Our (R & D & ...?) Politicians - good . bad . ugly?


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Our (R & D & ...?) Politicians - good . bad . ugly?

Postby no one » Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:43 am

Having 'grown up' in the 60s and 70s (stopped growing then) I was swept up in the belief/conviction that politicians were .... well you know - not the defenders of truth justice and the american way. As I pointed out in another thread - I prob a bit more politically informed than your average donkey ... or maybe elephant - but prob asbout your ave American - which aint sayin much. But I did have a healthy condescending attitude about politicans - and still somewhat today. Years have mellowed me.

I did have a very interesting 'experience' in grad school. I had a prof who had served time in Washington DC as an aide to Eliot Richardson - during the Watergate era.

This prof started out the class - the first day and asked something like "what do you think about when I say the word politician?" Predictably my response was ... He went on to say that many politicians are decent honorable well intended and genuine people. In fact he said most were. He also said that a portion were corrupted before they came to DC and a portion became corrupted while there. But for the most part ..

I didn't know a heckuva lot about Eliot R but I did some homework - and at least in one circumstance he was a stand-up guy - in the face of a huge political juggernaut.

So , my question is, does the average TFN message board participant believe politics to be a huge ego trip unfettered by any controls self imposed or otherwise, or is there a belief that there are other Eliot Richardsons roaming around in the halls of ...
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Postby Marlow » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:06 pm

I actually became good friends with Tom Carper, the former governor of and now US Senator from Delaware. I have never met a nicer, more-level-headed GOOD person in my life.
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Postby lonewolf » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:25 pm

I have known a couple of governors, a few Senators and several Representatives. The all talk a good game and most actually did as they promised. Some have been extreme disappointments.
I am not too embarassed by Oklahoma Senators and Congressmen, and I suppose this is true all over since some of these dummies keep getting re-elected, but my impression of the collective legislative branch is unfavorable.. graft, corruption, rampant pork , unbelievably ignorant/stupid proposals.. :evil:
The only solution I see is to make me Benevolent Dictator for Life :D
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Postby Marlow » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:49 pm

lonewolf wrote:The only solution I see is to make me Benevolent Dictator for Life :D

Having met you, let me say, we could do lots worse! :twisted:

If you want to see an extremely incompetent public servant, read up on Corrine Brown, a US Representative for N Fla.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrine_Brown

Of course, no one can ever top DC's ex-mayor (and whoring cocaine addict) Marion Barry.
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Postby lonewolf » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:46 pm

Marlow wrote:
lonewolf wrote:The only solution I see is to make me Benevolent Dictator for Life :D

Having met you, let me say, we could do lots worse! :twisted: .


While I decide whether that is a reverse semi-endorsement or damning with faint praise, may I say, Marlow, that you are proving to be a fairly reliable movie critic and will be under serious consideration for the Cabinet position of Movie Czar in my administration.. :)
A position not to be scoffed at. brw; it carries an unlimited allowance for theatre tickets, Pepsi and Ding Dongs... and popcorn on High Holidays..
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Postby Marlow » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:31 am

lonewolf wrote:
Marlow wrote:
lonewolf wrote:The only solution I see is to make me Benevolent Dictator for Life :D

Having met you, let me say, we could do lots worse! :twisted: .

While I decide whether that is a reverse semi-endorsement or damning with faint praise, may I say, Marlow, that you are proving to be a fairly reliable movie critic and will be under serious consideration for the Cabinet position of Movie Czar in my administration.. :) A position not to be scoffed at. brw; it carries an unlimited allowance for theatre tickets, Pepsi and Ding Dongs... and popcorn on High Holidays..

Lonewolf For BDfL!!!!
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Postby no one » Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:23 am

a coincidence ???

I looked at the obituaries in the paper this am (I do that at my age) and saw a pic and blurb about the professor I was referring to re: politicians and integrity etc. There I see him as passing away a week ago.

A true renaissance man - he'd been all over the world in various capacities and at all levels of socio-economic strata. Thought it odd as I don't think about him unless 'politicans' and their 'worth' are brought up.

Things that make you think "ummmmm"
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Postby gm » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:07 pm

The late J.J. "Jake" Pickle was a good and decent man who served in the House for 32 years.
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Postby Pego » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:35 pm

lonewolfe wrote:The only solution I see is to make me Benevolent Dictator for Life


My wife also claims the title (I am not so sure about the benevolent part, though). So, pistols at dawn?
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Postby lonewolf » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:53 pm

Pego wrote:
lonewolfe wrote:The only solution I see is to make me Benevolent Dictator for Life


My wife also claims the title (I am not so sure about the benevolent part, though). So, pistols at dawn?


Bow and arrows at dusk. Or, to be safer, lances at 300 feet.
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