Mikewats wrote:I reckon if she hadn't messed up jam trials in 08 she would of got silver in 100 and gold in the 200(which she obviously did). I think the only reason she didn't do so well this year is because of injuries and doubling isn't such a big deal
exactly
the assertion bandied about that she can't/shoudn't double up is nonsense
she ran 10.88/21.94 in '08 trials - that's the best double since inger miller 9y before ( excluding marion )
no one in their right minds woud have thought that 10.88 woudn't get her into top 3 in trials - she musta been shocked as anyone that it didn't make top 3 let alone win, considering best time by any other jama at low-altitude prior to trials was a 10.96 by kerron
if she'd been in peking 100, i think she wouda won that as well as the 200 - see the ridiculous 11+ she ran end of season with something astounding like a 0.5s rt - iirc that was a 10.69 with a good rt of 0.13s
At the end of the day and with further rational thinking, in 2011 there can always be Kerron Stewart, Shelly Ann, Sherone Simpson, Aneisha McLaughlin (PRed twice in making and finshing 5th in the final: naturally progressing), a rebounded Simone Fcaey to beat in the 200m after contending the 100m.
As texas rightly corrected me, we cannot use the 30y Bahas as a proxy due to contrasting field a 29y VCB will face.
This certainly becomes an increased load than she has ever faced going into a Natl trials (and indicates that a 21.94 or better might be required to guarantee a spot), and thereby consolidates the fact that she will have to double peak for 2011 if she wishes to contend a double.
Question is; will she put herself in a 10.75/21.92 form come 2011 to be done in ja. and replicated in Daegu?
DentyCracker wrote:If not for the toe injury, VCB medals in 100m this year and forces Allyson to PR if she wants to win. VCB should continue to double as long as she is able to do her full programme of training. If for any reason training is curtailed, she should drop one of them. What VCB needs to complete her sprinting is to become a consistently good starter. Athens 2004 showed me that.
Speaking of Allyson, one thing that concerns me is her lack of significant improvement in the 200. She ran 22.11 in 2003 (as a junior). After 6 years her best is 21.83 which is an improvement of .30 seconds. Perhaps she will cut loose before the season is over. Until she significantly lowers her 200m time, VCB will remain a constant threat to beat her not to mention any other women who might develope in the event. In the 90's the event had Merlene, Gwen, and presumably a clean Marion, and (maybe even Inger on occasion) who would have struck terror in the best of this decade. I certainly thought Allyson would have progressed a little more than she has to date. My fingers remain crossed.
jpaule wrote: Speaking of Allyson, one thing that concerns me is her lack of significant improvement in the 200. She ran 22.11 in 2003 (as a junior). After 6 years her best is 21.83 which is an improvement of .30 seconds. Perhaps she will cut loose before the season is over. Until she significantly lowers her 200m time, VCB will remain a constant threat to beat her not to mention any other women who might develope in the event. In the 90's the event had Merlene, Gwen, and presumably a clean Marion, and (maybe even Inger on occasion) who would have struck terror in the best of this decade. I certainly thought Allyson would have progressed a little more than she has to date. My fingers remain crossed.
jp, I think Kersee is a great coach.
However, I've never understood why he seems to wait until the end of the season for Allyson to run a 200m.
I think her first 200 last year came at trials and I'm not sure this year but I do know she didn't run very many early.
Personally I believe her pr would be lower if she ran it early and often as she could tweak the weak parts of her race.
As it is she seems to run relays, 100s, and 400s early in the season more than she does her marquee event.
She's been very successful but I believe if you want to lower your pr in an event, you run it early and often.
eldrick wrote:you are clearly clueless about ability of a multiple global champ to reproduce gp ability in a champs
learn from history
Oh really? I'm clueless about history?
Beyond FloJo , Marion and Kelli (for obvious reasons) , please share this history of women winning double gold in the 100/200 in global championships.
No need for me to request brevity since IF FACTUAL, you'll be forced to do so; however, you're more likely to post more nonsensical jibberish related to something else.
Certainly VCB deserves to be commended for her double efforts thus far. I mean gold/bronze efforts in Athens and gold/silver in Osaka puts her in primo company thats for sure.
But in the last couple of years the dynamics of the events have changed dramatically. Her competition makes a double victory impractical to anticipate if not to even attempt. That is without jeopardizing greatly her chances of winning either.
TrackDaddy wrote:eldrick, you're quite a character.
Knock it off.
excuse me ?
i'm afraid your simpleton homiles aren't adequate
You said...
Oh really? I'm clueless about history?
Beyond FloJo , Marion and Kelli (for obvious reasons) , please share this history of women winning double gold in the 100/200 in global championships.
yes you are
add in
fanny majorie betty wilma renate krabbe
No need for me to request brevity since IF FACTUAL, you'll be forced to do so; however, you're more likely to post more nonsensical jibberish related to something else.
i'm afraid that's your speciality...
But in the last couple of years the dynamics of the events have changed dramatically. Her competition makes a double victory impractical to anticipate if not to even attempt. That is without jeopardizing greatly her chances of winning either.
no
21.74 puts her in another league to 200 gals
11.01 off 0.50+ puts her potentially in another league to 10.7 gals
at her best, she has nothing to fear at either distance
TrackDaddy wrote:eldrick, you're quite a character.
Knock it off.
excuse me ?
i'm afraid your simpleton homiles aren't adequate
You said...
Oh really? I'm clueless about history?
Beyond FloJo , Marion and Kelli (for obvious reasons) , please share this history of women winning double gold in the 100/200 in global championships.
yes you are
add in
fanny majorie betty wilma renate krabbe
No need for me to request brevity since IF FACTUAL, you'll be forced to do so; however, you're more likely to post more nonsensical jibberish related to something else.
i'm afraid that's your speciality...
But in the last couple of years the dynamics of the events have changed dramatically. Her competition makes a double victory impractical to anticipate if not to even attempt. That is without jeopardizing greatly her chances of winning either.
no
21.74 puts her in another league to 200 gals
11.01 off 0.50+ puts her potentially in another league to 10.7 gals
at her best, she has nothing to fear at either distance
jpaule wrote:Speaking of Allyson, one thing that concerns me is her lack of significant improvement in the 200. She ran 22.11 in 2003 (as a junior). After 6 years her best is 21.83 which is an improvement of .30 seconds. Perhaps she will cut loose before the season is over. Until she significantly lowers her 200m time, VCB will remain a constant threat to beat her not to mention any other women who might develope in the event. In the 90's the event had Merlene, Gwen, and presumably a clean Marion, and (maybe even Inger on occasion) who would have struck terror in the best of this decade. I certainly thought Allyson would have progressed a little more than she has to date. My fingers remain crossed.
A few factual errors in this post. First, she ran 22.11 as a senior. Second, the 22.11 was a 22.11A. Her fastest non-altitude time that year was 22.51 and it was run after the 22.11A. Third, her PB is 21.81 and not 21.83. Personally, I prefer the progression I see in Felix. It all seems very natural!
jpaule wrote:Speaking of Allyson, one thing that concerns me is her lack of significant improvement in the 200. She ran 22.11 in 2003 (as a junior). After 6 years her best is 21.83 which is an improvement of .30 seconds. Perhaps she will cut loose before the season is over. Until she significantly lowers her 200m time, VCB will remain a constant threat to beat her not to mention any other women who might develope in the event. In the 90's the event had Merlene, Gwen, and presumably a clean Marion, and (maybe even Inger on occasion) who would have struck terror in the best of this decade. I certainly thought Allyson would have progressed a little more than she has to date. My fingers remain crossed.
A few factual errors in this post. First, she ran 22.11 as a senior. Second, the 22.11 was a 22.11A. Her fastest non-altitude time that year was 22.51 and it was run after the 22.11A. Third, her PB is 21.81 and not 21.83. Personally, I prefer the progression I see in Felix. It all seems very natural!
Meant Junior as age group not high school which was a Junior WR. Thanks for correction on 200 PB.
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It's clear what obtains between certain posters and yourself, If its that they have had subscriptions to your magazine since the year of Christ or they are a part of fraternal circles I don't know but don't come acting like a purist piece of shit.
I can't believe you endorse this rubbish behavior and call yourself a respected editor. SO CURRUPT!!!!!! Paul Henry wants none of this so Fuck You Again, you can't edit the power of the internet!!!!!
He who pays the piper calls the tunes Garry Hill, and I know that. So Fuck You and don't tell me how to act.
It's clear what obtains between certain posters and yourself, If its that they have had subscriptions to your magazine since the year of Christ or they are a part of fraternal circles I don't know but don't come acting like a purist piece of shit.
I can't believe you endorse this rubbish behavior and call yourself a respected editor. SO CURRUPT!!!!!! Paul Henry wants none of this so Fuck You Again, you can't edit the power of the internet!!!!!
DentyCracker wrote:If not for the toe injury, VCB medals in 100m this year and forces Allyson to PR if she wants to win. VCB should continue to double as long as she is able to do her full programme of training. If for any reason training is curtailed, she should drop one of them. What VCB needs to complete her sprinting is to become a consistently good starter. Athens 2004 showed me that.
Speaking of Allyson, one thing that concerns me is her lack of significant improvement in the 200. She ran 22.11 in 2003 (as a junior).
That 22.11 was at Mexico City (cannot remember the wind). It is not worth anything close to that mark at sea level. The calculators give a conversion but they seem conservative to me.
DentyCracker wrote:If not for the toe injury, VCB medals in 100m this year and forces Allyson to PR if she wants to win. VCB should continue to double as long as she is able to do her full programme of training. If for any reason training is curtailed, she should drop one of them. What VCB needs to complete her sprinting is to become a consistently good starter. Athens 2004 showed me that.
Speaking of Allyson, one thing that concerns me is her lack of significant improvement in the 200. She ran 22.11 in 2003 (as a junior).
That 22.11 was at Mexico City (cannot remember the wind). It is not worth anything close to that mark at sea level. The calculators give a conversion but they seem conservative to me.
DentyCracker wrote:If not for the toe injury, VCB medals in 100m this year and forces Allyson to PR if she wants to win. VCB should continue to double as long as she is able to do her full programme of training. If for any reason training is curtailed, she should drop one of them. What VCB needs to complete her sprinting is to become a consistently good starter. Athens 2004 showed me that.
Speaking of Allyson, one thing that concerns me is her lack of significant improvement in the 200. She ran 22.11 in 2003 (as a junior). After 6 years her best is 21.83 which is an improvement of .30 seconds. Perhaps she will cut loose before the season is over. Until she significantly lowers her 200m time, VCB will remain a constant threat to beat her not to mention any other women who might develope in the event. In the 90's the event had Merlene, Gwen, and presumably a clean Marion, and (maybe even Inger on occasion) who would have struck terror in the best of this decade. I certainly thought Allyson would have progressed a little more than she has to date. My fingers remain crossed.
I agree totally. I thought that by now, she would be running 21.6 or 21.5.
DentyCracker wrote:If not for the toe injury, VCB medals in 100m this year and forces Allyson to PR if she wants to win. VCB should continue to double as long as she is able to do her full programme of training. If for any reason training is curtailed, she should drop one of them. What VCB needs to complete her sprinting is to become a consistently good starter. Athens 2004 showed me that.
Speaking of Allyson, one thing that concerns me is her lack of significant improvement in the 200. She ran 22.11 in 2003 (as a junior). After 6 years her best is 21.83 which is an improvement of .30 seconds. Perhaps she will cut loose before the season is over. Until she significantly lowers her 200m time, VCB will remain a constant threat to beat her not to mention any other women who might develope in the event. In the 90's the event had Merlene, Gwen, and presumably a clean Marion, and (maybe even Inger on occasion) who would have struck terror in the best of this decade. I certainly thought Allyson would have progressed a little more than she has to date. My fingers remain crossed.
I agree totally. I thought that by now, she would be running 21.6 or 21.5.[/quote
Based on the fantastic splits she has run in both the 4X100r and the 4X400r, 21.5 or 21.6 definitely looks within her capability. ]
DentyCracker wrote:If not for the toe injury, VCB medals in 100m this year and forces Allyson to PR if she wants to win. VCB should continue to double as long as she is able to do her full programme of training. If for any reason training is curtailed, she should drop one of them. What VCB needs to complete her sprinting is to become a consistently good starter. Athens 2004 showed me that.
Speaking of Allyson, one thing that concerns me is her lack of significant improvement in the 200. She ran 22.11 in 2003 (as a junior). After 6 years her best is 21.83 which is an improvement of .30 seconds. Perhaps she will cut loose before the season is over. Until she significantly lowers her 200m time, VCB will remain a constant threat to beat her not to mention any other women who might develope in the event. In the 90's the event had Merlene, Gwen, and presumably a clean Marion, and (maybe even Inger on occasion) who would have struck terror in the best of this decade. I certainly thought Allyson would have progressed a little more than she has to date. My fingers remain crossed.
I agree totally. I thought that by now, she would be running 21.6 or 21.5.
Looking at the conditions in Berlin and how the rounds were run, she was on pace to be around 21.6. Consider this as well, the majority of Allysons career has not been under Bobby, she'll hit that mid 21 mark.
