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gm wrote:You would probably hate the stuff I enjoy!
Unless you only like about 3 things, that's virtually impossible.
But, here are 4 things I think are grossly over-rated (in memory of Christopher HItchens)
any and all alcoholic products any and all tobacco pruducts any and all 'recreational' drugs any and all 'authentic' foreign cuisine
Marlow, your dislike list is identical to mine. I can overlook your movie review batting average so, if we could just correct your political thinking, you would be a (near) perfect homo sapiens
Marlow, lonewolf, just so you know, there is hardly anything to beat a roasted goose dinner with a glass or two of Zinfandel and a cigarette (I abandoned the latter 25 years ago, though ). That's what we'll have for Christmas Eve with a few other options for some family members of your kind.
Pego wrote:Marlow, lonewolf, just so you know, there is hardly anything to beat a roasted goose dinner with a glass or two of Zinfandel and a cigarette (I abandoned the latter 25 years ago, though ). That's what we'll have for Christmas Eve with a few other options for some family members of your kind.
And nothing beats a English ale and a great cigar!
Marlow wrote:Don't look now, but Timmy (can't make it in the NFL) Tebow just won his fifth game in a row, 5th road win, and is 6-1, after taking over from Kyle (1-4) Orton. He's taken Denver from LAST in the AFC West to FIRST. He made all the throws today including one that the receiver shoulda had, throwing 40y into the teeth of an all-out blitz.
For those who think he can't make it, he is everything Ben Ruthlessburger is and more.
Well that ol' Tebow magic was on display again yesterday -- i.e. being disproportionately rewarded for a less than half-assed job -- as Denver received a home playoff date at the end of a 3-game skid, based on the third tie-breaker in the division -- record against common opponents.
Denver's record against playoff-bound competition this year: 1-3. The lone win coming at home against Cincinnati in week two. When, strangely enough, Tebow didn't start. Interestingly, on the team's website, where they list the game results (http://www.denverbroncos.com/schedule-a ... edule.html) they've for some reason removed Orton's name from the "Team Leaders" statistics associated with the first five games. What class.
Well, we'll see next weekend if Timmy's really got anything on "Ruthlessburger" or not.
Tebow has a simple formula: He is absolutely awful about 7/8ths of the times he touches the ball. When his good 1/8th of the plays all fall in the last minutes of the fourth quarter of a close game he is nails. When those few plays get spread across the entire game, then the results are disastrous.
The league has already figured it out (not that it was hard to do) go man coverage on the wide outs then play the run. Tebow isn't the passer to make you pay. He can't zip it in there.
It was cute/fun while it lasted. Something a little different but it's over now. You cannot win in the NFL with a .."college"...QB.
jhc68 wrote:Tebow has a simple formula: He is absolutely awful about 7/8ths of the times he touches the ball. When his good 1/8th of the plays all fall in the last minutes of the fourth quarter of a close game he is nails. When those few plays get spread across the entire game, then the results are disastrous.
Even those days are probably over, which is probably a relief to Elway.
jhc68 wrote:Tebow has a simple formula: He is absolutely awful about 7/8ths of the times he touches the ball. When his good 1/8th of the plays all fall in the last minutes of the fourth quarter of a close game he is nails. When those few plays get spread across the entire game, then the results are disastrous.
Even those days are probably over, which is probably a relief to Elway.
Tebow's NFL prospects are still moot, but there's no denying he is a 'leader' and galvanizes teams around him. He made the Gators winners and he still had some of the magic this year, even with the dreadful numbers he put up.
Following up a bit on BruceFlorman's post, re: comparing Tebow and Orton.
But first, a disclaimer, in the "with malice toward none and charity for all" vein: I would like to see Tebow do well in the NFL, and I would also like to see Orton do well. I'm neither on nor off the TT bandwagon -- it's an interesting story (to me, at least).
In TT's 11 starts, Denver is 7-4, so that's good. However, 3-2 in five games against teams that finished the season w losing records (KCx2, Miami, MN, Buffalo); 0-2 against playoff teams (Detroit, NE); 4-0 against teams that finished 8-8. And then there's the 0-3 to end the regular season. TT finished the season #28 in QB ratings (72.9).
Orton finished the season ranked slightly higher: #24 @ 77.8. In his 8 starts, he was only 3-5. However, Orton's record includes zero starts against teams that finished the season with losing records. Moreover, in Orton's starts, his teams were 3-0 against playoff teams (Cincinnati, GB, Denver).
Given the way Orton was bounced around this year, and given the schedule he started against, and the teams he was playing for, he actually did reasonably well. I would like to see him get another real chance to succeed.
Master Po wrote:Following up a bit on BruceFlorman's post, re: comparing Tebow and Orton.
But first, a disclaimer, in the "with malice toward none and charity for all" vein: I would like to see Tebow do well in the NFL, and I would also like to see Orton do well. I'm neither on nor off the TT bandwagon -- it's an interesting story (to me, at least).
In TT's 11 starts, Denver is 7-4, so that's good. However, 3-2 in five games against teams that finished the season w losing records (KCx2, Miami, MN, Buffalo); 0-2 against playoff teams (Detroit, NE); 4-0 against teams that finished 8-8. And then there's the 0-3 to end the regular season. TT finished the season #28 in QB ratings (72.9).
Orton finished the season ranked slightly higher: #24 @ 77.8. In his 8 starts, he was only 3-5. However, Orton's record includes zero starts against teams that finished the season with losing records. Moreover, in Orton's starts, his teams were 3-0 against playoff teams (Cincinnati, GB, Denver).
Given the way Orton was bounced around this year, and given the schedule he started against, and the teams he was playing for, he actually did reasonably well. I would like to see him get another real chance to succeed.
I think Orton is a MUCH better quarterback than Tebow. I think he got a raw deal in Denver, though there may be more behind the scenes than the public knows (players don't like him?). When the season started, the Denver defense was atrocious. After Tebow became the started, the defense started playing much better, perhaps in part because they knew they stood absolutely NO chance of winning unless they all played their very best. They became a pretty good defensive team over much of the rest of the year. Had they played like that when Orton was playing for them, Tebow likely never plays.
I wish Tebow the best and hope he does well, and the same for Orton, I just don't see it Tebow ever being an adequate NFL quarterback because he simply is not a good enough passer.
Don't look now, but Lil Timmy has outplayed Big Ben for three quarters so far. Obviously the Steelers can still win, but I think Tim has done just fine.
Nice forecast for Sat. evening. Overcast and about 32 falling to 21. No precip. He's talked about constantly on Boston radio. He made a lot of people's day (in NE).
Highest Average Gain, Game (20 attempts) 15.05 Tim Tebow, AFC-FR: Denver vs. Pittsburgh, 2011 (21-316) 14.71 Terry Bradshaw, SB: Pittsburgh vs. Los Angeles, 1979 (21-309) 14.50 Peyton Manning, AFC-FR: Indianapolis vs. Denver, 2003 (26-377) 13.88 Peyton Manning, AFC-FR: Indianapolis vs. Denver, 2004 (33-458)
jhc68 wrote:Tebow has a simple formula: He is absolutely awful about 7/8ths of the times he touches the ball. When his good 1/8th of the plays all fall in the last minutes of the fourth quarter of a close game he is nails. When those few plays get spread across the entire game, then the results are disastrous.
Even those days are probably over, which is probably a relief to Elway.
Tebow's NFL prospects are still moot, but there's no denying he is a 'leader' and galvanizes teams around him. He made the Gators winners and he still had some of the magic this year, even with the dreadful numbers he put up.
Leadership is one of the two most important qualities for a pro quarterback. [Reading defenses is the other.]
Screw Elway, he lost four Superbowls before a good running back got him his first win in the big game. He doesn't know it all.
Tebow has the guys on his team believing in themselves and in their chances to win any game they play. You can't measure the value of that on any scale. Those of us old enough need think no further than Namath BKI (before knee injury).
That said, i am really getting sick of "Tebowmania", although I do understand how exciting it must be for fans in that area to have an unexpected winner and I don't begrudge them. I just wish the announcers would grow up a little bit.
Also, QB's need to have a good arm, of course. But an accurate one rather than simply strong. Arm strength is overrated; in today's NFL--and always, really--it is much more important to be able to throw accurately for 10-20 yards than lob a bomb downfield, no matter how neato-keen the fans think it looks. Think of Joe Montana hitting Jerry Rice across the middle and dissecting the defense like a surgeon's scalpel.
And hey, show me a quarterback who makes it to the NFL who doesn't have a good arm--they all do...at least, good enough. No, it is the intangibles that are of paramount importance for this position...!
This is coming, BTW, from a life-long Vikings fan who has watched them piss away decades with the short-term strategy of grabbing up Jeff George, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, and any other "strong-armed" quarterback they could find to thrill the fans with long passes and put big bucks-paying asses in the Metrodome seats. .
Brian wrote: This is coming, BTW, from a life-long Vikings fan who has watched them piss away decades with the short-term strategy of grabbing up Jeff George, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, and any other "strong-armed" quarterback they could find to thrill the fans with long passes and put big bucks-paying asses in the Metrodome seats. .
Speaking of being pissed off at your team (subtle segue, eh? Four AM will do that to you.):
My late and beloved father, when disgusted by the play of the Twins or Vikings, used to mumble under his breath (so Mom wouldn't hear), "Goddamn [fill in name of temporarily-hated sports team], they play like a sausage."
This has always confused me. How exactly does one "play like a sausage"--?? When young, I didn't dare ask him and promptly forgot once I got older and discovered the attraction high school girls have to any automobile capable of movement.
And now he's gone. Not that he may have known himself where he got it; Dad was always great at remembering how to get somewhere or how to do something, but couldn't for the life of him remember where or when he actually learned those things. The whys and wherefores just weren't as important to his generation as the whats, whos, and hows, maybe.
The best I could come up with is that playing like a sausage means one is not being a thing of quality but rather, a thing of inferior by-products, perhaps even pretending to be USDA choice.
Or maybe something cruder. :]
So I'll throw it out here: Has anyone ever heard this phrase used as a colloquialism, or was Dad, may he rest in peace, truly a quirky original with his usage?
If anyone knows, it would save a lot in future therapy bills. Thank you. .
OK. I'm a believer... the weather in New England won't matter, TT will lead the Broncos to a Super Bowl championship during this last year of the Mayan Calendar.
BruceFlorman wrote:Well that ol' Tebow magic was on display again yesterday -- i.e. being disproportionately rewarded for a less than half-assed job -- as Denver received a home playoff date at the end of a 3-game skid, based on the third tie-breaker in the division -- record against common opponents.
Denver's record against playoff-bound competition this year: 1-3. The lone win coming at home against Cincinnati in week two. When, strangely enough, Tebow didn't start. Interestingly, on the team's website, where they list the game results (http://www.denverbroncos.com/schedule-a ... edule.html) they've for some reason removed Orton's name from the "Team Leaders" statistics associated with the first five games. What class.
Well, we'll see next weekend if Timmy's really got anything on "Ruthlessburger" or not.
I guess ol' Tebow's magic was on rightly on display against Pittsburgh, but it certainly wasn't a "half-assed" job.
I have never heard the expression "playing like a sausage" but there are numerous other cliche terms, many of which I unconsciously use, whose origin/meaning is lost/vague. One that comes to mind is," he runs like a stripey assed ape". On reflection, I don't know if that means he runs fast, awkwardly or in fear.
Brian wrote:And hey, show me a quarterback who makes it to the NFL who doesn't have a good arm--they all do...at least, good enough. No, it is the intangibles that are of paramount importance for this position...!
This is coming, BTW, from a life-long Vikings fan who has watched them piss away decades with the short-term strategy of grabbing up Jeff George, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, and any other "strong-armed" quarterback they could find to thrill the fans with long passes and put big bucks-paying asses in the Metrodome seats. .
Could be worse...you could be a Cleveland Browns fan! (Hey, let's move to Baltimore and win a Super Bowl there!)
The Vikings made it to their first Super Bowl with Joe Kapp...a quarterback with plenty of intangibles and an uncanny inability to throw a spiral. By the way, Kapp is tied with Sid Luckman and couple of other guys with a record 7 TD passes in one game.
Tebow may or may not last long in the league but he's getting it done for the time being...and is better at present than backup QB and former Cleveland first round pick, Brady Quinn. (Other classically trained sausages who were top prospects but couldn't get the gist of playing QB in the NFL: Tim Couch, Dan McGwuire, Mike Phipps, Ryan Leaf, Todd Blackledge, Rick Mirer, David Klingler, Heath Schuler)
cullman wrote:By the way, Kapp is tied with Sid Luckman and couple of other guys with a record 7 TD passes in one game.
Well the Packer's backup (Flynn) just went for 6 TDs -- how many think he is better than the player he backs up? I will help him get a pretty good contract, however.
). That's what we'll have for Christmas Eve with a few other options for some family members of your kind.
