I don't think for a moment that Cordner would have considered himself an historian, other than perhaps having written a definitive work on the history of the mile. He was a hard-core fan who absorbed a ton of stuff over his long lifetime, but the history of the sport wasn't his passion or his calling.
tandfman wrote:Maybe bambam recognized that as a t&f historian (rather than an Olympic historian), Hymans has Mallon beat.
I think bambam is missing something. I'm not certain there's anyone in the U.S. more knowledgeable about 19th century U.S. track than Mallon.
Worldwide 19th century, Dave Terry (GB). Easily the best.
U.S., Hal Bateman.
I know bambam would like to cut back on his day job to write more. If someone would step forward and show me that there is a reasonable living to be made writing t&f history I'd cut back on my day job!
Agree completely with the above comments by dj and gh. To know individual facts is one thing ("trivia"). To be able to make informed judgments about the relative importance of those facts, and to weave them together into a meaningful narrative is something else entirely ("history"). These two ideas are absolutely distinct.
Gordon18 wrote:Avante seems to know his trackandfield history, just pm him.
I do believe I could stump any track historian with a little trivia contest.
trivia and history aren't remotely the same thing
I disagree! All trivia is is a question pertaining to the history of something. Without the historical knowledge there will be no trivia. You wouldn't know what to ask. If I ask who was the first nationally acclaimed sprinter from a HBCU school you will need to know about Tuskegee and Mozelle Ellerbe. Who was the first national caliber sprinter from the SWAC? No not Stone Johnson from Grambling. You better know your history to get this one. Well?
Without historical knowledge you won't do too well in trivia.
Avante wrote: When high school boys can dust world class women.
That's why all college sports are so boring and stupid - the pros can beat them!
Wasn't Ato Boldon still at UCLA when he won his 96 Olympic medals? Didn't Richard Thompson win the NCAA and a World Championships silver in the 100m? College guys have been hanging with the pros for years.
i am interested in the historians. the passing of mr. nelson caused me to think of the people who know the sport and see that value for all of us. trivia and contests of trivia are not the reason i started this thread.