw the 7:30 piece, clearly something unsaid going on. The criticisms were unexplained, the editing weird, and the story unsubstantiated. It was weird to me, if an athlete is good enough they go, so I missed what th gripe was in that piece.

After 5 weeks of summer in Perth and Sydney, Melbourne reminds me of 2000 Games with this winter weather. Cold, windy, wet. Booooooo! Not how I wanted to end this trip.
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Re: Aussie Aussie Aussie - 2012

Postby Athleticsimaging » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:58 am

Smoke wrote:Saw the 7:30 piece, clearly something unsaid going on. The criticisms were unexplained, the editing weird, and the story unsubstantiated. It was weird to me, if an athlete is good enough they go, so I missed what th gripe was in that piece.

After 5 weeks of summer in Perth and Sydney, Melbourne reminds me of 2000 Games with this winter weather. Cold, windy, wet. Booooooo! Not how I wanted to end this trip.


Smoke, you just have to remember that there is nothing between Melbourne and Antarctica, so that wild, cold, polar weather can make its way north without any trouble, even in summer. I'm heading down to Melbourne tomorrow because the weather is better than Canberra (true story!), so I'll buy you a beer if I see you. Just look around the crowd and when you see somebody you just don't like the look of, smack him in the back of the head - that will be me. Guaranteed. Would I lie to you? :D
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