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Postby Powell » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:32 am

I saw the entire throw from initiation till landing. I had kept an eye on that competition in general and on Włodarczyk in particular (although I was sitting in the finish line sector, which wasn't great for watching the HT). Somehow, though, I missed her post-throw celebration and the injury.
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Postby gh » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:23 am

I'm trying to remember why I didn't see it; things were amazingly hectic at that point. As I recall, both mPV and mLJ were at crucial junctures. And, if I'm not mistaken, didn't throw happen during the last lap (or even 200) of the w5000?

I talked to one guy (stop me if I posted this already!) who heard the German announcer yell "Weltrekord! Weltrekord!" and said, "no, dummy, that was 14:57, not 13:57!"
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Postby optimistic » Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:50 am

You've all inspired me to actually try and go to a few pro-level track meets. Is there a thread on the best meets to go to as a spectator (my going to a pro-meet will have to coincide with a family/spouse vacation so that must be taken into account)?
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Postby Daisy » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:28 am

optimistic wrote:my going to a pro-meet will have to coincide with a family/spouse vacation

Let's hope you don't like to vacation in Wisconsin.

Best I've been to are championship meets. Grand prix's are OK but do not have the same energy (although I've only been to Edinburgh and Crystal Palace and good meet in NYC). I always wanted to go to Bislet.

Indoor meets are good as you can be a little closer to the action, unless you're in the nose bleed seats at Madison Square Garden.
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Postby gh » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:01 pm

Oh darn.... several of my chief tormenters in this department now have an inferior women's PV to me. heh-heh-heh...
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Postby Randy Treadway » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:18 pm

As far as small meets go, there are a couple that stick out in my memory.

Houston McTear's 9.0 WR in the small schools section of a high school state championship was pretty amazing, given that it was so unexpected. When is the next time we're going to see a WR in a high school meet? Probably never.
And that I just happened to be there is equally amazing, in hindsight.

Then there was the Jav WR by a certain American/South African at the Pepsi Meet at UCLA, before many spectators have even arrived.
If I remember right they had balloons across the field marking the current WR, and his implement just kept sailing on and on, right over those balloons, without even popping any of them.

I saw one of those Eamonn Coghlan WR indoor miles in San Diego, and the crowd was really rocking.

I also officiated at one of the indoor meets at the L.A. Sports Arena, and was filling in as head PV judge for a fellow judge who was sick, when Bubka attempted a new indoor WR. Measuring beforehand for that was quite the challenge. :)
Unfortunately he didn't make it, but he still squashed the competition, even while putting ice packs on his achilles between every attempt. I might be remembering incorrectly, but I seem to remember that what he *did* clear that night was a U.S. all comers record (something the truly hard core keep track of)..

In some ways these memories are even more outstanding than seeing every heat, flight, and final at the '84 Olympics.
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Postby tandfman » Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:09 pm

Randy Treadway wrote:Then there was the Jav WR by a certain American/South African at the Pepsi Meet at UCLA, before many spectators have even arrived.
If I remember right they had balloons across the field marking the current WR, and his implement just kept sailing on and on, right over those balloons, without even popping any of them.

I do remember nice balloons at that meet, now that you mention it. Purple, IIRC.
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Postby mike renfro » Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:36 pm

gh wrote:You're the first person I've heard so far who claims the Włodarczyk mark. Everybody else (me included) was occupied elsewhere.


I was charting the event, and damn near missed it. I only saw the release, none of the spins. It was my 4th PB in the event, and I missed Heidler's Q mark completely. Did see Anna's. In all, I saw 10 marks better than the Moreno which was my old PB.
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby mike renfro » Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:19 pm

Here is my list, updated from about '07 or so.

mike renfro wrote:
Men
100 9.58 WC '09
200 19.19 WC '09
400 43.65 WC '93
800 1:43.00 OG '84
1500 3:30.68 WC '01
3000SC 8:00.43 WC '09
5000 12:52.79 WC '03
10000 26:46.31 WC '09
110H 12.91 WC '93
400H 47.18 WC '93
4x100 37.31 WC '09
4x400 2:54.29 WC '93
HJ 2.40 WC '93
PV 6.05 WC '01
LJ 8.75 OT '88
TJ 17.97 TAC '85
SP 23.10 Jen '90
DT 71.26 TAC '84 (could have = @'85 Jen, didn't
get to the field in time)
HT 83.38 WC '01
JT 92.80 WC '01
Dec 8902 WC '01

Women
100 10.49 OT '88 (okay, my PR is probably 10.61)
200 21.74 WC '87
400 47.99 WC '83
800 1:54.44 W Cup '89
1500 3:57.12 US-Nord '83
3000SC 9:07.32 WC '09
5000 14:45.35 OT '00 (didn't pay enough attn at WC
H '03 to claim =)
10000 30:04.18 WC '03
100H 12.33 OT '00
400H 52.42 WC '09
4x100 41.49 WC '93
4x100 3:16.92 WC '93
HJ 2.09 WC '87
PV 4.92 OT '08
LJ 7.36 WC '87
TJ 15.25 WC '01
SP 21.81 US-DDR '83
DT 73.04 E Cup '89
HT 77.96 WC '09
JT 69.73 WC '01
Hep 7215 OT '88
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Postby gm » Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:49 pm

My updated list:

Men
9.77
19.62
43.44
1:42.80
3:28.37
7:25.54
13:00.77
27:04.20
8:00.67
12.92
47.03
37.40
2:54.29
2.40
6.05
8.70
17.92
22.54
69.72
83.38
92.80/new
8902

Women
10.71
21.85
49.27
1:55.43
3:56.97
8:29.25
14:45.35
30:19.39
9:27.59
12.33
52.74
41.49
3:16.71
2.01
4.92
7.20
15.25
??
68.57
70.78
69.53
7158

The ?? on the women's shot reinforces for me what a joke this event was in the past, with fairytale distances dominating the all-time list. It is hard to find a mark from the 90s, much less after that.
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Postby tandfman » Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:03 am

I've just done my annual update. See the first post on this thread. And yes, I was one of the many who sat there in Berlin watching the finish of the women's 5000 and completely missing the WR in the women's HT.
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Postby westcoasttiger » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:41 pm

gh wrote:

So we're clear, the rules of "seeing it" (at least in my universe) are that while you don't necessarily need to see the initation of the throw/jump, you need to see the takeoff/relase and the landing of the body/implement.

(as a sad PS I'll note that I saw neither, and that was a step down from Moreno's WR at the '05 meet when I only saw the landing)

What about seeing it as I was distracted but still viewing the throw from spin to landing as I was being handed a beer and some food and then not aware of its significance for a minute or so as I was more entranced by the action on the track?
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Postby dl » Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:40 pm

I'll never catch up after missing Beijing and Berlin (although missing the '80's will leave one forever behind in the women's throws...)

9.72
19.62
43.18
1:41.11
2:13.93
3:27.40
3:45.19
4:49.00
7:55.72
7:25.16
12:39.74
26:25.97
12.91 (3 times)
47.03
37.48
2:54.29
2.40
6.05
8.74
18.29
22.54
71.06
84.12
92.80
8902 (didn't see all events)

10.70
21.76
48.89
1:54.01
2:28.98
3:56.74
4:12.56
5:31.52
9:06.57
8:24.51 (en route in 2Mile, 8:24.66 in actual 3000)
14:12.88
30:04.18
12.33
52.61
41.47
3:16.71
2.07
5.01
7.06
15.50
21.22
Discus - Nothing on IAAF all-time performances list down to 67.16!
75.20
71.70
7032 (didn't see all events)
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Postby gh » Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:28 am

westcoasttiger wrote:....
What about seeing it as I was distracted but still viewing the throw from spin to landing as I was being handed a beer and some food and then not aware of its significance for a minute or so as I was more entranced by the action on the track?


I can live with that.
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Postby tandfman » Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:34 am

So can I, but the real question is whether westcoasttiger can. To me, this is a game played primarily for oneself. The object is simply to enhance the enjoyment one can derive from attending track meets. So westcoasttiger can make his own rules--until we make this a competitive sport, he's the only one who has to live with them.
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Postby gh » Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:08 am

dl wrote:I'll never catch up after missing Beijing and Berlin (although missing the '80's will leave one forever behind in the women's throws...).....
7032 (didn't see all events)


There have been many discussions as to what constitutes "seeing" a multi. Unless it's a multi-only meet, it's usually virtually impossible to see everything when there's a whole nother meet going on. For that one I've always accepted being in the stadium for each of the 10 events as good enough, so long as you watch the 100 and 1500.

The best definition, though, is, if Frank Zarnowski is in town and you ask him how it went. :-)
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Postby tandfman » Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:22 am

gh wrote:There have been many discussions as to what constitutes "seeing" a multi. Unless it's a multi-only meet, it's usually virtually impossible to see everything when there's a whole nother meet going on. For that one I've always accepted being in the stadium for each of the 10 events as good enough, so long as you watch the 100 and 1500.

Wow! You're tougher than I am. I've always counted a multi competition if I saw any of it. I think in most of the better ones I've witnessed, I've seen all or most of the events, but I never really keep track of how many or which ones.

Looking back at my PR's, I'm pretty sure I saw all of my Decathlon and Heptathlon outdoor PR performances, and I'm pretty sure I saw all of my indoor men's Hept PR, but probably not my indoor women's Pent PR.
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Postby 7-sided » Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:29 am

A family member is infinitely better; missing only '05 for WC's and every olympics since '84... Anyway, my less impressive "personal views" below.

9.58
19.19
43.44
1:42.58
12:52.79
26:46.31
8:00.43
12.91
46.78
6.02
2.40
8.68
18.09
83.63
69.69
22.03
90.57
8790 (saw every event)
1:17:21 (not every step, but a significant amount and the finish)
3:36:03 (not every step, but a significant amount and the finish)
37.10
2:54.29

10.73
21.72
48.25
1:54.87
3:55.30
29:54.66
8:58.81
12.43
52.42
5.05
2.06
7.49
15.39
20.44
68.40
77.96
71.42
7044
1:26:31 (not every step, but a significant amount and the finish)
41.49
3:16.71
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Postby Pego » Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:45 am

Impressive resume, 7-sided. You omitted men's HJ, PV, SP,D, HT, women's SP, D. I assume, the walks you just ignored.
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Postby 7-sided » Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:30 am

Pego, thanks, I didn't complete the list. By the way, I always end up watching the walks because after all this time...I can never figure out who should not be DQ'd. They all seem to be cheating.
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Postby gh » Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:30 pm

As long as they're all being held to the same standard, then "cheating" isn't really an issue.
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Postby kuha » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:33 pm

gh wrote:As long as they're all being held to the same standard, then "cheating" isn't really an issue.


...perhaps, but then "legitimacy" becomes the overriding issue.
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby Jon » Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:12 am

Time for the annual update...

Men outdoor:
100m - 9.58
200m - 19.19
400m - 43.99
800m - 1:42.91
1500m - 3:30.25
Mile - 3:49.84
3000m - 7:33.54
2 miles - 8:11.16
5000m - 12:46.53
Mar - 2:06:54
3000mSC - 7:59.65
110mH - 13.04
400mH - 47.88
HJ - 2.35
PV - 5.95
LJ - 8.54
TJ - 17.96
SP - 22.45
DT - 69.43
HT - 81.24
JT - 89.59
4x100m - 37.04
4x400m - 2:57.86

Men indoor:
60m - 6.46
200m - 20.53
400m - 45.34
800m - 1:45.69
1000m - 2:14.96
1500m - 3:33.10
2000m - 4:49.99
3000m - 7:32.43
2 Miles - 8:04.35
5000m - 12:49.60
60mH - 7.34
HJ - 2.40
PV - 6.01
LJ - 8.40
TJ - 17.90
SP - 21.83
Hept - 6438
4x400 - 3:03.40

Women outdoor:
100m - 10.73
200m - 22.02
400m - 49.00
800m - 1:55.45
1500m - 4:01.15
3000m - 8:29.55
5000m - 14:37.99
10000m - 29:59.20
Mar - 2:25:15
3000mSC - 9:07.03
100mH - 12.28
400mH - 52.42
HJ - 2.05
PV - 4.91
LJ - 7.10
TJ - 15.25
SP - 21.24
DT - 66.85
HT - 77.96
JT - 71.99
4x100m - 41.56
4x400m - 3:17.83

Women indoor:
60m - 7.00
200m - 22.18
400m - 50.02
800m - 1:57.72
1000m - 2:32.96
1500m - 4:01.67
Mile - 4:23.53
3000m - 8:30.53
60mH - 7.72
HJ - 2.05
PV - 4.90
LJ - 6.98
TJ - 15.36
SP - 20.85
Pent - 4948
4x400 - 3:23.88
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby Daisy » Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:32 am

I'm surprised you haven't broken 13 for the 110.
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby jules » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:23 am

My lists after updated after Daegu.

Men
100 – 9.58
200 – 19.19
400 – 43.18
800 – 1:42.49
1,500 – 3:26.45
Mile-3:46.92
3,000SC – 7:59.94
5,000 – 12:49.28
10,000 – 26:25.97
110H – 12.90
400H – 46.78
4x100 – 37.04
4x400 – 2:54.29
HJ – 2.41
PV – 6.05 (19 10¼)
LJ – 8.95 (29-4½)
TJ – 18.29 (60-¼)
SP – 22.47 (73’8¾)
DT – 71.32
HT - 84.80
JT – 92.80 (304-9)
Decathlon – 8902

Women

100 – 10.49
200 – 21.34
400 – 47.99
800 – 1:53.43
1,500 – 3:53.96
Mile-4:16.71
5,000 – 14:33.65
10,000 – 29:54.66
100H – 12.28
400H – 52.42
4x100 – 41.47
4x400 – 3:15.17
HJ – 2.09 (6-10¼)
PV – 5.05
LJ – 7.40
TJ – 15.50 (50 10¼)
SP – 22.41
DT – 71.99
HT – 77.96
JT – 69.53
Heptathlon – 7291
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby nevetsllim » Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:11 pm

100m – 9.78 Gay
200m – 19.76 Bolt
400m – 44.05 Wariner
800m – 1:42.91 Rudisha
1500m – 3:33.23i Choge
Mile – 3:50.14 Choge
3000m – 7:26.69 Bekele
2 miles – 8:04.35i Bekele
5000m – 13:09.14 Farah, 13:10.60i Farah
Marathon – 2:06:18 Rutto
110mH – 12.93 Merritt
400mH – 47.78 Culson
Steeplechase – 8:17.70 Koech
4x100m – 37.46 Racers Track Club
4x400m – 3:02.33 France

LJ – 8.45m Watt
TJ – 17.75i Idowu
HJ – 2.38m Silnov
PV – 5.97m Lukyanenko and Hooker
SP – 22.43m Hoffa
DT – 67.82m Kanter
JT – 87.38m Thorkildsen
HT – 79.26m Ziolkowski

Indoor
60m – 6.47 Clarke
60mH – 7.41 Robles
Hep – 6371 Clay

100m – 10.87 VCB
200m – 22.19 Felix
400m – 49.66 Richards-Ross
800m – 1:58.45 Okoro
1500m – 3:57.71dq(i) Soboleva
3000m – 8:31.56i Defar
5000m – 14:33.65 Dibaba
Marathon – 2:22:35 Okayo
100mH – 12.53 Pearson
400mH – 52.79 Spencer
Steeplechase – 9:22.49 Chemos
4x100m – 42.39 USA
4x400m – 3:23.77 Russia

LJ – 7.04m Kolchanova
TJ – 15.05i Savigne
HJ – 2.03m Friedrich
PV – 4.93m Isinbayeva
SP – 20.27m Ostapchuk
DT – 65.62m Barrios
JT – 66.74m Obergfoll
HT – 76.24m Lysenko

Indoors
60m – 7.06 A. Williams
60H – 7.75 Kallur
Pentathlon – 4944 Kluft
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby gh » Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:25 pm

Jon wrote:Time for the annual update...

Latest update after Berlin:
....


Do we have to wait two years to see your update after Daegu? :mrgreen:
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby lonewolf » Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:29 pm

I would not think of entering this comparison contest. I have worked a lot of big meets, including some of those listed, but my back is frequently turned to the track and I am concentrating on the LJ/TJ... sometimes I see em on the jumbotron.. does that count?
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby Jon » Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:49 pm

gh wrote:
Jon wrote:Time for the annual update...

Latest update after Berlin:
....


Do we have to wait two years to see your update after Daegu? :mrgreen:

Obviously I was talking about the ISTAF meeting :oops: :lol: :wink:
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby dj » Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:51 pm

lonewolf wrote:I would not think of entering this comparison contest. I have worked a lot of big meets, including some of those listed, but my back is frequently turned to the track and I am concentrating on the LJ/TJ... sometimes I see em on the jumbotron.. does that count?


When you're working at a meet and that's the best way to see something, it counts in my book. At least it does as long as it's live on the video board and not a replay.
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby lonewolf » Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:58 pm

On further review:
I guess my best list is that I have worked competitions with eight of the top ten all time LJers, missing only #8 Saladino and #10 Tsatoumas.
On the other hand, I have only worked three of the top ten women, #2 JJK, #9 Jones and # 20 Reese.
Men TJ, worked six of top 11.
Womens TJ, have to go all the way down to #16 Tricia Smith.
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby tfgeek60 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:19 pm

My first time posting these:

Men
100 9.58
200 19.19
400 45.45
800 1:43.68
1500 3:30.68
mile 3:49.09
5000 12:52.79
10,000 26:25.97
110H 12.90
400H 47.24
ST 8:00.43
4X1 37.04
4X4 2:55.39
MAR 2:06.54
HJ 2.37
PV 6.06
LJ 8.60
TJ 17.98
SP 22.41
DT 70.17
HT 83.89
JT 92.80
DEC 8902

WOMEN
100 10.70
200 21.74
400 48.89
800 1:54.87
1500 3:58.82
MILE 4:17.14
5000 14:24.53
10,000 29:54.66
100H 12.28
400H 52.42
ST 8:58.81
MAR 2:20.57
4X1 41.56
4X4 3:17.83
HJ 2.06
PV 5.05
LJ 7.19
TJ 15.39
SP 21.24
DT 68.57
HT 77.13 (I was one of those who blinked and missed Wlodarczyk's throw)
JT 71.99
HEPT 7032

Doesn't compare to those above with more impressive histories but a its been a lot of fun compiling this list (almost all this century)
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby Athleticsimaging » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:02 pm

tfgeek60 wrote:Doesn't compare to those above with more impressive histories but a its been a lot of fun compiling this list (almost all this century)


Now there's another category for one upmanship for the youngsters! :D
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby donley2 » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:34 am

Yeah, I was thinking (although this goes against the spirit of true elitism) the only way us non globe-trotting types could compete was if there was a US or North America only list. Mine might have looked decent around 1 jan 2002.
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby jules » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:21 pm

nevetsllim wrote:100m – 9.78 Gay
200m – 19.76 Bolt
400m – 44.05 Wariner
800m – 1:42.91 Rudisha
1500m – 3:33.23i Choge
Mile – 3:50.14 Choge
3000m – 7:26.69 Bekele
2 miles – 8:04.35i Bekele
5000m – 13:09.14 Farah, 13:10.60i Farah
Marathon – 2:06:18 Rutto
110mH – 13.04 Robles
400mH – 48.12 Jackson
Steeplechase – 8:17.70 Koech
4x100m – 37.46 Racers Track Club
4x400m – 3:02.33 France

LJ – 8.45m Watt
TJ – 17.75i Idowu
HJ – 2.38m Silnov
PV – 5.97m Lukyanenko and Hooker
SP – 22.43m Hoffa
DT – 67.82m Kanter
JT – 87.38m Thorkildsen
HT – 79.26m Ziolkowski

Indoor
60m – 6.50 Rodgers
60mH – 7.46 Liu Xiang
Hep – 6371 Clay

100m – 10.87 VCB
200m – 22.19 Felix
400m – 49.66 Richards-Ross
800m – 1:58.45 Okoro
1500m – 3:57.71dq(i) Soboleva
3000m – 8:31.94i Burka
5000m – 14:33.65 Dibaba
Marathon – 2:22:35 Okayo
100mH – 12.55 Pearson
400mH – 52.79 Spencer
Steeplechase – 9:22.49 Chemos
4x100m – 42.39 USA
4x400m – 3:23.77 Russia

LJ – 7.04m Kolchanova
TJ – 15.05i Savigne
HJ – 2.03m Friedrich
PV – 4.93m Isinbayeva
SP – 20.27m Ostapchuk
DT – 65.62m Barrios
JT – 66.74m Obergfoll
HT – 76.24m Lysenko

Indoors
60m – 7.06 A. Williams
60H – 7.75 Kallur
Pentathlon – 4944 Kluft


I like the names added.
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby gh » Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:29 pm

just realized I got a women's JT mark in Daegu!
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby PCSExponent » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:38 pm

More importantly- do you add an apostrophe to form plurals of acronyms? I hasten to add I would usually defer to tandfman on grammar, but not in this case.
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby Jon » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:52 am

PCSExponent wrote:do you add an apostrophe to form plurals of acronyms?
No.
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby tandfman » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:20 pm

It's not as clear as all that, Jon. For one thing, this is one of those areas where British and American usage have differed; the standard practice here used to be to include the apostrophe. I don't believe that was ever the case in the UK.

Most style manuals that discuss this question at all say that in the US, the apostrophe was once widely used, but the trend has recently been to omit it. Like most people, I generally write the language as I learned it, although matters of spelling and usage do sometimes change over the years.

In this case, the one style manual that I most respect and refer to when in doubt (Wilson Follett's Modern American Usage) acknowledges the trend mentioned above, but continues to follow the traditional practice of including the apostrophe. That book has not been updated since the 1998 edition. It's possible that if a new edition were published, it would follow the more contemporary practice. But that's speculative.

What's fact is that most of the books on American usage that deal with this issue at all mention the trend, but do not proscribe the traditional usage. Given that the latest edition of Follett still uses the apostrophe, I'm sticking with that. I'll grant that the omission of the apostrophe is not wrong, but the use of the apostrophe isn't wrong either, at least on this side of the pond.
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby richh1948 » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:04 pm

Having looked at this topic for years, this is the first time I've ever posted to it. Due to my lack of attendance in recent years (I could claim only to be the European Inertia champion) my PRs are pretty hopless, except for 2 events which are better than anything anyone has posted - namely 22.63 in the W-SP, and 7.52 in the W-LJ. Other bests are too feeble for me to report.
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