I saw the entire throw from initiation till landing. I had kept an eye on that competition in general and on Włodarczyk in particular (although I was sitting in the finish line sector, which wasn't great for watching the HT). Somehow, though, I missed her post-throw celebration and the injury.
I'm trying to remember why I didn't see it; things were amazingly hectic at that point. As I recall, both mPV and mLJ were at crucial junctures. And, if I'm not mistaken, didn't throw happen during the last lap (or even 200) of the w5000?
I talked to one guy (stop me if I posted this already!) who heard the German announcer yell "Weltrekord! Weltrekord!" and said, "no, dummy, that was 14:57, not 13:57!"
You've all inspired me to actually try and go to a few pro-level track meets. Is there a thread on the best meets to go to as a spectator (my going to a pro-meet will have to coincide with a family/spouse vacation so that must be taken into account)?
optimistic wrote:my going to a pro-meet will have to coincide with a family/spouse vacation
Let's hope you don't like to vacation in Wisconsin.
Best I've been to are championship meets. Grand prix's are OK but do not have the same energy (although I've only been to Edinburgh and Crystal Palace and good meet in NYC). I always wanted to go to Bislet.
Indoor meets are good as you can be a little closer to the action, unless you're in the nose bleed seats at Madison Square Garden.
As far as small meets go, there are a couple that stick out in my memory.
Houston McTear's 9.0 WR in the small schools section of a high school state championship was pretty amazing, given that it was so unexpected. When is the next time we're going to see a WR in a high school meet? Probably never.
And that I just happened to be there is equally amazing, in hindsight.
Then there was the Jav WR by a certain American/South African at the Pepsi Meet at UCLA, before many spectators have even arrived.
If I remember right they had balloons across the field marking the current WR, and his implement just kept sailing on and on, right over those balloons, without even popping any of them.
I saw one of those Eamonn Coghlan WR indoor miles in San Diego, and the crowd was really rocking.
I also officiated at one of the indoor meets at the L.A. Sports Arena, and was filling in as head PV judge for a fellow judge who was sick, when Bubka attempted a new indoor WR. Measuring beforehand for that was quite the challenge.
Unfortunately he didn't make it, but he still squashed the competition, even while putting ice packs on his achilles between every attempt. I might be remembering incorrectly, but I seem to remember that what he *did* clear that night was a U.S. all comers record (something the truly hard core keep track of)..
In some ways these memories are even more outstanding than seeing every heat, flight, and final at the '84 Olympics.
Randy Treadway wrote:Then there was the Jav WR by a certain American/South African at the Pepsi Meet at UCLA, before many spectators have even arrived. If I remember right they had balloons across the field marking the current WR, and his implement just kept sailing on and on, right over those balloons, without even popping any of them.
I do remember nice balloons at that meet, now that you mention it. Purple, IIRC.
gh wrote:You're the first person I've heard so far who claims the Włodarczyk mark. Everybody else (me included) was occupied elsewhere.
I was charting the event, and damn near missed it. I only saw the release, none of the spins. It was my 4th PB in the event, and I missed Heidler's Q mark completely. Did see Anna's. In all, I saw 10 marks better than the Moreno which was my old PB.
The ?? on the women's shot reinforces for me what a joke this event was in the past, with fairytale distances dominating the all-time list. It is hard to find a mark from the 90s, much less after that.
I've just done my annual update. See the first post on this thread. And yes, I was one of the many who sat there in Berlin watching the finish of the women's 5000 and completely missing the WR in the women's HT.
So we're clear, the rules of "seeing it" (at least in my universe) are that while you don't necessarily need to see the initation of the throw/jump, you need to see the takeoff/relase and the landing of the body/implement.
(as a sad PS I'll note that I saw neither, and that was a step down from Moreno's WR at the '05 meet when I only saw the landing)
What about seeing it as I was distracted but still viewing the throw from spin to landing as I was being handed a beer and some food and then not aware of its significance for a minute or so as I was more entranced by the action on the track?
8:24.51 (en route in 2Mile, 8:24.66 in actual 3000)
Discus - Nothing on IAAF all-time performances list down to 67.16!
7032 (didn't see all events)
westcoasttiger wrote:.... What about seeing it as I was distracted but still viewing the throw from spin to landing as I was being handed a beer and some food and then not aware of its significance for a minute or so as I was more entranced by the action on the track?
So can I, but the real question is whether westcoasttiger can. To me, this is a game played primarily for oneself. The object is simply to enhance the enjoyment one can derive from attending track meets. So westcoasttiger can make his own rules--until we make this a competitive sport, he's the only one who has to live with them.
dl wrote:I'll never catch up after missing Beijing and Berlin (although missing the '80's will leave one forever behind in the women's throws...)..... 7032 (didn't see all events)
There have been many discussions as to what constitutes "seeing" a multi. Unless it's a multi-only meet, it's usually virtually impossible to see everything when there's a whole nother meet going on. For that one I've always accepted being in the stadium for each of the 10 events as good enough, so long as you watch the 100 and 1500.
The best definition, though, is, if Frank Zarnowski is in town and you ask him how it went.
gh wrote:There have been many discussions as to what constitutes "seeing" a multi. Unless it's a multi-only meet, it's usually virtually impossible to see everything when there's a whole nother meet going on. For that one I've always accepted being in the stadium for each of the 10 events as good enough, so long as you watch the 100 and 1500.
Wow! You're tougher than I am. I've always counted a multi competition if I saw any of it. I think in most of the better ones I've witnessed, I've seen all or most of the events, but I never really keep track of how many or which ones.
Looking back at my PR's, I'm pretty sure I saw all of my Decathlon and Heptathlon outdoor PR performances, and I'm pretty sure I saw all of my indoor men's Hept PR, but probably not my indoor women's Pent PR.
A family member is infinitely better; missing only '05 for WC's and every olympics since '84... Anyway, my less impressive "personal views" below.
8790 (saw every event)
1:17:21 (not every step, but a significant amount and the finish)
3:36:03 (not every step, but a significant amount and the finish)
1:26:31 (not every step, but a significant amount and the finish)
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I would not think of entering this comparison contest. I have worked a lot of big meets, including some of those listed, but my back is frequently turned to the track and I am concentrating on the LJ/TJ... sometimes I see em on the jumbotron.. does that count?
lonewolf wrote:I would not think of entering this comparison contest. I have worked a lot of big meets, including some of those listed, but my back is frequently turned to the track and I am concentrating on the LJ/TJ... sometimes I see em on the jumbotron.. does that count?
When you're working at a meet and that's the best way to see something, it counts in my book. At least it does as long as it's live on the video board and not a replay.
On further review: I guess my best list is that I have worked competitions with eight of the top ten all time LJers, missing only #8 Saladino and #10 Tsatoumas. On the other hand, I have only worked three of the top ten women, #2 JJK, #9 Jones and # 20 Reese. Men TJ, worked six of top 11. Womens TJ, have to go all the way down to #16 Tricia Smith.
Yeah, I was thinking (although this goes against the spirit of true elitism) the only way us non globe-trotting types could compete was if there was a US or North America only list. Mine might have looked decent around 1 jan 2002.
It's not as clear as all that, Jon. For one thing, this is one of those areas where British and American usage have differed; the standard practice here used to be to include the apostrophe. I don't believe that was ever the case in the UK.
Most style manuals that discuss this question at all say that in the US, the apostrophe was once widely used, but the trend has recently been to omit it. Like most people, I generally write the language as I learned it, although matters of spelling and usage do sometimes change over the years.
In this case, the one style manual that I most respect and refer to when in doubt (Wilson Follett's Modern American Usage) acknowledges the trend mentioned above, but continues to follow the traditional practice of including the apostrophe. That book has not been updated since the 1998 edition. It's possible that if a new edition were published, it would follow the more contemporary practice. But that's speculative.
What's fact is that most of the books on American usage that deal with this issue at all mention the trend, but do not proscribe the traditional usage. Given that the latest edition of Follett still uses the apostrophe, I'm sticking with that. I'll grant that the omission of the apostrophe is not wrong, but the use of the apostrophe isn't wrong either, at least on this side of the pond.
Having looked at this topic for years, this is the first time I've ever posted to it. Due to my lack of attendance in recent years (I could claim only to be the European Inertia champion) my PRs are pretty hopless, except for 2 events which are better than anything anyone has posted - namely 22.63 in the W-SP, and 7.52 in the W-LJ. Other bests are too feeble for me to report.