Not For The Acrophobic


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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:39 pm

DrJay wrote:

From wiki:

"On July 5, 2009, John Bachar died in a free solo accident at Dike Wall near Mammoth Lakes, California. While the exact reasons for his fall may never be known, some have speculated he may possibly have been hit by a loose rock that fell from above. Others believe he may simply have fell due to a lack of feeling and strength in his right arm and hand; a residual injury left over from his car accident"

So I wonder if any of these radio tower guys have died on the job?


Thanks for the info. I remember now that he had an obit in the NYTimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/sports/09bachar.html
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:40 pm

Marlow wrote:
gh wrote:I still wanna know about the pixellated face!

Short answer : didn't sign the video release.
Longer answer : didn't want anyone to know he was that crazy.


It could also be that they weren't following all of the safety rules on their Youtube adventure, and wanted to stay employed.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby gh » Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:15 pm

I thought about the get-fired aspect, but I'm guessing the number of people who this could be can be counted on very few fingers worldwide, and that the owners of this tower would not only recognize their structure instantly, but also be able to figure out who it was in an instant.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Cooter Brown » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:25 am

So, how do they erect these towers? I'd like to see the guy that has to put that 30 foot antenna on top of that last platform you can climb to.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby lonewolf » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:52 am

Cooter Brown wrote:So, how do they erect these towers? I'd like to see the guy that has to put that 30 foot antenna on top of that last platform you can climb to.

I assume they use helicopters but yeah... :?
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:14 am

They recently finished the 1300 ft. Trump Tower here in Chicago.

"It's been nearly four weeks since January 3 when a helicopter lowered the structural undergirding for Trump Tower's spire into place. As you may recall, the gray fiberglass shell of the spire was supposed to be installed by now. And that meant--tah dah!--that we were finally going to see how this skyscraper really meets the sky."

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com ... _chicago_/
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Daisy » Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:05 am

Following that link I notice that the Shanghai World Financial Centre dwarfs the others. I was in Shanghai recently and I would never have guessed it was that massive, probably because there are a number of tall building close to it. On the other hand the Sears tower used to look massive. May be that is less the case with this new addition to the chicago skyline.

As an aside, why do the radio antenna count towards the height of the buildings? It seems like cheating with respect to the record books.

One more thing, when did the Sears tower change it's name to the WIllis tower?
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:08 pm

Daisy wrote:
One more thing, when did the Sears tower change it's name to the WIllis tower?


A couple of years ago. I don't know anyone who calls it anything other than the Sears Tower.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Pego » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:47 am

Conor Dary wrote:
Daisy wrote:
One more thing, when did the Sears tower change it's name to the WIllis tower?


A couple of years ago. I don't know anyone who calls it anything other than the Sears Tower.


Another thing I learned on this message board :D . Never heard it before.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby mump boy » Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:03 pm

that is one of the most horrendous things i have ever seen :shock:

i'm going to have nightmares
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby guru » Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:08 pm

How about spending the night on the sheer face of El Capitan dangling on a port a ledge. With a partner.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/extreme ... n-14220329
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby DrJay » Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:31 pm

One of my climbing buds here in the Springs did El Cap a couple of dozen times in the 1980s. One of his partners insisted on separate porta-ledges....he needed some privacy because the only way he could cope with the stress of doing a big wall and sleep up there at night was to take care of a certain sort of private business before calling it a night. My friend and a different partner were up there, on a porta-ledge, when the October 1989 earthquake hit the Bay Area. They most definitely felt it. Stuff was moving around, there was no small amount of rockfall in the Valley. They were scared sh#tl@ss.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Walt Murphy » Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:52 am

Has anyone tried this yet? Saw a feature on the EdgeWalk on top of the CN Tower in Toronto on the Today Show earlier in the week. Now this looks like (scary) fun! It's not cheap--$175.00US, but you get pictures and a video. I've added it to my bucket list!

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/41521818/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/05/09/cn-tower-edge-walk.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECtwVf1AreY
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Flumpy » Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:09 am

mump boy wrote:that is one of the most horrendous things i have ever seen :shock:

i'm going to have nightmares


I could only watch for 30 seconds. Stopped, watched 10 more then had to turn it off.

I feel a bit sick.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby guru » Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:20 am

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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby DrJay » Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:04 pm

Trivia question: What is the tip of the capstone of the Washington Monument made of?
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Daisy » Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:18 pm

DrJay wrote:Trivia question: What is the tip of the capstone of the Washington Monument made of?

Dollar bills?
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby lonewolf » Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:34 pm

DrJay wrote:Trivia question: What is the tip of the capstone of the Washington Monument made of?

I thought it was all marble.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby DoubleRBar » Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:23 pm

I believe it is aluminum.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:18 pm

The holds on that tower are vastly better then an most of the places available on major climbs like El Cap. A friend of mine (worked with him three years, he stays with us occasionally for several months) is from Moscow and he was a competitive mountain climber in the USSR. He said that he did climbs with similar exposure/length as El Cap etc. I do not think he would be awed by that video, which was very 'shaky', which exaggerated the difficulty, I think. Of course, I do not have the background in climbing of Dr.Jay and Conar, so I do pay attention to them.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Daisy » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:11 am

26mi235 wrote:The holds on that tower are vastly better then an most of the places available on major climbs like El Cap.

Are you sure? I can't tell from the photo's but don't really see any good holds on the tower. Although, it does not really matter if you're tied on and going down.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby guru » Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:49 am

Daisy wrote:
26mi235 wrote:The holds on that tower are vastly better then an most of the places available on major climbs like El Cap.

Are you sure? I can't tell from the photo's but don't really see any good holds on the tower. Although, it does not really matter if you're tied on and going down.



I wouldn't want to be the guy hanging out on the hatch ledge trying to lasso the top of the tower with that first safety line.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Daisy » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:29 am

guru wrote:I wouldn't want to be the guy hanging out on the hatch ledge trying to lasso the top of the tower with that first safety line.

I presume he has a safety harness and is tied on to something inside. While you still get the exposure it's not the same as being free.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby DrJay » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:55 am

DoubleRBar wrote:I believe it is aluminum.


We have a winner. From wiki:

...it was finally completed, with the 100 ounce (2.85 kg) aluminum tip/lightning-rod being put in place on December 6, 1884.[22] The tip was the largest single piece of aluminum cast at the time, when aluminum commanded a price comparable to silver. Two years later, the Hall–Héroult process made aluminum easier to produce and the price of aluminum plummeted, making the once-valuable tip nearly worthless, though it still provided a lustrous, non-rusting tip that served as the original lightning rod.[26] The monument opened to the public on October 9, 1888.[27]
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby DrJay » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:05 am

I like photo #3....lots of loops of webbing wrapped around the thing.

I wonder if there's an OSHA description of exactly how, safety-wise, a crew is supposed to go about inspecting the Washington Monument for damage after an earthquake? (Maybe goes like "Section CXLVIII.R.92.a (iv): Post-earthquake inspection of government-owned obelisks")
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Cooter Brown » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:17 am

Some Russian kids climb the cabling on a bridge...this may be more harrowing than the cell tower...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjAMdbEXSdo
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby lonewolf » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:46 am

Cooter Brown wrote:Some Russian kids climb the cabling on a bridge...this may be more harrowing than the cell tower...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjAMdbEXSdo

Yep, we have a winner. :shock: How the heck did they get down? :?
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby guru » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:52 am

And then, there's Philippe Petit...


http://static3.slamxhype.com/wp-content ... -petit.jpg

http://superradnow.files.wordpress.com/ ... tit_01.jpg

http://images.suite101.com/982477_com_manonwire_.jpg


On Wednesday, 7 August 1974, shortly after 7:15 a.m., Petit stepped off the South Tower and onto his 3/4" 6×19 IWRC (independent wire rope core) steel cable. He walked the wire for 45 minutes, making eight crossings between the towers, a quarter mile above the sidewalks of Manhattan. In addition to walking, he sat on the wire, gave knee salutes and, while lying on the wire, spoke with a gull circling above his head.

As soon as Petit was observed by witnesses on the ground, the Port Authority Police Department dispatched officers to take him into custody. One of the officers, Sgt. Charles Daniels, later reported his experience:

I observed the tightrope 'dancer'—because you couldn't call him a 'walker'—approximately halfway between the two towers. And upon seeing us he started to smile and laugh and he started going into a dancing routine on the high wire....And when he got to the building we asked him to get off the high wire but instead he turned around and ran back out into the middle....He was bouncing up and down. His feet were actually leaving the wire and then he would resettle back on the wire again....Unbelievable really....Everybody was spellbound in the watching of it.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby guru » Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:58 pm

60 Minutes this week - the greatest free climber in the world.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id= ... ryMediaBox
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby DrJay » Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:58 pm

To be precise, free-soloist. Free climbing is when one uses a rope and protection but only as back-up, with progress up the climb made with only the hands/feet (sometimes the knees, hip, elbow, etc). Free soloing is that guy, no gear. Aid climbing is when one weights their protection, to rest or to advance upward.

I'd say young Alex Honnold has a 50/50 chance of living another five years. I've never climbed in the Valley, but the crux pitch of the route he soloed on Half Dome has a few incredibly sketchy moves, pure friction moves with hardly a wrinkle in the granite for the hands and feet. The Phoenix, shown on 60 Minutes, is rated 5.13a and the first time that rating was ever used on a rock climb was 1979. He's soloing what was at the limit of what guys were climbing with ropes thirty years ago.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby guru » Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:14 pm

DrJay wrote:To be precise, free-soloist.



He climbs both ways. His record sub-6 hour climb of El Cap's Nose was not free solo, though his most mind-blowing for the average observer certainly is the free solo stuff.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby lonewolf » Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:24 pm

guru wrote:60 Minutes this week - the greatest free climber in the world.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id= ... ryMediaBox

The only way I could watch that was to know he survived since they interviewed him afterward.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Athleticsimaging » Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:26 pm

Toronto had a better tower experience in 1980!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_neYidAwNs
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby guru » Tue May 22, 2012 8:05 pm

Frontline this week with an excellent report on cell tower workers and the dangers they face, often due to ignoring safety measures and free climbing

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... er-deaths/
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby DrJay » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:55 pm

Wasn't sure whether to put this here or on the Darwin Award thread. Don't think we've had any slacklining posts here. Google "Taft Point Yosemite slacklining" for more photos and videos. I was at Taft Point last Friday with my kids and there were some guys slacklining, but they had on climbing harnesses and a tether to the line, should they fall. And a long fall it would be....3000', no exaggeration. So some people, like Dean Potter, a climber who also solos a lot of rock climbs, have done it without a tether.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVwQAVxfQkw
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby guru » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:21 am

Impressive as it was, the fact Nik Wallenda used a safety harness for his Niagara Falls crossing definitely took the edge off it.

Somewhere, Philippe Petit was shaking his head...
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby DrJay » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:32 pm

Great documentary about Philippe Petit and the World Trade Center walk, called "Man on Wire." Netflix has it.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby guru » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:26 pm

DrJay wrote:Great documentary about Philippe Petit and the World Trade Center walk, called "Man on Wire." Netflix has it.



Yep, actually won an Oscar I believe. Sundance runs it occasionally.


No safety harness. No strap to help support the weight of the balancing pole.

http://glencove.files.wordpress.com/200 ... n-wire.jpg
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:38 am

guru wrote:Impressive as it was, the fact Nik Wallenda used a safety harness for his Niagara Falls crossing definitely took the edge off it.

Somewhere, Philippe Petit was shaking his head...


It was NBC who insisted on that. Having a fatal accident on live TV is not a good thing.
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Re: Not For The Acrophobic

Postby Dutra5 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:21 am

Conor Dary wrote:
guru wrote:Impressive as it was, the fact Nik Wallenda used a safety harness for his Niagara Falls crossing definitely took the edge off it.

Somewhere, Philippe Petit was shaking his head...


It was NBC who insisted on that. Having a fatal accident on live TV is not a good thing.


It was ABC and they threatened to pull the broadcast if he removed it.
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