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Best sprinter to never win an Olympic medal?

Postby Avante » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:04 am

Hal Davis?
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Re: Best sprinter to never win an Olympic medal?

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:08 am

Avante wrote:Hal Davis?


We have covered stuff like this a few dozen times.

However, I do believe Steve Williams would have won the Montreal 100, but was injured just before the Trials that year.

Then we have the circa 1980 crowd who got screwed by Carter.
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Re: Best sprinter to never win an Olympic medal?

Postby Avante » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:14 am

Conor Dary wrote:
Avante wrote:Hal Davis?


We have covered stuff like this a few dozen times.

However, I do believe Steve Williams would have won the Montreal 100, but was injured just before the Trials that year.

Then we have the circa 1980 crowd who got screwed by Carter.


I haven't, being a newbie.

I do agree that Williams probably would have won in 76. He was superior to those who did medal.
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Re: Best sprinter to never win an Olympic medal?

Postby dj » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:09 am

Avante wrote:Hal Davis?


Good call.

Also Arthur Duffey in 1900. And Bernie Wefers in 1896.
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Postby Conor Dary » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:18 am

Since we are going that far back, what about Laurence Myers or Harry Hutchins?
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Re: Best sprinter to never win an Olympic medal?

Postby 2 cents » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:26 am

Avante wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:
Avante wrote:Hal Davis?


We have covered stuff like this a few dozen times.


I haven't, being a newbie.


Hahahahahahahahahahahaha....How about them ole blues? Hahahahahahahaha...
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Postby dj » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:41 am

Conor Dary wrote:Since we are going that far back, what about Laurence Myers or Harry Hutchins?


We could, I only went back as far as the first modern Olympics.
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Postby TrackDaddy » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:56 am

An individual medal?

Asafa Powell.

He has 50+ sub 10s (most ever), set a couple of world records and is the 3rd fastest man to ever live.

But no individual Oly medal.

Yet.
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Postby Speedfirst » Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:19 am

TrackDaddy wrote:An individual medal?

Asafa Powell.

He has 50+ sub 10s (most ever), set a couple of world records and is the 3rd fastest man to ever live.

But no individual Oly medal.

Yet.


Hands down, Powell.
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No Gold

Postby bijanc » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:49 am

In individual events, Ottey, and Steve Williams.
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Re: No Gold

Postby STL_Runner » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:46 pm

bijanc wrote:In individual events, Ottey, and Steve Williams.

Ottey has plenty of medals.
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Postby STL_Runner » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:48 pm

TrackDaddy wrote:An individual medal?

Asafa Powell.

He has 50+ sub 10s (most ever), set a couple of world records and is the 3rd fastest man to ever live.

But no individual Oly medal.

Yet.

That pretty much ends this thread for the men's discussion. Other recent stars who never won an Olympic medal include Leroy Burrell and Bruny Surin. Oh yeah, and Tyson Gay.
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Postby Speedfirst » Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:22 pm

Let's see....Tyson been in 1 Olympics and wasn't100% in that one. But he still qualifies for not having a medal, question is, is he the best not to have gotten one?
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Postby cladthin » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:51 pm

Ray Norton.
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Postby gh » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:17 am

Speedfirst wrote:
TrackDaddy wrote:An individual medal?

Asafa Powell.

He has 50+ sub 10s (most ever), set a couple of world records and is the 3rd fastest man to ever live.

But no individual Oly medal.

Yet.


Hands down, Powell.


Hands down, not Powell. He's the fastest sprinter not to win a medal but certainly not the best. If he were the best he would have won one by now. He had his chance(s) and failed; the other candidates were all kept from the Olympics by variety of circumstances beyond their control.
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Postby Conor Dary » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:51 am

gh wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:
TrackDaddy wrote:An individual medal?

Asafa Powell.

He has 50+ sub 10s (most ever), set a couple of world records and is the 3rd fastest man to ever live.

But no individual Oly medal.

Yet.


Hands down, Powell.


Hands down, not Powell. He's the fastest sprinter not to win a medal but certainly not the best. If he were the best he would have won one by now. He had his chance(s) and failed; the other candidates were all kept from the Olympics by variety of circumstances beyond their control.


Absolutely, gh. Powell had his chance and blew it.
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Postby Marlow » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:58 am

dj wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:Since we are going that far back, what about Laurence Myers or Harry Hutchins?

We could, I only went back as far as the first modern Olympics.

Why stop there? I know that in 776BC, Sprinticules was ROBBED!!
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Postby SQUACKEE » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:00 am

Conor Dary wrote:
gh wrote:Absolutely, gh. Powell had his chance and blew it.


I agree, a brillant and insightful observation.
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Postby Speedfirst » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:01 am

gh wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:
TrackDaddy wrote:An individual medal?

Asafa Powell.

He has 50+ sub 10s (most ever), set a couple of world records and is the 3rd fastest man to ever live.

But no individual Oly medal.

Yet.


Hands down, Powell.


Hands down, not Powell. He's the fastest sprinter not to win a medal but certainly not the best. If he were the best he would have won one by now. He had his chance(s) and failed; the other candidates were all kept from the Olympics by variety of circumstances beyond their control.


gh...the question isn't who was kept from the Olympics, that's another question and thread all by itself.

Please explain how Powell is not only the fastest but best as well. Simply put up his resume against the others who have failed to win an individual medal.
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Postby gh » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:25 am

The fastest/highest/farthest aren't always the "best."

The best are those who prove themselves to be so by winning in the face of the toughest competition. Big marks can be aided by the weather and other favorable factors. Being the best requires that you can step when it's all on the line.

Powell has no trouble with the former, major trouble with the latter, unfortunately.
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Postby Conor Dary » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:27 am

Speedfirst wrote:
gh wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:
TrackDaddy wrote:An individual medal?

Asafa Powell.

He has 50+ sub 10s (most ever), set a couple of world records and is the 3rd fastest man to ever live.

But no individual Oly medal.

Yet.


Hands down, Powell.


Hands down, not Powell. He's the fastest sprinter not to win a medal but certainly not the best. If he were the best he would have won one by now. He had his chance(s) and failed; the other candidates were all kept from the Olympics by variety of circumstances beyond their control.


gh...the question isn't who was kept from the Olympics, that's another question and thread all by itself.

Please explain how Powell is not only the fastest but best as well. Simply put up his resume against the others who have failed to win an individual medal.


Because track is not just a serious of time trials. Being the best is also competing and winning when it counts.

Steve Williams was one who won when it counted and also ran fast. He was unfortunate to get injured just before the Trials in 76.

Meanwhile Powell was fifth twice in the Olympics.
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Postby DecFan » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:28 am

Speedfirst wrote:
Please explain how Powell is not only the fastest but best as well. Simply put up his resume against the others who have failed to win an individual medal.


Powell was the best 100m runner in the world in 2006, not in any other year. Any sprinter who was the best 100m runner in the world for two years or more and never won an Olympic medal would be ahead of him on this list.
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Postby Speedfirst » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:58 am

Conor Dary wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:
gh wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:
TrackDaddy wrote:An individual medal?

Asafa Powell.

He has 50+ sub 10s (most ever), set a couple of world records and is the 3rd fastest man to ever live.

But no individual Oly medal.

Yet.


Hands down, Powell.


Hands down, not Powell. He's the fastest sprinter not to win a medal but certainly not the best. If he were the best he would have won one by now. He had his chance(s) and failed; the other candidates were all kept from the Olympics by variety of circumstances beyond their control.


gh...the question isn't who was kept from the Olympics, that's another question and thread all by itself.

Please explain how Powell is not only the fastest but best as well. Simply put up his resume against the others who have failed to win an individual medal.


Because track is not just a serious of time trials. Being the best is also competing and winning when it counts.

Steve Williams was one who won when it counted and also ran fast. He was unfortunate to get injured just before the Trials in 76.

Meanwhile Powell was fifth twice in the Olympics.


Again you guys are adding qualifiers to the thread and that's not what the thread is about. So I guess now your opinion is Wiliams was better than Asafa and Asafa never won anything?
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Postby Speedfirst » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:59 am

DecFan wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:
Please explain how Powell is not only the fastest but best as well. Simply put up his resume against the others who have failed to win an individual medal.


Powell was the best 100m runner in the world in 2006, not in any other year. Any sprinter who was the best 100m runner in the world for two years or more and never won an Olympic medal would be ahead of him on this list.


Not what the thread states, put those runners you're referring to resume up against Asafa.
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Postby TrackDaddy » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:07 am

Speedfirst wrote:
gh wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:
TrackDaddy wrote:An individual medal?

Asafa Powell.

He has 50+ sub 10s (most ever), set a couple of world records and is the 3rd fastest man to ever live.

But no individual Oly medal.

Yet.


Hands down, Powell.


Hands down, not Powell. He's the fastest sprinter not to win a medal but certainly not the best. If he were the best he would have won one by now. He had his chance(s) and failed; the other candidates were all kept from the Olympics by variety of circumstances beyond their control.


gh...the question isn't who was kept from the Olympics, that's another question and thread all by itself.

Please explain how Powell is not only the fastest but best as well. Simply put up his resume against the others who have failed to win an individual medal.


Exactly.

The thread question asked who's the best to never win an Olympic medal.

So how can someone claim in the same thread that someone is disqualified because "if they were the best they would have won one by now?!?!"

If Powell or anyone actually wins an Oly Medal then arent they then disqualified from being in the thread?

And Squackee agreed...hmmm that's got agenda written all over it...LOL!

Asafa Powell.
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Postby DecFan » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:08 am

Speedfirst wrote:
DecFan wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:

Not what the thread states, put those runners you're referring to resume up against Asafa.


Speedfirst: "The title of the thread means whatever I say it means. And it means that only the person who has run the fastest times and not won an Olympic medal can be the answer to the question."

By that definition, you are right! Amazing!

But resumes do indeed include something other than fast times. And Asafa simply doesn't measure up on these other criteria. IMHO, and in the HO of many other on this board, if someone is the best sprinter in the world for two different years, his resume is stronger than Asafa's.
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Postby TrackDaddy » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:13 am

Conor Dary wrote:Because track is not just a serious of time trials. Being the best is also competing and winning when it counts.


Meanwhile Powell was fifth twice in the Olympics.


LOL!

You say "being the best is also winning when it counts."?

Newsflash: If you do that, you're not in this thread to begin with. ;-)

That Powell was fifth in the Olympics twice is the point exactly.
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Postby TrackDaddy » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:27 am

DecFan wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:
DecFan wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:

Not what the thread states, put those runners you're referring to resume up against Asafa.


Speedfirst: "The title of the thread means whatever I say it means. And it means that only the person who has run the fastest times and not won an Olympic medal can be the answer to the question."

By that definition, you are right! Amazing!

But resumes do indeed include something other than fast times. And Asafa simply doesn't measure up on these other criteria. IMHO, and in the HO of many other on this board, if someone is the best sprinter in the world for two different years, his resume is stronger than Asafa's.


Um...Asafa wasn't just the best sprinter in the world in 2006, he was the World Athlete of the Year. And 2006 isnt the only season he's competed effectively which is a relative question related to the thread, IMO.

You can discount fast times if you like, but Powell isn't just known for a fast time.

He re-wrote the rules to the game. Sub 10 was the goal in regard to times before he took over.

And when discussing Bolt the only thing that mattered to Squackee was Bolt's fast times. Isnt that what he and Speedfirst were debating about Bolt/Lewis?

It appears that someone has switched philosophies...lol.

Being fast doesnt make someone the best anymore? That flip was practically done overnight...lol
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Postby Speedfirst » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:28 am

DecFan wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:
DecFan wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:

Not what the thread states, put those runners you're referring to resume up against Asafa.


Speedfirst: "The title of the thread means whatever I say it means. And it means that only the person who has run the fastest times and not won an Olympic medal can be the answer to the question."

By that definition, you are right! Amazing!

But resumes do indeed include something other than fast times. And Asafa simply doesn't measure up on these other criteria. IMHO, and in the HO of many other on this board, if someone is the best sprinter in the world for two different years, his resume is stronger than Asafa's.


Hahaha...oh really, I think you mean you can slant the title anyway you wanna.

By the way are you saying Asafa hasn't run the fastest times and not won an individual medal. Over 50 sub 10's a couple of world records and Asafa doesn't match up...Wow
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Postby bad hammy » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:13 am

Why are you guys wasting all of our time running on about Asafa here? It is a moot point - Gay is demonstrably better than Powell and also lacks Olympic hardware.
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Postby Speedfirst » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:45 am

bad hammy wrote:Why are you guys wasting all of our time running on about Asafa here? It is a moot point - Gay is demonstrably better than Powell and also lacks Olympic hardware.


Your opinion, especially as it relates to this thread, so we'll kindly continue, now you can decide not to.
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Postby STL_Runner » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:49 am

Speedfirst wrote:
bad hammy wrote:Why are you guys wasting all of our time running on about Asafa here? It is a moot point - Gay is demonstrably better than Powell and also lacks Olympic hardware.


Your opinion, especially as it relates to this thread, so we'll kindly continue, now you can decide not to.

Of course it's his opinion. That's what this thread is about! Why do insist on making posts like this on so many different threads?

Can we PLEASE get an Ignore feature on this site?
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Postby Speedfirst » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:55 am

STL_Runner wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:
bad hammy wrote:Why are you guys wasting all of our time running on about Asafa here? It is a moot point - Gay is demonstrably better than Powell and also lacks Olympic hardware.


Your opinion, especially as it relates to this thread, so we'll kindly continue, now you can decide not to.

Of course it's his opinion. That's what this thread is about! Why do insist on making posts like this on so many different threads?

Can we PLEASE get an Ignore feature on this site?


No it's not simply about opinions, you try to come off as if your crap doesn't stink.

P.S. you have an ignore button, it's called keep it moving.... to the left to the left, exit even.....don't let the door knob hit you, where the good Lord split you...LOL
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Re: Best sprinter to never win an Olympic medal?

Postby John G » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:55 am

Conor Dary wrote:
Avante wrote:Hal Davis?


We have covered stuff like this a few dozen times.

However, I do believe Steve Williams would have won the Montreal 100, but was injured just before the Trials that year.

Then we have the circa 1980 crowd who got screwed by Carter.


When did Williams produce a performance better than Crawford and Quarrie in Montreal? He ran plenty of electronically timed 100s in Europe in 74- 77 and his fastest was 10.08 (+1.1) in Zurich .......... behind Riddick.
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Postby STL_Runner » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:56 am

STL_Runner wrote:
TrackDaddy wrote:An individual medal?

Asafa Powell.

He has 50+ sub 10s (most ever), set a couple of world records and is the 3rd fastest man to ever live.

But no individual Oly medal.

Yet.

That pretty much ends this thread for the men's discussion. Other recent stars who never won an Olympic medal include Leroy Burrell and Bruny Surin. Oh yeah, and Tyson Gay.

I'm going to update my answer after considering the new points that gh and TrackDaddy have made. I think the answer is Tyson Gay instead of Asafa Powell. When not considering the Olympics, Tyson is better. He has more and better hardware from the World Championships, a faster PR, and a positive record against Powell. I don't really care how many more sub-10s Asafa has.
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Postby TrackDaddy » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:40 pm

STL_Runner wrote:
STL_Runner wrote:
TrackDaddy wrote:An individual medal?

Asafa Powell.

He has 50+ sub 10s (most ever), set a couple of world records and is the 3rd fastest man to ever live.

But no individual Oly medal.

Yet.

That pretty much ends this thread for the men's discussion. Other recent stars who never won an Olympic medal include Leroy Burrell and Bruny Surin. Oh yeah, and Tyson Gay.

I'm going to update my answer after considering the new points that gh and TrackDaddy have made. I think the answer is Tyson Gay instead of Asafa Powell. When not considering the Olympics, Tyson is better. He has more and better hardware from the World Championships, a faster PR, and a positive record against Powell. I don't really care how many more sub-10s Asafa has.


Wishy washy...lol.

And what do you mean "when not considering the Olympics"?

Given the thread title and its implications...how can you disregard them?

Both Gay and Powell have run in the Olympics and Powell has performed better. For WHATEVER reason, including injury. So, on that stage, Powell has been better and is the BEST of the two ;-) , although neither has a medal.

I can agree that Gay is a legitimate argument though.
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Postby STL_Runner » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:52 pm

TrackDaddy wrote:Wishy washy...lol.

And what do you mean "when not considering the Olympics"?

Given the thread title and its implications...how can you disregard them?

Both Gay and Powell have run in the Olympics and Powell has performed better. For WHATEVER reason, including injury. So, on that stage, Powell has been better and is the BEST of the two ;-) , although neither has a medal.

I can agree that Gay is a legitimate argument though.

I'm not considering the Olympics partly to make the comparison easier, and also because it helps my case! When comparing them in the Olympics, it basically comes down to injuries versus choking. If Powell doesn't choke, he wins a medal, and isn't in the discussion. If Gay isn't injured, he wins a medal, and isn't in the discussion. Keeping their performance in the Olympics out of the equation just makes everything easier.

Even with considering the Olympics, I think there is a case to be made for Gay over Powell. As mentioned above, he has more hardware, better hardware, a better PR, and a positive record against Powell. Yes, Powell was AOY and has more sub-50s, but I don't think that can make up for what Gay has done. Also, we're considering the best sprinter, and comparing Gay to Powell over 200 meters is a very short discussion.
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Postby Speedfirst » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:37 am

Here's the difference between Tyson and Asafa with respect to this discussion, Tyson has been in only 1 Olympics and wasn't 100%.

Asafa has had more opportunities to obtain his individual medal.
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Postby BisonHurdler » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:37 am

Speedfirst wrote:
Again you guys are adding qualifiers to the thread and that's not what the thread is about. So I guess now your opinion is Wiliams was better than Asafa and Asafa never won anything?



Your fundamental lack of understanding and inability to see beyond your own preconceived definition of one word (and simultaneous ability to completely ignore others' preconceived definition of one word) make it entirely futile to even engage in this discussion with you at any meaningful level.
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