We will see peace in the Middle East...........


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We will see peace in the Middle East...........

Postby Brutal » Sat Jun 14, 2003 4:11 pm

.....a woman president and a rock band from Afganistan, before we see a 19.31 200 meters.

That night in Atlanta in 1996 when MJ came off that curve looking every bit like an alien from another planet, is still etched on my brain. What an amazing performance.

In a word "supernatural"!

The 200 will never see another cat like MJ, there are no sub 10.10/44.00 guys out there. There is noway a 100 meter man will be able to have the needed "speed endurance" to deal in sub 19.60 times. There is noway a 400 guy unable to run a sub 10.20 will have the speed to run that fast.

MJ was simply a freak of nature! Now he's gone and with him he took that 19.32......poof gone!!!!!!!
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Postby Guest » Sat Jun 14, 2003 4:13 pm

This is current events?
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Postby Guest » Sat Jun 14, 2003 4:23 pm

and they said there would never be another 29' long jump . . .
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Re: We will see peace in the Middle East...........

Postby Guest » Sat Jun 14, 2003 9:44 pm

i agree with you, it has been almsot seven years, but i can remember it like it took place this evening.
you are right that there is nobody out there able to run 10 low and sub 44 basically combine the sustained sprint of michael johnson.
i believe he destroyed the 200, maybe the 400 meters too...
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Postby Guest » Tue Jun 17, 2003 6:35 pm

>and they said there would never be another 29'
>long jump . . .

Or a four minute mile. Or an eight foot high jump. Or a 60 foot triple jump. Or a 70 foot shot put. Or Jim Ryun's HS records broken ...

If one man has done something, sooner or later someone comes along who can also duplicate or exceed the feat. Drugs or no drugs, whatever the stories or suspicions, the record will fall. It'll fall before we see peace in the Middle East, that's for darn sure.
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Re: We will see peace in the Middle East...........

Postby Guest » Sun Jun 22, 2003 10:48 pm

true. all WRs will be broken before MiddleEast peace (unless their youth are distracted by sex,drugs,&rock+roll.) MJ's 19.32 will be last to go, but it'll go. Interesting: is his'upright' running style best for the 200? All it'll take is an equally-fit runner running fresh (no prelims), and specific 200m focus (200 has always been 2nd fiddle to 100 - that's why WR has always lagged in comparison) p.s.- trivia - who was first sub-:20, under any conditions?
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Postby Guest » Mon Jun 23, 2003 4:31 pm

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>p.s.- trivia - who was first
>sub-:20, under any conditions?
>



The following performances below 20 seconds were all recorded under various conditions, before Smith’s 19.83a FAT in Mexico City was established as the first officially recognised sub 20 world record.

David Sime 19.9 June 9th 1956
Francis Budd 19.9 May 12th 1962
Henry Carr 19.8 May 11th 1963
Vernus Ragadale 19.5 April 24th 1964
Tommie Smith 19.5 May 7th 1966
Tommie Smith 19.9 June 11th 1966
Tommie Smith 19.3 May 13th 1967
Tommie Smith 19.9 April 20th 1968
John Carlos 19.7/19.92 September 12th 1968

The first sub 20 not run at altitude or on a track without a curve or with illegal spikes or during a relay leg was arguably Smith’s 19.9 in Sacramento in 1966, although not only is this tainted by being hand-timed, it is also merely an adjusted 220y time for which there was no precise clocking at 200m. This hand-timed sea level best was matched by Steve Williams in May 1975, before a month later Don Quarrie beat Williams in another sea-level race, with both athletes hand-timed in 19.8. These were the last such times to be ratified as world records. If you bear in mind that Quarrie’s 19.86 and Pietro Mennea’s 19.72 & 19.96 were both aided by altitude, the first truly legit sub 20 came arguably as late as August 17th 1980, when Mennea ran 19.96 for the second time. But since Mennea apparently admitted to using human growth hormone, which wasn’t illegal at the time, I’m preposterously going to argue that the first honest to god and decently valid sub 20 clocking in the history books was none other than Carl Lewis’s over easy 19.75 in Indianapolis on June 19th 1983, which was an incredible amount to slice off Valery Borzov’s FAT 20.00 sea level record.

Hey, if the previous poster can infer sub 20 happened sooner than the record books says it did, what’s wrong with also inferring it happened later?
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Re: We will see peace in the Middle East...........

Postby Guest » Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:05 pm

first sub-20, any conditions, was a 220y in 19.8 - straightaway, wind-aided, and maybe questionable timing or handicap race. Still, impressive for... 1933!! (I'll leave who & where for guessers)
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Postby 197hjsteve » Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:56 am

dakota sunrise, I'm puzzles by your listing of Sime @ 19.9. Was not that his 20 flat at Sanger on that date ?
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Re: We will see peace in the Middle East...........

Postby Guest » Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:27 pm

first sub-:20 (19.8y w str.) Ralph Metcalfe, Aug.,1933, Toronto. At top speed, he was faster than Owens. 19.8y converts to 19.93/m., and about
20.40 for full curve. Must've been a strong wind.
Or something.
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Postby Guest » Sun Jul 06, 2003 8:37 am

>first sub-:20 (19.8y w str.) Ralph Metcalfe,
>, Aug.,1933, Toronto. At top speed, he was
>faster than Owens. 19.8y converts to 19.93/m.,
>and about
20.40 for full curve. Must've been a
>strong wind.
Or something.


huh? how does a 19.8 yards time convert to a slower time over a shorter distance in metres? who else was in this race?
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Re: We will see peace in the Middle East...........

Postby Guest » Sun Jul 06, 2003 8:44 am

>>huh? how does a 19.8 yards time convert to a slower time over a shorter distance in metres? who else was in this race?<<

I assume he was also converting a hand time to auto.
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Postby Guest » Sun Jul 06, 2003 8:53 am

anyone know where that race can be downloaded from the internet or purchased from somewhere? i never saw that race, and i feel like i missed out big time (i was only 12 and not interested in track at that time haha).
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Postby JRM » Mon Jul 07, 2003 7:11 pm

Interesting stat, regardless of the metric conversion issue. Where in Toronto was this race run?

Another historic sporting landmark for TO was Babe Ruth's first homerun, hit in the ballpark which used to be on Toronto Island.
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Re: We will see peace in the Middle East...........

Postby gh » Tue Jul 08, 2003 5:42 am

IAAF Record Progression book (edited by Richard Hymans) makes this to be a pretty bogus performance.

It was held as part of the CNE (Canadian National Exhibition). Book says <<Doubtful timing. The race, which weas begun on a slight curve, was started by means of waving a handkerchief. The starter stood on the outside of the track, as a grandstand built for the exhibition obscured the timers' view of the start.>>

In short, the mark never happened.
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