..on that Jama 4x1 team. With some twekking/creativity he could run a higher % of the race than anyone else. As we know it's not uncommon to have your fastest/stud on that ...long (if done right)....second leg. Ato Boldon, Daneil Sangouma, Christophe LeMaitre, Makusha at FSU, Leroy Burrell, Bernard Williams at Barton have all ran that second leg. Which makes all the sense in the world. Why wouldn't you want your fastest sprinter running a leg designed to maximize his presense? Why run 4 sprinters with varying speeds the same distance....makes no sense.
The fastest splits will be that second leg and the anchor. So why not do all you can to have the stick in those sprinters hands as much as possible?
Usain Bolt could do more damage there than on that third or anchor leg. I would make some attempt at getting the stick to him early and him handing off late. Take full advantage of the fastest sprinter the world has ever seen. To cut the pie up in four pieces exactly the same....why? The more Usain Bolt and Asafa Powell the better.
Remember when France had that WR 4x1 team, without a sub10.00 sprinter?
37.79 France
Max Moriniére (10.58) Daniel Sangouma (8.90) Jean-Charles Trouabal (9.21) Bruno Marie-Rose (9.10)
This is how dramatic a second leg can be...
37.77 United States
Jon Drummond (10.46) Bernard Williams (8.83) Darvis Patton (9.41) Maurice Greene (9.07)
37.50 United States
Andre Cason (10.30) ..has split sub 9.00 at least twice I know of on the second leg. Leroy Burrell (8.91) Dennis Mitchell (9.22) Carl Lewis (9.07)
38.15 United States
John Capel (10.44) Justin Gatlin (8.99) Coby Miller (9.73) Joshua J. Johnson (8.99)
Avante wrote:..on that Jama 4x1 team. With some twekking/creativity he could run a higher % of the race than anyone else. ...Why wouldn't you want your fastest sprinter running a leg designed to maximize his presense? Why run 4 sprinters with varying speeds the same distance....makes no sense.
The fastest splits will be that second leg and the anchor. So why not do all you can to have the stick in those sprinters hands as much as possible?
Usain Bolt could do more damage there than on that third or anchor leg. I would make some attempt at getting the stick to him early and him handing off late. Take full advantage of the fastest sprinter the world has ever seen. To cut the pie up in four pieces exactly the same....why? The more Usain Bolt and Asafa Powell the better.
At first I thought you were kidding, but now I'm convinced that you just don't know what you're talking about when it comes to relays. Showing the splits for all of the other relays only illustrates that you haven't a clue. There is absolutely no reason whatsover that an international relay would be set up this way. It's silly on so many levels that the fact that you don't understand it only makes it harder to explain to you.
Avante wrote:..on that Jama 4x1 team. With some twekking/creativity he could run a higher % of the race than anyone else. ...Why wouldn't you want your fastest sprinter running a leg designed to maximize his presense? Why run 4 sprinters with varying speeds the same distance....makes no sense.
The fastest splits will be that second leg and the anchor. So why not do all you can to have the stick in those sprinters hands as much as possible?
Usain Bolt could do more damage there than on that third or anchor leg. I would make some attempt at getting the stick to him early and him handing off late. Take full advantage of the fastest sprinter the world has ever seen. To cut the pie up in four pieces exactly the same....why? The more Usain Bolt and Asafa Powell the better.
At first I thought you were kidding, but now I'm convinced that you just don't know what you're talking about when it comes to relays. Showing the splits for all of the other relays only illustrates that you haven't a clue. There is absolutely no reason whatsover that an international relay would be set up this way. It's silly on so many levels that the fact that you don't understand it only makes it harder to explain to you.
First of all Preston...it's not working. This...I'm here to teach...hahaha!!!!! To think any coach of any 4x1 team doesn't want to maximize the abilities of his best sprinters is ridiculous. Which tells me you're clueless about what a 4x1 relay is all about. I assumed it was obvious....guess not....that those examples were to illustrate just what can be done on that second as opposed to the others. Not surprised you struggled with the obvious.
Sorry Preston but you do not want to run equal legs knowing you have difference speed per leg. It's called...common sense.
Avante, the times for the splits do not relate directly to the length run on the leg and the question is not quite the one that you focus on. It is really the differential in time when you switch order. Since the acceleration/deceleration differences drive the marginal gains from differential distances run, it is likely that getting Bolt on to a long leg is an advantage, since others (e.g., Powell) decelerate more). However, you need a significantly more complete discription/argument than the summary of the net result that you presented.
26mi235 wrote:Avante, the times for the splits do not relate directly to the length run on the leg and the question is not quite the one that you focus on. It is really the differential in time when you switch order. Since the acceleration/deceleration differences drive the marginal gains from differential distances run, it is likely that getting Bolt on to a long leg is an advantage, since others (e.g., Powell) decelerate more). However, you need a significantly more complete discription/argument than the summary of the net result that you presented.
We do have splits and all that is taken into consideration but they still are what they are. As we have seen over the years a lot of teams do go with their best sprinter on that second leg.....why?
Avante wrote:First of all Preston...it's not working. This...I'm here to teach...hahaha!!!!! To think any coach of any 4x1 team doesn't want to maximize the abilities of his best sprinters is ridiculous. Which tells me you're clueless about what a 4x1 relay is all about. I assumed it was obvious....guess not....that those examples were to illustrate just what can be done on that second as opposed to the others. Not surprised you struggled with the obvious.
Sorry Preston but you do not want to run equal legs knowing you have difference speed per leg. It's called...common sense.
I'm not here to teach you anything - I personally don't think you learn that well - so that's one more thing that you're wrong about. What you're talking about is pure lunacy; no international coach who doesn't want to be laughed out of a symposium would ever consider it. You're conflating "maximize the abilities of his best sprinters..." with pounding square pegs into round holes. It doesn't work! Again, you can call me clueless all you want, but what you're suggesting, to be frank, is stupid! Monumentally so.
"I assumed it was obvious....guess not....that those examples were to illustrate just what can be done..." This is ridiculous, it's like saying that if a steeplechaser just ran around the barriers because they don't extend all the way across the track that they could run a faster time. Unfortunately, your proposition is 10x sillier.
Avante wrote:First of all Preston...it's not working. This...I'm here to teach...hahaha!!!!! To think any coach of any 4x1 team doesn't want to maximize the abilities of his best sprinters is ridiculous. Which tells me you're clueless about what a 4x1 relay is all about. I assumed it was obvious....guess not....that those examples were to illustrate just what can be done on that second as opposed to the others. Not surprised you struggled with the obvious.
Sorry Preston but you do not want to run equal legs knowing you have difference speed per leg. It's called...common sense.
I'm not here to teach you anything - I personally don't think you learn that well - so that's one more thing that you're wrong about. What you're talking about is pure lunacy; no international coach who doesn't want to be laughed out of a symposium would ever consider it. You're conflating "maximize the abilities of his best sprinters..." with pounding square pegs into round holes. It doesn't work! Again, you can call me clueless all you want, but what you're suggesting, to be frank, is stupid! Monumentally so.
"I assumed it was obvious....guess not....that those examples were to illustrate just what can be done..." This is ridiculous, it's like saying that if a steeplechaser just ran around the barriers because they don't extend all the way across the track that they could run a faster time. Unfortunately, your proposition is 10x sillier.
What's sad is you believe that How complex is this.....move back, then run further into the next zone...wow that's tricky. You do (not you don't) know that technique has been used at all levels of 4x1 sprinting....right? Are you trying to tell me you don't see why you'd want to master that technique? You actually want that 10.29 guy running the same distance as that 9.85 guy........you don't really mean that do you?
I'll slow it down...
As we saw from those examples (zooooomed over your head) the second leg can be the fastest or close to it on a 4x1, so what do we want to do there? Preston you're just funning,..huh?
preston wrote:....There is absolutely no reason whatsover that an international relay would be set up this way. It's silly on so many levels that the fact that you don't understand it only makes it harder to explain to you.
Actually, there is precedent for this: the Germans hewed to this theory when they used WR holder Armin Hary as the second leg in winning gold at Rome in '60.
Avante wrote:What's sad is you believe that How complex is this.....move back, then run further into the next zone...wow that's tricky. You do (not you don't) know that technique has been used at all levels of 4x1 sprinting....right? Are you trying to tell me you don't see why you'd want to master that technique? You actually want that 10.29 guy running the same distance as that 9.85 guy........you don't really mean that do you?
I'll slow it down...
As we saw from those examples (zooooomed over your head) the second leg can be the fastest or close to it on a 4x1, so what do we want to do there? Preston you're just funning,..huh?
First we are not talking about "all levels of sprinting", we're talking about the Jamaican National team or any national team...an international team. And, no competent coach is going to attempt anything so friggin dumb (This is what an armchair stat-geek does because he doesn't understand real-world track and field. That would be you). No one would want to TRY that technique, much less master it because it's idiocy. Why you don't get that shows that you don't know what you're talking about. Now, probably because you realize that what you have written is utter nonsense you want to change it to some 10.29 guy... Jamaica won't have any 10.29 guys on their relay; a 10.29 guy might be lucky to win the deuce at their womens championships!
What you fail to realize that is that your "examples" aren't examples! They don't further your argument; why you don't see that is a mystery to everyone laughing at your ridiculous proposal.
For shits and giggles...where would runner #2, Usain, receive the baton and where would he pass it (i.e. take it at 105 m and pass at 209m)?
preston wrote:....There is absolutely no reason whatsover that an international relay would be set up this way. It's silly on so many levels that the fact that you don't understand it only makes it harder to explain to you.
Actually, there is precedent for this: the Germans hewed to this theory when they used WR holder Armin Hary as the second leg in winning gold at Rome in '60.
gh, I'm talking today and he started with Jamaica.
Avante wrote:What's sad is you believe that How complex is this.....move back, then run further into the next zone...wow that's tricky. You do (not you don't) know that technique has been used at all levels of 4x1 sprinting....right? Are you trying to tell me you don't see why you'd want to master that technique? You actually want that 10.29 guy running the same distance as that 9.85 guy........you don't really mean that do you?
I'll slow it down...
As we saw from those examples (zooooomed over your head) the second leg can be the fastest or close to it on a 4x1, so what do we want to do there? Preston you're just funning,..huh?
First we are not talking about "all levels of sprinting", we're talking about the Jamaican National team or any national team...an international team. And, no competent coach is going to attempt anything so friggin dumb (This is what an armchair stat-geek does because he doesn't understand real-world track and field. That would be you). No one would want to TRY that technique, much less master it because it's idiocy. Why you don't get that shows that you don't know what you're talking about. Now, probably because you realize that what you have written is utter nonsense you want to change it to some 10.29 guy... Jamaica won't have any 10.29 guys on their relay; a 10.29 guy might be lucky to win the deuce at their womens championships!
What you fail to realize that is that your "examples" aren't examples! They don't further your argument; why you don't see that is a mystery to everyone laughing at your ridiculous proposal.
For shits and giggles...where would runner #2, Usain, receive the baton and where would he pass it (i.e. take it at 105 m and pass at 209m)?
Do you honestly believe that France just sticks CL on that second leg You don't think there is some attempt to extend that leg? If not then why is he there? Are you trying to tell me Jamaica/anyone wants everyone running equal distances.......now tell me Preston why would they? Why do you want Nesta Carter running the same distance as Usain Bolt....well? Where's the logic in that? Go ahead Preston explain why ...high school...coachs can pull that off but world class coachs can't/won't......I gotta see this silliness. Do you see that as being some really complex ...thang?
Avante wrote:Do you honestly believe that France just sticks CL on that second leg You don't think there is some attempt to extend that leg? If not then why is he there? Are you trying to tell me Jamaica/anyone wants everyone running equal distances.......now tell me Preston why would they? Why do you want Nesta Carter running the same distance as Usain Bolt....well? Where's the logic in that? Go ahead Preston explain why ...high school...coachs can pull that off but world class coachs can't/won't......I gotta see this silliness. Do you see that as being some really complex ...thang?
Carl Lewis runs second leg for France?
This may come as a surprise to you, but the guy who runs 2nd for France used to run anchor. In fact he has more anchor carries than 2nd leg carries, but what are facts when exchanging posts with you?
I will answer any/all of your questions (high school v world class; running the same distance, Lemaitre on 2nd leg) once you answer my previous question to you
preston wrote:For shits and giggles...where would runner #2, Usain, receive the baton and where would he pass it (i.e. take it at 105 m and pass at 209m)?
Avante wrote:Do you honestly believe that France just sticks CL on that second leg You don't think there is some attempt to extend that leg? If not then why is he there? Are you trying to tell me Jamaica/anyone wants everyone running equal distances.......now tell me Preston why would they? Why do you want Nesta Carter running the same distance as Usain Bolt....well? Where's the logic in that? Go ahead Preston explain why ...high school...coachs can pull that off but world class coachs can't/won't......I gotta see this silliness. Do you see that as being some really complex ...thang?
Carl Lewis runs second leg for France?
This may come as a surprise to you, but the guy who runs 2nd for France used to run anchor. In fact he has more anchor carries than 2nd leg carries, but what are facts when exchanging posts with you?
I will answer any/all of your questions (high school v world class; running the same distance, Lemaitre on 2nd leg) once you answer my previous question to you
preston wrote:For shits and giggles...where would runner #2, Usain, receive the baton and where would he pass it (i.e. take it at 105 m and pass at 209m)?
Preston...psst....ah....Carl Lewis retired long ago...honest.
The real facts are they figured out what I'm talking about, that's why he's now on that second leg.
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#1 Exchange – 1st leg runs short (95m). We stand just inside the acceleration zone and make 21-25 little steps (spikes on) back to the “go” mark.
Remember: We must exchange inside the zone. Be careful not to make it early. Passer does not have to be in the exchange zone, but the receiver must take the baton from the passer when the baton is inside the zone.
#2 Exchange – The second leg runs long 105 – 110 meters. The third leg set up will vary, but as a rule, we want the pass made just after or right on the middle of the exchange zone.
Remember: Be careful not to go too soon as we have no room for errors. Nervous third leg runners can do the team quickly. Practice this exchange as much as possible and adjust your go and stand marks to achieve the pass at the correct spot.
#3 Exchange – The third leg runs a little short, 95-98 meters. The anchor leg will need to get the baton before the others and run a little longer, 103-105 meters for the fourth leg.
adding..
2nd and 3rd are the Longest Legs
Despite everyone saying the 2nd leg is the longest leg, it’s actually the 2nd AND 3rd legs are the longest legs. They also have to deal with 2 baton exchanges whereas the 1st leg and Anchor only have to deal with one exchange. Usually the 3rd leg is a 200m specialist who can run a good turn and can run up to 140 meters when you include the exchange zones
I could go on and on and on....tons of coachs talking about.....maximizing the speed of your fastest sprinters.
Preston, I need you to sell me on......why would anyone want to equal out the legs on a 4x1 when we have speed differences among the athletes involved. The logic in that is what? Go ahead.
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This is why I know that you don't know anything real world about this. You just googled and copy and pasted with zero ability to grasp context. 1. cite where you got your info...that has long been discredited.
2. you still haven't answered my question. WHERE WOULD USAIN RECEIVE AND PASS THE BATON?
preston wrote:This is why I know that you don't know anything real world about this. You just googled and copy and pasted with zero ability to grasp context. 1. cite where you got your info...that has long been discredited.
2. you still haven't answered my question. WHERE WOULD USAIN RECEIVE AND PASS THE BATON?
There ya go again totally ignoring the facts? You think I can't bring up a ton of similiar info? Who discredited and when? I noticed you ignored my question.
Preston where is the logic in running equal distances in a 4x1 when you don't have equal speed? As we know there are ways to maximize/minimize distance ran. So you just ignore that? Well.....whatcha got?
Bolt getsthe stick...as soon as possible...hands of...as late as possible.......common sense!
preston wrote:This is why I know that you don't know anything real world about this. You just googled and copy and pasted with zero ability to grasp context. 1. cite where you got your info...that has long been discredited.
2. you still haven't answered my question. WHERE WOULD USAIN RECEIVE AND PASS THE BATON?
There ya go again totally ignoring the facts? You think I can't bring up a ton of similiar info? Who discredited and when? I noticed you ignored my question.
Preston where is the logic in running equal distances in a 4x1 when you don't have equal speed? As we know there are ways to maximize/minimize distance ran. So you just ignore that? Well.....whatcha got?
Bolt getsthe stick...as soon as possible...hands of...as late as possible.......common sense!
I didn't ignore your question, I acknowledged it wrote that I would answer it AFTER you answer mine. Why are you getting so sore? You're probably starting to realize that you put your foot in it and if you actually attempt to answer the question that you're going to look even more like a fool (not possible, but...you're special). You're wrong and it proves that stat knowledge and track knowledge are 2 different things. You're like Costas saying that Michael Johnson is faster than Donovan Bailey because his 19.32/2 is "faster" then 9.84.
you still haven't answered my question. WHERE WOULD USAIN RECEIVE AND PASS THE BATON?
preston wrote:....There is absolutely no reason whatsover that an international relay would be set up this way. It's silly on so many levels that the fact that you don't understand it only makes it harder to explain to you.
Actually, there is precedent for this: the Germans hewed to this theory when they used WR holder Armin Hary as the second leg in winning gold at Rome in '60.
Frank Dick fell out with Christie over this - asking him to take the 'long' 2nd leg.
I see Avante's logic but the proposal falls down when you ask which legs do Powell and Blake take? Neither can run a bend particularly well (despite Blake's amazing time in Brussels it wasn't a great curve) and if Bolt's on second then one of them has to take 1st or 3rd. Why wouldn't you ask the 200m WR holder, with 10+ years of curve running experience to take 3rd?
With the pressure off Powell, I'm not sure that he doesn't run 2nd or 4th as fast as Bolt anyway.
preston wrote:....There is absolutely no reason whatsover that an international relay would be set up this way. It's silly on so many levels that the fact that you don't understand it only makes it harder to explain to you.
Actually, there is precedent for this: the Germans hewed to this theory when they used WR holder Armin Hary as the second leg in winning gold at Rome in '60.
Frank Dick fell out with Christie over this - asking him to take the 'long' 2nd leg.
I see Avante's logic but the proposal falls down when you ask which legs do Powell and Blake take? Neither can run a bend particularly well (despite Blake's amazing time in Brussels it wasn't a great curve) and if Bolt's on second then one of them has to take 1st or 3rd. Why wouldn't you ask the 200m WR holder, with 10+ years of curve running experience to take 3rd?
With the pressure off Powell, I'm not sure that he doesn't run 2nd or 4th as fast as Bolt anyway.
John G, I really want to answer your question, but Mr. Jurassic Stats is way out of his element so he refuses to answer my question so that I don't ram his high school knowledge nonsense down his throat. 2nd leg as long is a misnomer...that's all I will say for now. But, you don't maximize "distance" you maximize skills...his "logic" never had a chance standing up
preston wrote:....There is absolutely no reason whatsover that an international relay would be set up this way. It's silly on so many levels that the fact that you don't understand it only makes it harder to explain to you.
Actually, there is precedent for this: the Germans hewed to this theory when they used WR holder Armin Hary as the second leg in winning gold at Rome in '60.
Frank Dick fell out with Christie over this - asking him to take the 'long' 2nd leg.
I see Avante's logic but the proposal falls down when you ask which legs do Powell and Blake take? Neither can run a bend particularly well (despite Blake's amazing time in Brussels it wasn't a great curve) and if Bolt's on second then one of them has to take 1st or 3rd. Why wouldn't you ask the 200m WR holder, with 10+ years of curve running experience to take 3rd?
With the pressure off Powell, I'm not sure that he doesn't run 2nd or 4th as fast as Bolt anyway.
John G, I really want to answer your question, but Mr. Jurassic Stats is way out of his element so he refuses to answer my question so that I don't ram his high school knowledge nonsense down his throat. 2nd leg as long is a misnomer...that's all I will say for now. But, you don't maximize "distance" you maximize skills...his "logic" never had a chance standing up
Couldn't be more wrong if you tried and now I'm really starting wonder if you aren't a waste of time. Dude, hell yes there are different distances on 4x1 legs.......you really don't know that? Do you really believe the goal to run 4 equal distances.....knowing you don't have 4 equal sprinters. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Avante wrote:Couldn't be more if you tried and now I'm really starting wonder if you aren't a waste of time. Dude, hell yes there are different distances on 4x1 legs.......you really don't know that? Do you really believe the goal to run 4 equal distances.....knowing you don't have 4 equal sprinters. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are really intimidated by me. You can beat your chest all you want but you're wrong and you're only digging yourself a hole that you can't get out of. That's why you won't answer my question, you know that you're trapped. Again, where would runner #2, Usain, receive the baton and where would he pass it (i.e. take it at 105 m and pass at 209m)?
Avante wrote:Couldn't be more if you tried and now I'm really starting wonder if you aren't a waste of time. Dude, hell yes there are different distances on 4x1 legs.......you really don't know that? Do you really believe the goal to run 4 equal distances.....knowing you don't have 4 equal sprinters. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are really intimidated by me. You can beat your chest all you want but you're wrong and you're only digging yourself a hole that you can't get out of. That's why you won't answer my question, you know that you're trapped. Again, where would runner #2, Usain, receive the baton and where would he pass it (i.e. take it at 105 m and pass at 209m)?
To be honest I think you're funny, sad but funny. Not one time have you answered.....so there's logic in running equal distances using 4 guys with different speed levels.....when thee are ways to max/min the distances. Tell me Preston where is the logic?
Last time....get stick early..hand off late. This doesn't need to be done with pinpoint precision......obviously.
Avante wrote:To be honest I think you're funny, sad but funny. Not one time have you answered.....so there's logic in running equal distances using 4 guys with different speed levels.....when thee are ways to max/min the distances. Tell me Preston where is the logic?
Last time....get stick early..hand off late. This doesn't need to be done with pinpoint precision......obviously.
You don't write like you think I'm funny, you seem to be really bothered that your I know more than everybody about sprint stats mentality doesn't apply to actual sprinting. It doesn't and you're wrong. Feel free to answer my question: where would runner #2, Usain, receive the baton and where would he pass it (i.e. take it at 105 m and pass at 209m)?
Avante wrote:To be honest I think you're funny, sad but funny. Not one time have you answered.....so there's logic in running equal distances using 4 guys with different speed levels.....when thee are ways to max/min the distances. Tell me Preston where is the logic?
Last time....get stick early..hand off late. This doesn't need to be done with pinpoint precision......obviously.
You don't write like you think I'm funny, you seem to be really bothered that your I know more than everybody about sprint stats mentality doesn't apply to actual sprinting. It doesn't and you're wrong. Feel free to answer my question: where would runner #2, Usain, receive the baton and where would he pass it (i.e. take it at 105 m and pass at 209m)?
This from a coaching friend of mine...(moments ago)... adjusting where the stick is passed and received, happens, especially involving the 1st exchange between 1 & 2 and also 2 to 3. You can shorten or lengthen carries.
Then there are those other coachs I know who turned me on to that idea in the first place.
Ok Preston one last time......
Where is the logic in running 4 equal legs when you can max/min distances which allows for you faster sprinters to run a higher % of the race.............ANSWER THE QUESTION!
If you don't ...finally...answer that question I can't see you.
Avante wrote:This from a coaching friend of mine...(moments ago)... adjusting where the stick is passed and received, happens, especially involving the 1st exchange between 1 & 2 and also 2 to 3. You can shorten or lengthen carries.
Then there are those other coachs I know who turned me on to that idea in the first place.
Ok Preston one last time......
Where is the loGic in running 4 equal legs when you can max/min distances which allows for you faster sprinterS to run a higher % of the race.............ANSWER THE QUESTION!
I promise you that coach is a high school/rec coach who has NEVER coached a national team and NEVER will. Remember, we are talking about Jamaica - not exactly "Swift City TC". It is fitting that you would find someone with your obvious lack of knowledge to quote, but when you get a chance...where would runner #2, Usain, receive the baton and where would he pass it (i.e. take it at 105 m and pass at 209m)?
He knows he can't give...one...reason why anyone would wanna run equal legs in a 4x1 relay. It makes zero sense. The smart thing to do is max/min the legs putting the bigger work load on your better sprinters....simply common sense....and it's done all the time at all levels. It is nothing more than....
coach...ok Scooter when he gets about there.....take off (early in the zone)
Scooter..cool.
Coach...ok Blaze when Scooter gets al the way to there.....take off.
He knows he can't give...one...reason why anyone would wanna run equal legs in a 4x1 relay. It makes zero sense. The smart thing to do is max/min the legs putting the bigger work load on your better sprinters....simply common sense....and it's done all the time at all levels. It is nothing more than....
To the contrary, I've answered your question, you just won't answer mine so as always, you try to twist reality to fit your emotional responses. Btw, where would runner #2, Usain, receive the baton and where would he pass it (i.e. take it at 105 m and pass at 209m)?
He knows he can't give...one...reason why anyone would wanna run equal legs in a 4x1 relay. It makes zero sense. The smart thing to do is max/min the legs putting the bigger work load on your better sprinters....simply common sense....and it's done all the time at all levels. It is nothing more than....
To the contrary, I've answered your question, you just won't answer mine so as always, you try to twist reality to fit your emotional responses. Btw, where would runner #2, Usain, receive the baton and where would he pass it (i.e. take it at 105 m and pass at 209m)?
For you to even...well 105-209?...tells me you are clueless. You know why it could be a bad idea....well? It's that sort of thought possess. This isn't about....105? then..209? If you attempt to pull that off....trouble. It's not that precise and doesn't need to be.
So you think it makes all the sense in the world to run that 9.90, 9.85, 9.58, 9.72 on equal legs......gotcha
Avante wrote:For you to even...well 105-209?...tells me you are clueless. You know why it could be a bad idea....well? It's that sort of thought possess. This isn't about....105? then..209? If you attempt to pull that off....trouble. It's not that precise and doesn't need to be.
So you think it makes all the sense in the world to run that 9.90, 9.85, 9.58, 9.72 on equal legs......gotcha
Your entire argument just fell down. Relay passing is by definition precise; the goal is try an pass by a certain point on the track. Most teams goal is to pass by the mid-point and about 30% fail. You want to change that up based off some nonsense you kinda thought up and that's the new relay paradigm? If you want Usain to run a "longer leg" then you have to know HOW long that leg will be; which will in turn lengthen/shorten the other athletes segments as well.
This is very similar to that pacing nonsense for 400m sprinters cooked up by Eldrick...but at least he would "produce" numbers to back up his theories, all you have is insults because you have no answers for my question: where would runner #2, Usain, receive the baton and where would he pass it (i.e. take it at 105 m and pass at 209m)? But, to make it worse, now relays don't have to be precise? You should be embarrassed.
Avante wrote:For you to even...well 105-209?...tells me you are clueless. You know why it could be a bad idea....well? It's that sort of thought possess. This isn't about....105? then..209? If you attempt to pull that off....trouble. It's not that precise and doesn't need to be.
So you think it makes all the sense in the world to run that 9.90, 9.85, 9.58, 9.72 on equal legs......gotcha
Your entire argument just fell down. Relay passing is by definition precise; the goal is try an pass by a certain point on the track. Most teams goal is to pass by the mid-point and about 30% fail. You want to change that up based off some nonsense you kinda thought up and that's the new relay paradigm? If you want Usain to run a "longer leg" then you have to know HOW long that leg will be; which will in turn lengthen/shorten the other athletes segments as well.
This is very similar to that pacing nonsense for 400m sprinters cooked up by Eldrick...but at least he would "produce" numbers to back up his theories, all you have is insults because you have no answers for my question: where would runner #2, Usain, receive the baton and where would he pass it (i.e. take it at 105 m and pass at 209m)? But, to make it worse, now relays don't have to be precise? You should be embarrassed.
Incredible!
I was taking about a precise yard mark, ya know...105? I ran the 4x1 for years and never once had a particular/precise starting point. Very close sure, precise...nope! So there is no...number. Like I mentioned trying to be precise is when you will have problems. You'd not much on common sense are you?
I was taking about a precise yard mark, ya know...105? I ran the 4x1 for years and never once had a particular/precise starting point. Very close sure, precise...nope! So there is no...number. Like I mentioned trying to be precise is when you will have problems. You'd not much on common sense are you?
Wrong again, I said an EXAMPLE. You are the one saying that Bolt should run longer, it is incumbant upon you, if you intend to further your argument instead of just beat your chest like a non-thinking brute, to let us know how much longer? 5m, 10m, 12m? How long would he run? Teams that pass in the middle of the zone run roughly 100m a piece; how far would BOlt run in your scenario. If you can' prove your point, just admit it, but you have to say how long for it to be longer. You need to sketch out the rough distance that each athlete should run for your argument to even begin to be realistic.
I was taking about a precise yard mark, ya know...105? I ran the 4x1 for years and never once had a particular/precise starting point. Very close sure, precise...nope! So there is no...number. Like I mentioned trying to be precise is when you will have problems. You'd not much on common sense are you?
Wrong again, I said an EXAMPLE. You are the one saying that Bolt should run longer, it is incumbant upon you, if you intend to further your argument instead of just beat your chest like a non-thinking brute, to let us know how much longer? 5m, 10m, 12m? How long would he run? Teams that pass in the middle of the zone run roughly 100m a piece; how far would BOlt run in your scenario. If you can' prove your point, just admit it, but you have to say how long for it to be longer. You need to sketch out the rough distance that each athlete should run for your argument to even begin to be realistic.
Why didn't you say so?
I want ...
first...90 second..110 third..90 anchor...110
Obviously it's not going to go down exactly like that but get it as close as possible. I want my two fastest on the straights...unless we have a special case like Tyson Gay...talking Jama....Bolt and Powell(even if Blake has surplanted Powell)...Powell is not a turn runner.
Obviously it's not going to go down exactly like that but get it as close as possible. I want my two fastest on the straights...unless we have a special case like Tyson Gay...talking Jama....Bolt and Powell(even if Blake has surplanted Powell)...Powell is not a turn runner.
As close as possible? Please be more specific than "close as possible". I get the feeling that you're gonna run from it as soon as I begin to smash it to bits!
-a 90m first leg means that your 2nd leg only gets a 10m run-in, which is not enough room to get anywhere near full speed. The stick will undoubtedly slow. And you're beating your chest about how much you know about this. -a 110m second leg pust you back to passing in the middle of the zone but when the 3rd leg passes the stick will stop again because the anchor didn't have time to accelerate. Again!
No relay coach worth his salt would advocate for passing BEFORE the mid-point of the zone (though they MIGHT think of passing beyond) just to make a leg longer; it's pure, concentrated stupidity but you've been banging your know-it-all drum. And, don't try to back out of it now, you blew it, 90m?
How complex is this.....move back, then run further into the next zone...wow that's tricky. You do (not you don't) know that technique has been used at all levels of 4x1 sprinting....right? Are you trying to tell me you don't see why you'd want to master that technique? You actually want that 10.29 guy running the same distance as that 9.85 guy........you don't really mean that do you?
For anyone to think....we must run all 4x1 legs equal distance.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! Why?????????????????