mump boy wrote:the whole point of this thread is to try and create some discussion over the slow winter months, in order to do that we are going to have to discuss each others choices, there may even be some disagreement and debate :shock:
Clearly mump boy is determined to extend this thread for the whole of winter, given that it is now more than 7 weeks since voting closed and 6 weeks since the first results were posted.
It appears the longer the posting of the results takes, then it seems more and more of the voters, because they have nothing better to do as we wait for the long winter solstice to draw to a close, are falling to the temptation to start debates about various athletes as to whether they were drug adled or cheated because their respective supported know for sure that they are drug free - resulting in gh threatening to shut down the thread.
Hopefully mump boy will see that the spring thaw is here and get the results out. In the meantime because I have nothing better to do I have decided to analyse my votinbg list.
Total – Male – Female - Discipline - - - - - - - Athletes already gone
Watching Kathy run a 200 was a spectacular sight, as against domestic opposition she tended to leave her effort until the straight and then seemed to finish with a middle distance runner's finishing kick to come home well clear. In the majors however she upped her game to run a strong bend to put herself in a good position after the first 100. Her record between 1981-84 of winning a medal at every championship was very consistent and impressive. It was a pity she was past her best at 25, meaning she couldn't capitalise on the drop in 400 standards between 86 and 88, but she had been an international from the age of 17 and already had many years in the sport.
Speaking as a Brit and Kathy Cook fan, I can empathise with non-Brits at the sentiments being expressed in this thread. I think this was a case of looking at what was happening in Eastern Europe and North America and applying the same approach, with much success.
Pego wrote:I am so tired of watching every debate of relative quality of athletes from different eras quickly deteriorate into a back-and-forth accusations of cheating of whatever sort.
Absolutely. I really have to wonder if these people love the sport or just "their" athletes. It's really quite frustrating. And though I don't agree with athleticsimaging's post, I do agree with the followin part of that post:
Athleticsimaging wrote:...This absolutely fucking retarded argument that they didn't care about being good, therefore wouldn't have used is the most astoundingly childish thing I've read on this board - and I've read a lot of Jam fanboi posts......
Igo Ter-Ovaneysan was #3 on my list giving him 18 points.
Along with Ralph Boston, they were the first 2 long jumpers I ever identified with. I seem to recall the media used to refer to the long jump in the early 1960s as the Ralph and Igor show. Of course then in 1964 along came Lynn Davies to ruin the show - so to speak.
In 1974/75 when he was the Russian National Coach it was reported that T-O had some long jumpers being "secretly" prepared for 1976 Montreal to do the somersault long jump. Unfortunately for Igor and his somersaulters the idiots that ran the IAAF in those days banned the somersault in 1975; consigning me to an enjoyable 3 years with the ITA. And also unfortunately, as the reputed leading exponent of the somersault long jump, I wasn't good enough in terms of knowing how to somersault or athletically talented enough to oversome my lousy gymnastics ability as a somersaulter to break the world record which would have then made it pretty much imposible for the IAAF to ban the style.
I had no awareness in terms of time and space as to where I was during the somersault - which is why my feet would hit the sand first, with my butt hitting the sand a split second later - but unfortunately about 2 feet behind my feet. I am confident that the world record would be well past 30 feet and probably close to 31 feet if the somersault had remained legal.
This might be folklore but I also understand that the IAAF had planned to outlaw the "Fosbury Flop" after the 1968 Olympic Games but unfortunately Fosbury had made that impossible once he won the Gold in an Olympic record.
oldvaulter wrote:Hey mump, maybe you should check #20 on my list (my 1-point selection). HIs name hasn't come up yet. An American pole vaulter who, despite his greatness, is unlikely to be listed above athletes whose names are now appearing. If he's still to come, cool, but it seems unlikely. Maybe he just got omitted?
Aside from the odd omission mentioned above, the rest on my list are big-timers and I expect that one of them might be the winner. Mump, how about wrapping this up in the next couple days? It's been dragging on so long that I think the energy is waning. And the 2012 season is really beginning to get rolling so we have other things to talk about.
Yes, let's get to the winner!
I also gave O'Brien many points (16?)
I also have a great American PVer from the 50's for a couple of points. Not up yet I think.
Thought I would say something about Igor Ter-Ovanesian since I missed him earlier. I picked him 7th. Back in 1961, when he and Valery Brumel came to NYC to compete on the Madison Square Garden circuit, I was there for the AAU. To me, seeing two guys from the mystic "USSR" was like seeing aliens from another planet.... but then I saw they were REAL ! And what a cool name Igor had.
Frosting on the cake was in 1982 or so when USSR had a dual meet with USA here in Indy, and I got to meet Igor, chat briefly, and get his autograph. After his name he wrote "8.31." Friendly guy.
mump boy wrote:70 (4 votes 33 points) Jan Zelezney
67th (4 votes 39 points) Marie Jose Perec
I had both these. Zelezney (17th) for his longevity and ability to always peak at the right time. Perec (15th) for her complete dominance and graceful running. For some reason they have burned themselves into my memory.