Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself


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Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby gcheves » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:47 pm

Maybe he'll round into shape by outdoor. I was thinking he may be the only person who could challenge Karani James, of Alabama, because he beat him at the indoor champs last spring. But he has a ways to go to get back to that kind of form.

Results from the Clemson Challenge 400m

1. 1 Lawrence, Torrin JR-3 Georgia 48.08 -
2. 2 Adams, Phillip JR-3 Georgia 49.18 -
3. 3 Danville, Neil JR-3 Auburn 49.79 -
4. 4 Laskowski, Brian JR-3 Miami 49.85 -
5. 5 Porter, Clay FR-1 Auburn 51.13 -
6. Kasson, Ethan JR-3 Georgia NT
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby gh » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:59 am

Won by more than a second, so not sure that dire pronouncements aren't perhaps a bit premature.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby Marlow » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:03 am

Kidding right? Who even lets up in training for early indoor meets? You have absolutely no way of telling what shape he's in from this result.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby gcheves » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:10 am

It's possible that he eased up but Thomas Murdaugh of Ohio State opened his season with a 47.3 at the Michigan - Ohio State dual, and his closest competitor was a second and half back.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby 7-sided » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:40 am

gcheves wrote:It's possible that he eased up but Thomas Murdaugh of Ohio State opened his season with a 47.3 at the Michigan - Ohio State dual, and his closest competitor was a second and half back.

I agree with Marlow: You've got to be kidding!!! You're really comparing two races on two different tracks for the first race of the season and declaring an athlete a shell of his former self? Amazing :roll:
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:52 am

Is it a banked or a flat oval? At that speed it matters a lot.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby gcheves » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:16 am

I will have to find out if the tracks were banked. That would make big difference. I think Lawrence ran 45.1 on the Arkansas indoor facility last March. Do you think he'll be running 45 in two months time?
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby KevinM » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:43 am

It's flat 200m Mondo.

Regardless of the track length/banking, I agree with those criticizing the melodramatic, ignorant title and tone of the original post.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby gcheves » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:43 am

Neither of tracks at Clemson and Ohio State appear to be banked, based on the pictures and descriptions.

http://clemsontigers.cstv.com/school-bi ... track.html

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewAr ... LID=925247
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby gcheves » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:47 am

KevinM wrote:It's flat 200m Mondo.

Regardless of the track length/banking, I agree with those criticizing the melodramatic, ignorant title and tone of the original post.


Let's try less vitriol and more dialogue.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby 7-sided » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:04 am

gcheves, there is only one 200m unbanked track that has -historically- shown fast (I might add near inhuman times for a flat track) and that is the O'Connell Center track at the University of Florida. However, if you didn't know, it is virtually a circle and it gets the best sprint athletes every 4 years or so for the SEC championships. With the profliferation of banked tracks (TxA&M, AR, PSU, etc) and oversized (UK, UW, ND, etc) tracks don't be surprised if the flat tracks become increasingly "slower".

Also, the best way to tell how fast a flat track is would be to look at 200m times, not the 400m. The 200m races were close to 22 seconds at Clemson.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby gcheves » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:15 am

I've been to the O'connell center. The last time I was there on campus was in 2004 when the Gators hosted the NCAA East Regions. You're right, that track is fast. Do you remember Mark Everett? He ran 45 something on that track, I believe.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby BCBaroo » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:02 pm

No "vitriol" intended, but when I read the subject line and saw that you had clipped a result I figured I'd see him getting "shellacked" in 6th place in something like 52. That to me would be a shell.

It's early season. (very)
He won.
It's indoor.

Speaking, of, can we just get to outdoor soon, I'm growing impatient.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby Marlow » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:07 pm

BCBaroo wrote:can we just get to outdoor soon, I'm growing impatient.

You rang? The Florida HS outdoor season kicks off tomorrow (well, pre-season, at least - can't have meets till Feb 14). :D
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:50 pm

7-sided wrote:gcheves, there is only one 200m unbanked track that has -historically- shown fast (I might add near inhuman times for a flat track) and that is the O'Connell Center track at the University of Florida. However, if you didn't know, it is virtually a circle and it gets the best sprint athletes every 4 years or so for the SEC championships.


In light of the new rules on the curvature (minimum radius of curvature of Xm (50?) is this track still legitimate for records?
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby doug5321 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:41 pm

gcheves wrote:I will have to find out if the tracks were banked. That would make big difference. I think Lawrence ran 45.1 on the Arkansas indoor facility last March. Do you think he'll be running 45 in two months time?



yes i think he will be running 45.?? in 2 months, he runs 48 low in basically a non important race, unpushed so he probably is in high 46-low 47 shape now, 2 more months of training, much tougher competition, the adrenaline of being in the big meet for the indoor season (NCAA INDOOR) backing off the hard training for an indoor season peak (not as peaked as he will be for june) yeah definetely 45 something in 2 months in march, dont even worry.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby gcheves » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:15 am

The Gilliam Indoor Stadium at College Station, Texas, the site of this year's NCAA indoor champs, does not appear to be a banked track.

http://www.ncaa.com/championships/track ... oor-men/d1

I take that back ... on this picture it definitely looks banked

http://www.aggieathletics.com/facilities/gilliam.html

I hope Lawrence does run 45 in March but I'm going to wait and see how he progresses before I make any predictions.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby dj » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:04 am

gcheves wrote:The Gilliam Indoor Stadium at College Station, Texas, the site of this year's NCAA indoor champs, does not appear to be a banked track.

http://www.ncaa.com/championships/track ... oor-men/d1

I take that back ... on this picture it definitely looks banked

http://www.aggieathletics.com/facilities/gilliam.html

I hope Lawrence does run 45 in March but I'm going to wait and see how he progresses before I make any predictions.


Odd. To my eyes it appears banked even in the first photo.

Aside from what it looks like, the fact is that it IS banked.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby tandfman » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:27 am

Yes. Those of us who have been there know that it's banked. (And I must say that even if I hadn't been there, I couldn't imagine the NCAA having its indoor championships on a flat track.)
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby nbonaddio » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:52 pm

tandfman wrote:Yes. Those of us who have been there know that it's banked. (And I must say that even if I hadn't been there, I couldn't imagine the NCAA having its indoor championships on a flat track.)


Apropos of little, the DIII championships are always run on a 200m flat track. It usually ends up resulting in the schools from the Midwest (who are more used to the track) doing much better than than the New England schools who have gotten fat at the Armory, Reggie Lewis, etc.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby bman » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:42 pm

These are the facts

National rankings: http://www.tfrrs.org/lists/607.html#53

Clemson's track is not banked. Ohio State's track is not banked.

Torrin Lawrewnce opened his outdoor season in 48 high last season.

My question is what did he open his indoor season in last year in routs to his 45.03?
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby polevaultpower » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:11 pm

bman wrote:My question is what did he open his indoor season in last year in routs to his 45.03?


See his stats here:
http://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/A ... AID=665977
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby ATK » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:07 pm

bman wrote:These are the facts

National rankings: http://www.tfrrs.org/lists/607.html#53

Clemson's track is not banked. Ohio State's track is not banked.

Torrin Lawrewnce opened his outdoor season in 48 high last season.

My question is what did he open his indoor season in last year in routs to his 45.03?


He did not run a 400 until february 5th last indoor season where he ran 46.66. He ran 21.19 for the 200 and 32.32 for 300(college record I think) on the 15th and 22nd of january respectively.

But on January 24th 2009 he ran 46.84 to open his indoor season as a freshman at the Illinois-Armory which clearly appears to be flat here
http://www.athletics.illinois.edu/facil ... efault.htm

Also the 48 high he ran to open his outdoor season was pretty insignificant considering he suffered an injury (groin I think) about 2 weeks after indoor NCAA's, which explains his absence from the remaining outdoor season except for some relays.

Personally I think he will be fine, for 45 by NCAA's...
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby polevaultpower » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:21 pm

Yes, Illinois is a flat track, I've been there.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby Irun_toofast » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:35 pm

If you look at the Directathletics performance list Lawrences 48.08 is converted to 47.48...So he may not be in the shape he was i last year indoor but he basically picked up where he let off outdoor season where he was running 47 secs while still in recovery.So one can imagine he will eventually get back into the stellar shape he was in.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:18 pm

Torrin Lawrence at VT, not much slower than McKay


Place Athlete Name Yr Affiliation Time Heat(Pl)
1 Antonio McKay Jr. SR Georgia Tech 47.09 1 (1)
2 Torrin Lawrence JR Georgia 47.30 2 (1)
3 Kevin Anding JR Virginia 47.59 1 (2)
4 Jordan Rispress SO Clemson 48.28 1 (3)
5 La'Mont Jackson SO Clemson 48.39 1 (4)
6 Kyle Younkin FR Clemson 48.67 2 (2)
7 Miles Walker JR NC State 49.18 2 (3)
DNS Tony McQuay SO Florida
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby Riff80 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:33 pm

Torrin Lawrence just ran 45.82 at Tyson Inv. Now just stay healthy please.


Place Athlete Name Yr Affiliation Time Heat(Pl)
1 Torrin Lawrence JR Georgia 45.82 A 1 (1)
2 Rondell Bartholomew SO South Plains 45.84 1 (2)
3 Tony McQuay SO Florida 45.95 A 4 (1)
4 Brady Gehret FR Penn State 46.25 4 (2)
5 Caleb Williams SO LSU 46.65 14 (1)
6 Marquis Holston SO Norfolk State 46.67 [46.663] 3 (1)
7 Marek Niit SO Arkansas 46.67 [46.668] 1 (3)
8 Anton Kokorin SO South Plains 46.91 3 (2)
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby nbonaddio » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:11 pm

Riff80 wrote: 4 Brady Gehret FR Penn State 46.25 4 (2)


Wonderful performance by the freshman. Between him and Loxsom, they've got some nice runners up in State College.

In fact, the mind boggles at what Loxsom, Gehret, Foster (3:58 mile), and Williams (1:48 800m) could do in the DMR!
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby LopenUupunut » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:15 pm

Riff80 wrote: 7 Marek Niit SO Arkansas 46.67 [46.668] 1 (3)
Estonian indoor record I think.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby Marlow » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:45 pm

Riff80 wrote:Torrin Lawrence just ran 45.82 at Tyson Inv.

Making the thread title sillier and sillier.
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby unclezadok » Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:44 am

LopenUupunut wrote:
Riff80 wrote: 7 Marek Niit SO Arkansas 46.67 [46.668] 1 (3)
Estonian indoor record I think.


When you select a result like that to report, does this mean you are Niit-picking?
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Re: Torrin Lawrence just a shell of himself

Postby gcheves » Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:21 am

Marlow wrote:
Riff80 wrote:Torrin Lawrence just ran 45.82 at Tyson Inv.

Making the thread title sillier and sillier.


Torrin Lawrence is still "burning up" the track in 7th Place, with a time of 46.14 at the Chris Brown Invitational in the Bahamas http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... oDn_lq2sA#! But I'm sure he'll bounce back and beat Karani James in Moscow
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