Time Britain Had another Great Female Sprinter

[Speedster]

I thought that Emily Freeman looked pretty well conditioned in Berlin, she ran a PB in the semi and was then a little down in the final, but so was everyone else.

Poor Montell, she's burdened with that 11.05 for the rest of her career, unlikely to go near it again. Can her sparatic performances be linked to her conditioning?

I think Kohler is spot on. You can see from the size of Jeter that weight training is key to training and her ability to hold her sprint form.

[LondonGuy]

Jodie Williams is a phenomenal talent...really exceptional however there's a huge amount of risk in building exceptional young athletes such as herself too much to do something extraordinary as they age. (This is from my observation from myself going through the UK athletics ranks from u15 to present)

1. Puberty - No one knows what stage these young athletes are at. They could of hit puberty much earlier than their age peers hence being well in advance of their performances and as everyone ages the gap closes or that athlete is surpassed! Seen it happen on so many occasions and feel it is a real flaw in youth athletics.

With girls specifically, they reach and complete puberty far in advance of guys, therefore some female athletes may be using their core adult strength long in advance of actually being an adult, however the increase in core strength is unlikely to increase so dramatically again after this point.

On the other hand, if some girls have not finished puberty is probably more worrying because one of the main side effects of female puberty is increase fat stores and widening of hips. These effects can seriously derail a females sprinters progression.

2. Training age - The longer it is, generally (not always) the gains being made tend tend to fall at an increasing rate the longer it is. (This is considering they have been training hard and consistent throughout). The athlete could also suffer from burnout.

Thats why although I'm always impressed with youth prodigies (especially in Uk, which on a side note I think is due to career enders...I mean UKA) I take it with a pinch of salt until they break into seniors.

Anyone got any thoughts on this?
Although I think Jodie is that exceptional that she will make it in the end (fingers crossed)

[CookyMonzta]

I don't want to sound rude or anything, but, is Kathy Cook coaching? Sonia Lannaman, perhaps? I would think they could present a philosophy that could get these girls to a point where they could at least challenge the U.S. or Jamaica at the 2nd tier. Right now, they only have Big O (and sometimes Sanders) in the 400.

[vip]

Londonguy, I really don't think there's any rhyme or reason when it comes to youth athletes. I've seen some girls hit puberty early, beat all the other girls at a young age, and still maintain a good portion of their speed well into their 20s despite all the naysayers saying she would slow down considerably. On the other hand, some of the late puberty girls do gain speed in their teens but never kick into a higher gear as they age.

It's a long-winded way of saying: who knows what Mother Nature is doing?

Also, when it comes to maturing girls, you must be concerned by what I call the three B's: Boobs, butts and boys. They all tend to increase during the late teen years and can throw an athlete off course.

It's probably best to take it year by year, celebrate what's going on now with Jodie and others like her, and let tomorrow take care of tomorrow. Crystal balling is always a tricky science.

[Gabriella]

Jodie won the Junior Gala in Mannheim, Germany, over the weekend in an excellent 11.26 (MR)ahead of another talent, Leena Gunther, 11.46, and Tatjana Pinto, 11.51. Jodie had earlier run the meet record with 11.35. The old meet record was held by Katchi Habel at 11.41 in 2001. It's worth noting Habel's career didnt really go anywhere, so here's hoping Jodie is well looked after.

Jodie also ran in the 4x100 where the British team ran 44.45. Germany DNF but ran a later heat to win in 44.22.

The senior women's 100m was run by Mollinger in 11.33 ahead of Kwadwo, 11.33, and Wagner, 11.49. It's a shame Jodie wasn't in that race.

[nevetsllim]

Laura Turner set a PB of 11.11 but it's hard to get too excited about it because the wind was +2.0m/s and it was set at altitude in La Chaux-de-Fonds. I'd be very surprised if she's able to replicate this performance at the Euros.

[Gabriella]

Plus Douglas ran 11.40, yet was outside 12 secs at the UK trials!

[72]

That's cos the meet was arranged expressly to permit a larger team and justify UKA set up. Turner is an 11.3 sprinter and not an 11.1 sprinter.

Rumour is that UKA have planned over the next couple of years meets at Mexico City a week before the Selection meeting, with a friendly timekeeper in charge of the wind gauge; he might be a relative of the 2.0 tailwind man of Mexican OG 1968 fame.

[jjimbojames]

That's cos the meet was arranged expressly to permit a larger team and justify UKA set up. Turner is an 11.3 sprinter and not an 11.1 sprinter.

Rumour is that UKA have planned over the next couple of years meets at Mexico City a week before the Selection meeting, with a friendly timekeeper in charge of the wind gauge; he might be a relative of the 2.0 tailwind man of Mexican OG 1968 fame.

Do you not get bored of going onto different forums to simply whine and put people down, in the delusion that you're being funny? I really don't get why you still post on a forum you constantly moan about

[IanS_Liv]

^^^^^ What jjimbo said.

None of us assign much credibility to Montell Douglas' 11.05 either, but you're the only one still going on about it.

Plus, it's really bad form to slag off your fellow countrymen to people from around the world. Since '68 athletes have always gone to altitude to get quick times. There's nothing new about it. Why is it such an issue?

I've often thought that our women have the tools but just need that bit of a confidence boost to push them onto a higher level. Jeanette Kwakye got her boost indoors after going full time and went on the make the Olympic final. If it takes an altitude run to do it then I don't care, to be frank.

Btw, I keep forgetting to bookmark JRM's excellent calculator. Anyone got the link and knows what 11.11 +2.0 at 1000' is 'worth'?

[peach77]

In fairness, yes, 11.11 is probably a bit of a stretch, but I thought Turner looked much better than in recent years at the European Cup and would break 11.2 this year...which, to be honest, will do an awful lot of business in Barcelona in what is a pretty weak event for the Europeans.

And as for Douglas and the "outside 12 seconds" comparison, she had run 11.8 into a headwind (so what, 11.7ish?) at the trials as well and it was her first race of 2010- she was bound to get significantly better. Elaine O'Neill ran 11.39 and so was "only" about .1 faster than her previous SB. Also, both Turner (11.3) and Douglas (11.5) had run quite well into headwinds in the heat...

[72]

Putting her down... spare me the cliches. Some people are sick to death of the world of reality which is not recognised by the jimbojames of this world. Turner is a second rate 11.3 sprinter who is bulled up by a lot of Flag Wavers from wherever and if I wish to point out that fact and you dont like it, whether its here on TFN Forum or anywhere else...tough.

Jimbo ... one of the Flag Wavers from AW Forum, I presume.

As for the gobbledegook about my duty to talk up very lucky sprinters and the number of poor athletes racing round the world to qualify... thats my opinion and if its too much for you, again tough.

I never mentioned in my post Montell Douglas, so off to the opticians with you. She is another second rate athlete who is not worth another word.

What is this nonsense about moaning... Grow up and accept that the world does not need to express your views, Jimbo, or anybody elses.
If you jimbo are a fan of UKA and its trickery , happy you.!!!!

[72]

I do not get bored going to different Forums ,Jimbo, just bored with the fans who cannot see various truths about British athletes.
I also belong to a grown ups British forum called Athletics Daily Forum and they agree with me broadly on a range of athletic issues, especially the general uselessness of the UKA mob.. They did not apparently get your permission to express themselves.

I will not be reading any more stuff from you ,Jimbo, so fire away.....

My name is 72 so what information have you got, that is NONE of your ruddy business. Perhaps your real name is Isabre the Clown.

The merit of Trackandfield news Forum is that the posters dont write, in the main, a load of hypeventilated b....cks about athletes just because they are Americans, babling on about PBs etc etc...

[jjimbojames]

72 - Half of your posts above don't even make sense; I didn't mention the vast majority of your reponse! I am not a 'flag waver' as you put it, but don't see the point in going round typing the same negativity. All you do is moan about AW being too positive. Yet many would argue AD is too negative, and particularly group you as the 'anti-UKA brigade' - but you claim they are realistic

My point is - why go on a forum you repeatedly state you don't like and keep telling the world about it? If you don't like lsabre's (at times excessive) posting of SB's of Brit athletes, don't go on a site that is pretty much about that - you have alternatives

As you say, forums such as this provide an international basis - but now you are starting to make it become AW Mark II with the same postings as over there 2 minutes prior

[mump boy]

I do not get bored going to different Forums ,Jimbo, just bored with the fans who cannot see various truths about British athletes.
I also belong to a grown ups British forum called Athletics Daily Forum and they agree with me broadly on a range of athletic issues, especially the general uselessness of the UKA mob.. They did not apparently get your permission to express themselves.

I will not be reading any more stuff from you ,Jimbo, so fire away.....

My name is 72 so what information have you got, that is NONE of your ruddy business. Perhaps your real name is Isabre the Clown.

The merit of Trackandfield news Forum is that the posters dont write, in the main, a load of hypeventilated b....cks about athletes just because they are Americans, babling on about PBs etc etc...

can you please just piss off

it's bad enough that you've managed to ruin the AW forum with your constant squabbles with the abominable he who shall not be named.

i have never heard you say anything positive about a uk athlete, nobody is interested in your petty vendetta about UKA and your rude and aggressive manner is not appreiated

[shivfan]

My issue with athletics in the UK is that it's treated as a minor sport in the schools and in the media. I went to school in Jamaica, and obviously athletics - especially sprinting - is treated as a major sport. My kids go to school in London, and athletics ranks way behind the likes of football, rugby, netball, etc. So, is it surprising that Britain is having trouble finding the next great female sprinter?

[72]

Well , mumpboy, if you have never heard me say anything positive ???? about Brit athletes then you are blind as well as stupid. It is unutterable and factual rubbish to make that statement ; I am not one of your Flag waver types, like you , but cheered on Brit athletes all over the globe back in the seventies, eighties, and nineties ; so grow up . Do you think you are the only fan of British athletics around who writes essential truths about British athletics.

You are a little man who thinks we should all endlessly bang a little drum to suit your convenience ; sadly I remember when we were a great star team( you may have been in short pants at the time) and you are not likely to see such stuff in your dotage, cos UKA are a bunch of self promoting w*****s and our society has changed and half a dozen other reasons.

Thank God that I can post on AthleticsDaily where the grown ups live.

BTW silly man since you do not know me, how the f**k do you know what I have said about British athletics in my time.

A nice big team for the Euros; you must be thrilled. it will please all the people whose taxes and Lottery money helps considerably pay for the team, some of whom should not be there.

By the way I have sadly seen pictures on the net of you at a meeting. Blimey !!!!.

I am not pissing off any time soon.

[Flumpy]

Well , mumpboy, if you have never heard me say anything positive ???? about Brit athletes then you are blind as well as stupid. It is unutterable and factual rubbish to make that statement ; I am not one of your Flag waver types, like you.

And this is where your arguments always fall to pieces. Clearly you don't know mump boy at all. Anyone who disagrees with you is inevitably labelled an apologist for AKA when the truth is they just happen to disagree with you.

By the way I have sadly seen pictures on the net of you at a meeting. Blimey !!!!

I am not pissing off any time soon.

I wouldn't bet on it.

[IanS_Liv]

Tut tut! Stop feeding the troll Flumpy. He ain't worth it.

[Flumpy]

Point taken.

[mump boy]

Jeanette is back

7.28 at the Southern Counties today after heat in 7.39, 7.34 in the semis

Championship record, European lead in her face race indoors since her WI silver in 2008

this makes me very

i know i say this every year but

Jeannette, Jodie, Emily, Abi

it's going to happen this year

[jjimbojames]

^^^Great news.

Saw on her twitter she was planning a low-key start and then see how it goes - hopefully she'll be tempted to get on the circuit after that

[mump boy]

here's the race

not sure why there are only 4 in the final one being Katherine Edecott

http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video. ... 6&comments

[peach77]

What is going on with Endacott? Is she concentrating on bobsleigh now or is it just a side thing?

As for Jeannette I am SO SO happy she's back in some sort of shape. I pray to god she has a season (and then another!) free of injury. She's the only British sprinter (senior) I've seen in my time as a fan who I think could properly challenge the best in the world...

[lsabre]

Excellent comeback to full racing by Jeanette Kwakye there and I think she looks like getting back to her best. She clocked 7.38, 7.34 and finally 7.28 through three rounds in quick succession which shows sound endurance into the bargain. I wouldn't be surprised if she gets among the medals in Paris and breaks her UK Indoor record at the peak of the season. Well done to her!

[Speedster]

Delighted in this come back. Her 2008 runs indoors and outdoor show she has the physical gifts and mental strength to go far, as long as she is healthy. She is easily the most talented female sprinter in the UK. If she can get back down to 11.1 this year, then I think she can make the final next year.

[Speedster]

here's the race

not sure why there are only 4 in the final one being Katherine Edecott

http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video. ... 6&comments

I'm having trouble accessing the video, can you adjust the setting so that everyone can view it? It might be set to Friends Only?

[El Toro]

I'm having trouble accessing the video, can you adjust the setting so that everyone can view it? It might be set to Friends Only?

Take the hint fella, transplants not wanted.

[mump boy]

here's the race

not sure why there are only 4 in the final one being Katherine Edecott

http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video. ... 6&comments

I'm having trouble accessing the video, can you adjust the setting so that everyone can view it? It might be set to Friends Only?

it's not my video and i'm not friends with the person who posted it so i don't know what the problem is. are you a member of facebook ?

[Daisy]

i'm not friends with the person who posted it

I don't see it either. While you might not be a direct friend you might be a friend of one of their friends. One of the options when posting content is to allow 'friends of friends' to see it.

[mump boy]

i'm not friends with the person who posted it

I don't see it either. While you might not be a direct friend you might be a friend of one of their friends. One of the options when posting content is to allow 'friends of friends' to see it.

that must be it

i'll see if i can find it anywhere else

[Jon]

This was briefly mentioned on the Glasgow thread (for some strange reason), but in case it gets missed on there it's worth highlighting here, that Jodie Williams set a European age-17 60m best of 7.28, and Asha Philip returned from long-term injury:
http://www.athleticsweekly.com/news/jod ... p-returns/

[mump boy]

This was briefly mentioned on the Glasgow thread (for some strange reason), but in case it gets missed on there it's worth highlighting here, that Jodie Williams set a European age-17 60m best of 7.28, and Asha Philip returned from long-term injury:
http://www.athleticsweekly.com/news/jod ... p-returns/

And ashleigh ran really well as well

i love the fact that Jodie and Asha train together

do you think in the next few years our prodigious teenage talent may actually produce at a senior level

[lsabre]

Since I'm relatively new on the T&F forum, I'm no much aware of many earlier threads and many times I may have not got the time to look for either. So I felt it could fall nicely in as an aside with the main action of the weekend in the UK, namely the International Match in Glasgow.

Talking of young sprint talent producing the goods, one shouldn't fail to mention 15-year-old Desiree Henry who ran an excellent PB of 7.54 secs at the Lee Valley as well!

[shivfan]

CO is back in training in Jamaica, with the Track Racers....

http://www.rjrnewsonline.com/sports/ath ... ng-jamaica

'“I’m just focusing on getting myself back to full fitness and hopefully I will be in good form going into the World Championships in August,” she said. It is the second straight year that Ohuruogu is working out with the Racers Track Club. Her coach, Jamaican-born Llowd Cowan, who is an Olympic coach with UK Athletics, says he would not have any other way. “The location is great, at this time of year in the UK it’s snowing and cold, you can’t motivate athletes to run in the snow, so it’s a nice environment to come here and run and be able to train and relax,” Cowan said.'