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Sarah Palin

Postby no one » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:43 am

I'm not a sophisticated or even exceptionally politically well informed person. Probably more informed however than your average "Joe Plummer". I did daily watch and read about the recent Presidential election. I could not believe what I saw/hear/read about the qualifications and then her 'performance'of Sarah Palin. She failed (IMHO) at every turn. In my estimation she was painfully out of her league - even at venues far below the national level.

And I thought Tina Fey was more than kind in what would normally be a hey day for the SNL group and other pundit regulars. So my question is - "Was that what I thought it was?" - a sad sad commentary on the condition of our political 'teams'. AND it was also painful to watch how people in her own party 'reach' for ways to support her and what they were witnessing.

I was continually amazed at how inept things were - and now I hear that some think she has a lot of 'potential'. Palin and "Presidential Candidate" are actually being spoken of in the same sentence. Or she may be the 'spokesperson for the republican party" -ouch.

I really have no ax to grind with Sarah Palin the person but that whole deal just jumped out .... woe is me and the USofA if this is what waits for our country.
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Postby no one » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:48 am

cringe is the word
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Daisy » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:50 am

no one wrote:Palin and "Presidential Candidate" are actually being spoken of in the same sentence.

Clearly she does represent the views of the right, but I agree her performance has been very weak. I still wonder what would have happened if McCain had gone with Pawlenty as a running mate.

Is it possible that the right will stick with Palin and splinter from the republicans that rally around Pawlenty and Powell?
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Postby Marlow » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:57 am

Palin was a puzzle to me from the get-go. I sincerely thought McCain had a death-wish, politically speaking. But lots of people did end up voting his ticket. Were they just praying he wouldn't die in office, or was it just a case of closing one's eyes and voting Rep no matter what? ?
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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:05 am

I would guess the people who are attracked to Palin feel she is a breath of fresh air, they see politcians as suit and tie wearing stiffs who are cardboard fake.
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Postby gm » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:07 am

Get real. Most of the people bleating about Palin's qualifications/performance/etc. had no intention of voting for the ticket in the first place. And it's not like her VP opponent has covered himself in glory.
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Postby Marlow » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:08 am

SQUACKEE wrote:I would guess the people who are attracked to Palin feel she is a breath of fresh air, they see politcians as suit and tie wearing stiffs who are cardboard fake.

Ah yes, the cool breeze from Alaska strategy. I doubt THAT will be tried again!
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Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:14 am

There is a regular poster on this board, who shall remain nameless, who actually said to me in a pm that Palin was more qualified to be President than Obama and John Kerry. :!: :shock:
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Postby Marlow » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:16 am

jazzcyclist wrote:There is a regular poster on this board, who shall remain nameless, who actually said to me in a pm that Palin was more qualified to be President than Obama and John Kerry. :!: :shock:

LONEWOLF, you rascal, you!! :D
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Postby Jack Slocombe » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:17 am

The Republicans have moved so far to the right that even I left the party and registered as an independent.
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Postby TrackDaddy » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:29 am

North Korean politics aside...she's quite pretty.

Got the attractive bespectacled librarian thing working.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:46 am

gm wrote:Get real. Most of the people bleating about Palin's qualifications/performance/etc. had no intention of voting for the ticket in the first place. And it's not like her VP opponent has covered himself in glory.

That's total b.s. There were a number of prominent conservatives for whom Sarah Palin was the deal-breaker.
Kathleen Parker wrote: Palin's recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I've been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I've also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

David Brooks wrote:[Sarah Palin] represents a fatal cancer to the Republican party. When I first started in journalism, I worked at the National Review for Bill Buckley. And Buckley famously said he'd rather be ruled by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone book than by the Harvard faculty. But he didn't think those were the only two options. He thought it was important to have people on the conservative side who celebrated ideas, who celebrated learning. And his whole life was based on that, and that was also true for a lot of the other conservatives in the Reagan era. Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices.

Even fellow Bible-thumper Pat Robertson didn't think she was ready. When you're a Christian fundamentalist, right-wing, anti-abortion, pro-death penalty, pro-gun, anti-science politician, and you can't win over Pat Robertson, you've got problems.
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Postby TrackDaddy » Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:16 pm

She's quitting as governor..

Wow.
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Postby no one » Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:18 pm

gm -

not a smackdown here ... at least not intended on my part

did you really, I mean genuinely, believe that Palin was (or even is) a reasonable pick/choice for VP? Take away partisan line. I really just cannot picture. And I don't ever vote party lines anyway - but thats a dif post.

I couldn't "get it", I guess, but it was surreal - I really remain at a loss for adequately describing my 'incredulity'. Still am. If the political (party) machines see that as ... well ....

But - you really thought she was a good candidate? Help me understand as I am more than befuddled. Yep I said that - befuddled.
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Postby gh » Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:22 pm

I know two generally apolitical women who hadn't registered to vote in 20-odd years and both did last year, both because they said, "I couldn't live with myself if that woman were elected to national office."
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Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:37 pm

gh wrote:I know two generally apolitical women who hadn't registered to vote in 20-odd years and both did last year, both because they said, "I couldn't live with myself if that woman were elected to national office."

I predicted last year that women would come to view Sarah Palin the same way Blacks view Clarence Thomas. I get the feeling that Hispanics feel the same way about Alberto Gonzales. What Republicans have to learn is that you can't choose any woman, Black or Hispanic to expand your base. Your have to pick someone that members or those groups can be proud of.
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Postby gm » Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:38 pm

no one -- I didn't vote for either of the generally useless top tickets. It just bores me to tears that people harp on Palin and make it seem like she was Satan incarnate.

Heck, I wouldn't want either of those bowl-floaters on top of the D or R ticket near my house or family, but I'm not going to go on and on and on about it. I voted, my guy lost by about 59 million votes, there will be another chance in four years.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:59 pm

TrackDaddy wrote:She's quitting as governor..

Wow.

I can't wait for the other shoe to drop, and you know it will.
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Postby Marlow » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:10 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
TrackDaddy wrote:She's quitting as governor..
Wow.

I can't wait for the other shoe to drop, and you know it will.

Wow - talk about not being able to stand the heat (understandable for an Alaskan, I guess); we start a thread criticizing her and she QUITS! :P

There are rumors floating around that Sarah Palin wants to move to the lower 48 states in order to further her political aspirations, but as of now those are just rumors.


What aspirations? She must know she's a political liability by now!

gm wrote: It just bores me to tears that people harp on Palin and make it seem like she was Satan incarnate.

NObody thinks she's Satan - that's giving her way too much credit.
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Postby gm » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:19 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
gh wrote:I know two generally apolitical women who hadn't registered to vote in 20-odd years and both did last year, both because they said, "I couldn't live with myself if that woman were elected to national office."

I predicted last year that women would come to view Sarah Palin the same way Blacks view Clarence Thomas. I get the feeling that Hispanics feel the same way about Alberto Gonzales. What Republicans have to learn is that you can't choose any woman, Black or Hispanic to expand your base. Your have to pick someone that members or those groups can be proud of.


That is one of the most unintentionally hilarious things I have ever read, man.
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Postby dakota » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:32 pm

So can anybody understand a single word she said in that incoherent speech? Totally bonkers.
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Postby BisonHurdler » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:57 pm

Marlow wrote: or was it just a case of closing one's eyes and voting Rep no matter what? ?



I'm fairly certain that's how 90+% of the voting population does it (and likewise for Dem voters and their candidates).
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Postby no one » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:58 pm

this is sorta kinda what I think (partially) - I think Sarah Palin is probably a decent well meaning and perhaps hard working governor/individual (there really is no way for me to know). I think she somehow 'found herself" in a pretty headsy situation and if I had to bet - she thought she was wayyyy over her head. Sometimes the writing on the wall is there to begin with.

There was just too much stuff to absorb understand, then put it out there. Cramming for finals wasn't the answer (again , my 'hunch' - I've had those "oops" moments where I just couldn't fake it at all) - Once the die was cast McCain couldn't turn back and I bet behind close doors he asked himself "Gheez, what have I wrought?", to which his campaign people thought "Yep, what have you wrought", then soldiered up and marched on in the valley of political death.

t the end of the day I think Palin was shell shocked and couldn't believe how brutal the political (campaign) arena can be. - not Satan or not 'bad' but like one of my daughters in the men's 100 meters - any mens 100. Someone said something about wolves and sheep and .... Fast but in the wrong race.

I think Palin was just in an untenable, no win situation and was essentially thrown to the wolves. I felt bad for her and sorry for us and as Marty Liquori announced "What is El Guerrouj thinking?" akin to "What was McCain thinking?" El Guerrouj recovered as we all know.

What I continue to marvel(?) at is the huge huge huge mistake so called seasoned Washington insiders made, and I think it was colored with the proudly advertised "Maverick" label. So I stand with no ax to grind just my head shakin and shakin ... shakin all over. but not in that 60s way :shock: :wink:
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Postby bad hammy » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:11 pm

Marlow wrote:
gm wrote: It just bores me to tears that people harp on Palin and make it seem like she was Satan incarnate.

NObody thinks she's Satan - that's giving her way too much credit.

Correct. Satan has ruled an entire kingdom for quite some time, and apparently quite competently.

Competency is the rub with Palin: lots of folks have her general political outlook, but was she really the most competent VP candidate that McCain had available? Really??

And while Bush II created a new base level for a President or Vice President to competently handle, say, your average interview or news conference, Palin is a step or two below him.
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Postby gm » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:20 pm

Yes, I absolutely make my voting decisions on who is the smoothest talker.
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Postby lonewolf » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:20 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:There is a regular poster on this board, who shall remain nameless, who actually said to me in a pm that Palin was more qualified to be President than Obama and John Kerry. :!: :shock:


I don't know who Jazzcyclist is referring to but I will up the ante. ANYONE on this board is more qualified to be President of the United States and would do less damage than Barach Hussein Obama.
There, I said it. No smiley.
Gee, that felt good :)
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Postby dal4018 » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:21 pm

TrackDaddy wrote:She's quitting as governor..

Wow.
Yes saw it today its all over the news left her some traveling music courtesy of the late Ray Charles a song about Jack leaving.
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Postby dal4018 » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:22 pm

lonewolf wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:There is a regular poster on this board, who shall remain nameless, who actually said to me in a pm that Palin was more qualified to be President than Obama and John Kerry. :!: :shock:


I don't know who Jazzcyclist is referring to but I will up the ante. ANYONE on this board is more qualified to be President of the United States and would do less damage than Barach Hussein Obama.
There, I said it. No smiley.
His first name is spelled Barack
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Postby bad hammy » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:22 pm

gm wrote:Yes, I absolutely make my voting decisions on who is the smoothest talker.

All things being equal I prefer a President who does not sound like a moron, but that may be just me.
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Postby bad hammy » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:26 pm

lonewolf wrote:I don't know who Jazzcyclist is referring to but I will up the ante. ANYONE on this board is more qualified to be President of the United States and would do less damage than Barach Hussein Obama.
There, I said it. No smiley.
Gee, that felt good :)

That may have felt good, but it shows that you have a distinct inability to judge the qualifications for President. I mean, have you actually read some of the stuff posted around here?? :lol:
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Postby Marlow » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:27 pm

lonewolf wrote:ANYONE on this board is more qualified to be President of the United States and would do less damage than Barach (sic) Hussein Obama.

C'mon, ya gotta admit, he's better than SOME of us! :wink:
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Postby lonewolf » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:35 pm

Marlow wrote: C'mon, ya gotta admit, he's better than SOME of us! :wink:

Nope, I was not a McCain enthusiast and I don't care how you spell his name, electing Obama will prove to be the biggest political/financial disaster in this country's history, or future if it has one.
No smiley..
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Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:35 pm

lonewolf wrote:ANYONE on this board is more qualified to be President of the United States and would do less damage than Barach Hussein Obama.
There, I said it. No smiley.
Gee, that felt good :)

:lol: :lol: :lol: You're funny man!Image
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Postby dal4018 » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:52 pm

TrackDaddy wrote:She's quitting as governor..

Wow.
AND ITS THE GOP THAT'S KICKING IN THE BUTT ON HER WAY OUT!!!!!!!!! YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE THE OPPOSITE
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Postby dal4018 » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:54 pm

lonewolf wrote:
Marlow wrote: C'mon, ya gotta admit, he's better than SOME of us! :wink:

Nope, I was not a McCain enthusiast and I don't care how you spell his name, electing Obama will prove to be the biggest political/financial disaster in this country's history, or future if it has one.
No smiley..
Who would have been your choice since you didn't vote for McCain and you don't approve of the current Commander-n-Chief?
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Postby lonewolf » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:11 pm

America screwed up royally by not electing Mitt Romney. The MSM influenced the Republican nomination of McCain because he was the weakest/worst possible Republican candidate.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Brian » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:18 pm

Daisy wrote:[I still wonder what would have happened if McCain had gone with Pawlenty as a running mate.



That would never have happened. Pawlenty is seen by the Right as the future while McCain has always represented a moderate (i.e., troublesome!) past.

Electability is everything in modern politcs. Doing their homework, the GOP concluded (perhaps incorrectly) that there was slim chance of defeating either a black man or a woman (the foreseen Dem candidates) and so--as they did with Bob Dole against incumbent Bill Clinton; incumbents are rarely removed from office if the economy is doing okay and never if we are threatened internationally--the GOP ran a "throwaway candidate." Had MCain won, the party would have pressured him to toe the line, but if he lost, no big deal; the end of the line for a sometimes-thorn in the bigwigs' sides.

But Pawlenty? No way was the party going to saddle this young, handsome up-and-comer with a "loser's tag" by running him with McCain.


Speaking of Pawlenty: The Minnesota gov was recently quoted as saying South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford's adultery has nothing to do with politics and shouldn't be viewed as such.

Excuse me? Timmy, don't you remember, according to your party, Bill Clinton's personal peccadillo was a sign of a character flaw that was going to cause the downfall of all civilized society...? What happened to those "family values"--?


And the political hypocrisy goes on...
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Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:29 pm

I'm wondering if any of the Palin defenders have had the opportunity to hear her defend her foreign policy credentials, interpret the Bush Doctrine, or defend John McCain's vote for the mailout package. If not, perhaps that explains a lot.
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Postby Pego » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:35 pm

Sarah Palin has been the least qualified VP candidate since Dan Quayle. Not a Satan, just an incompetent ideologue. Any attempt to justify her qualifications is no more than a political spin.
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