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This cat is a mamajama; he is a killer. He'll run over you, he'll kick your ass. But as an individual for social change, or any of that kind of shit? Terrible. Terrible.
This cat is a mamajama; he is a killer. He'll run over you, he'll kick your ass. But as an individual for social change, or any of that kind of shit? Terrible. Terrible.
Jim had far too many full-head helmet hits. Simply being the best in his sport is a very significant agent for change. Same for Obama, on a slightly larger (but not by much) scale.
This cat is a mamajama; he is a killer. He'll run over you, he'll kick your ass. But as an individual for social change, or any of that kind of shit? Terrible. Terrible.
Jim had far too many full-head helmet hits. Simply being the best in his sport is a very significant agent for change. Same for Obama, on a slightly larger (but not by much) scale.
I disagree with your take when it comes to Obama. I don't think anyone should ever run for president if they don't have deeply held moral principles for which they're willing to risk not only a second term, but impeachment as well. I think the last president we had like that was Lyndon Johnson. IMO, very, very, very much is expected out the person who has been granted the greatest powers in the history of mankind.
This cat is a mamajama; he is a killer. He'll run over you, he'll kick your ass. But as an individual for social change, or any of that kind of shit? Terrible. Terrible.
TrackDaddy wrote:Can you see him back in the 50s trying to explain to a bus driver in Selma that he wasnt black?
"But you dont understand....I'm cablasian"
This reminds me of the question that Malcolm X once posed to a highly-educated, intellectual Black man. TD, what's gotten into you? You didn't stir things up like this at TrackShark.
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TrackDaddy wrote:Tiger didnt feel as though he was black because of his mixed race heritage.
Consequently it seems he once didnt feel he owed anything to those who came before him and desegregated the game.
I'd like to know when that was. I've been following Tiger since he was winning his first US amateur title at age 18. He has always been a student of the game of golf and its entire history. At his early appearances at the Masters he spoke of his gratitude to the minority pioneers of golf, like Charlie Sifford and Lee Elder.
Who was it that said, "To whom much is given, much is expected"?
I love the Robin Williams take on "Tiger". Paraphrasing, it was something like, "African-American athletic ability, and Buddhist concentration - what crazy German geneticist came up with that"? I'll re-watch the video later, and come up with the exact phrase, but it was typically brilliant...
TrackDaddy wrote:Can you see him back in the 50s trying to explain to a bus driver in Selma that he wasnt black?
"But you dont understand....I'm cablasian"
This reminds me of the question that Malcolm X once posed to a highly-educated, intellectual Black man. TD, what's gotten into you? You didn't stir things up like this at TrackShark.
TrackDaddy wrote:Tiger didnt feel as though he was black because of his mixed race heritage.
Consequently it seems he once didnt feel he owed anything to those who came before him and desegregated the game.
I'd like to know when that was. I've been following Tiger since he was winning his first US amateur title at age 18. He has always been a student of the game of golf and its entire history. At his early appearances at the Masters he spoke of his gratitude to the minority pioneers of golf, like Charlie Sifford and Lee Elder.
Who was it that said, "To whom much is given, much is expected"?
I thought Gandalf said that.
You mean when did he say he wasnt black?
On a episode of Oprah, I believe. The rest of my response said that it SEEMED like he was saying that he didnt owe anything to those he followed. At least thats the way many people took it.
Luke 12:48 (New International Version)
48But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
TrackDaddy wrote:From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. -Jesus
BillVol wrote:TD, you are the most politically incorrect poster on here. But being black, you can get away with it.
So TD is the Charles Barkley of T&FN?
TD is one of the best on here. Race is such a touchy subject. I wish we could do away with it. I remember an interview with Billy Graham in which he was asked what one thing would he change about the world if he could. He said, "Race." He wished that different races could be eliminated and that we all could be one race, since different races are so divisive. Amen to that.
But we are stuck with having different races and different cultures. One of the best classes I had at UT was Black Literature (prolly called African-American Literature now). The great Langston Hughes (A Dream Deferred) and W.E.B. DuBois, graduate of our own Fisk University. This was a great class with a great prof, a drop-dead gorgeous black lady who graduated from Harvard. I always loved it when I could take a class from a Harvard grad at little ole UT. Anyhow, these days, I think how much it would mean to a black high schooler to be able to read the great works of the great black writers. But they aren't going to read them if they are bussed to a white school.
This is too complex of a subject and is probably going to get me banned.
BillVol wrote:This is too complex of a subject and is probably going to get me banned.
Nothing you wrote deserves a ban.
You're right that it is complex. I'd say that the perception of race is one issue but if you take it away people will find another way to establish a pecking order. By the way, biologists have already taken it away.
BillVol wrote:TD is one of the best on here. Race is such a touchy subject. I wish we could do away with it. I remember an interview with Billy Graham in which he was asked what one thing would he change about the world if he could. He said, "Race." He wished that different races could be eliminated and that we all could be one race, since different races are so divisive. Amen to that.
How convenient for Billy Graham not to mention religion. As I've pointed out on other threads, racism is a relatively new form of bigotry when compared to the hatred and evil that religion has caused. Think about it. Up until 500 years ago, everyone on the planet lived their whole lives without ever meeting someone of a different race. Even after the European powers started to conquer and colonize the world, the number of people who met other races was still very small for the first hundred years or so. In order for racism to thrive, there must be more than one race present. Today, the world is just one big neighborhood, but remember that it hasn't been like this for very long.
jazzcyclist wrote::lol: This reminds me of the question that Malcolm X once posed to a highly-educated, intellectual Black man. TD, what's gotten into you? You didn't stir things up like this at TrackShark.
Oh from time to time I did.
Un----der----state----ment
So....Jim doesn't think the Tigers Woods Foundation, Learning Center and Tiger Jam count for anything?
jazzcyclist wrote::lol: This reminds me of the question that Malcolm X once posed to a highly-educated, intellectual Black man. TD, what's gotten into you? You didn't stir things up like this at TrackShark.
Oh from time to time I did.
Un----der----state----ment
So....Jim doesn't think the Tigers Woods Foundation, Learning Center and Tiger Jam count for anything?
BillVol wrote:TD, you are the most politically incorrect poster on here. But being black, you can get away with it.
So TD is the Charles Barkley of T&FN?
TD is one of the best on here. Race is such a touchy subject. I wish we could do away with it. I remember an interview with Billy Graham in which he was asked what one thing would he change about the world if he could. He said, "Race." He wished that different races could be eliminated and that we all could be one race, since different races are so divisive. Amen to that.
But we are stuck with having different races and different cultures. One of the best classes I had at UT was Black Literature (prolly called African-American Literature now). The great Langston Hughes (A Dream Deferred) and W.E.B. DuBois, graduate of our own Fisk University. This was a great class with a great prof, a drop-dead gorgeous black lady who graduated from Harvard. I always loved it when I could take a class from a Harvard grad at little ole UT. Anyhow, these days, I think how much it would mean to a black high schooler to be able to read the great works of the great black writers. But they aren't going to read them if they are bussed to a white school.
This is too complex of a subject and is probably going to get me banned.
I have a different take than Billy G. The various cultures and races add flavor to life. I love BBQ, but if I pick up an orange I don't want to taste a spare rib. If anything could and should be changed it's our attitudes about these differences.
When you are a Black man, and you have no opinion on Jesse Helms's fitness to represent your state as a U.S. Senator, a la Michael Jordan, or you have no opinion on whether or not it's appropriate for the Confederate flag to fly over state capitols and other government buildings, a la Tiger Woods, you've got problems.
jazzcyclist wrote:When you are a Black man, and you have no opinion on Jesse Helms's fitness to represent your state as a U.S. Senator, a la Michael Jordan, or you have no opinion on whether or not it's appropriate for the Confederate flag to fly over state capitols and other government buildings, a la Tiger Woods, you've got problems.
I can see that. I also see Tiger as a gifted super star from age 3? On the Mike Douglas show.Talented, likeable, loving parents, Stanford, super rich golf god. I predicted and said to friends, Tiger will marry a Swedish Model, and he did.
This cat is a mamajama; he is a killer. He'll run over you, he'll kick your ass. But as an individual for social change, or any of that kind of shit? Terrible. Terrible.
Who was it that said, "To whom much is given, much is expected"?
Brown was right to call him out he must have forgotten that comment from Fuzzy Zoeller about him eating fried chicken and his personal experiences as a child being tied to a tree by some neighborhood kids being pelted with racial insults along with dirt and gravel.
Tiger is a great guy and a great golfer, Jim Brown is a great man, Let Jim Brown be Jim Brown, let Tiger Woods be Tiger...
dal4018 wrote:.. must have forgotten that comment from Fuzzy Zoeller about him eating fried chicken and his personal experiences as a child being tied to a tree by some neighborhood kids being pelted with racial insults along with dirt and gravel.
..it is also possible that Tiger is very much familiar with kids other than blacks, being treated like that by kids, other than whites.
Every high profile black man or woman, will not and is not going to take the same stance as a Jim Brown or Ali. The social climate isn't the same as it was in the 50's and 60's when Jim was in his hey day. This is not to say that everthing today is peachy cream, because it's not.
But again because Tiger or Mike, aren't making front page headlines about issuse Jim Brown feels they should be making front page headlines about, doesn't mean they have not contributed to the cause or a cause.
paulthefan wrote:Tiger is a great guy and a great golfer, Jim Brown is a great man, Let Jim Brown be Jim Brown, let Tiger Woods be Tiger...
dal4018 wrote:.. must have forgotten that comment from Fuzzy Zoeller about him eating fried chicken and his personal experiences as a child being tied to a tree by some neighborhood kids being pelted with racial insults along with dirt and gravel.
..it is also possible that Tiger is very much familiar with kids other than blacks, being treated like that by kids, other than whites.
paul
I dont think dal said that only white kids did that to him. As you indicated, hate comes in all colors. I could certainly see black kids teasing him because of his asian heritage. I'm not saying they did, just that I wouldn't be surprised.
The message isnt black vs white, its right vs wrong.
Being a high profile athlete of color, Tiger either feels obligated to speak about certain things or he doesnt.
And Jim Brown has a right to his opinion, but obviously Mike and Tiger dont share it.
Fact is, if they did share his opinion, they wouldnt be nearly as rich and successful outside of the playing field as they are.
Imagine Tiger driving up to the country club in his Big ass new Buick and he and Micheal Jordan jump out wearing Hanes underwear and the first thing they say is......"BLACK POWER BABY!"
SQUACKEE wrote:Imagine Tiger driving up to the country club in his Big ass new Buick and he and Micheal Jordan jump out wearing Hanes underwear and the first thing they say is......"BLACK POWER BABY!"
Meh....Jim Brown has certainly been outspoken, that's true enough, but he hasn't exactly been a model citizen. I'd take my "tongue lashing" from someone else before him if I were Tiger.
scottmitchell74 wrote:Meh....Jim Brown has certainly been outspoken, that's true enough, but he hasn't exactly been a model citizen. I'd take my "tongue lashing" from someone else before him if I were Tiger.
I agree.
I wouldnt totally disregard Jim, but he's had a few bumps.
SQUACKEE wrote:Imagine Tiger driving up to the country club in his Big ass new Buick and he and Micheal Jordan jump out wearing Hanes underwear and the first thing they say is......"BLACK POWER BABY!"
SQUACKEE wrote:Imagine Tiger driving up to the country club in his Big ass new Buick and he and Micheal Jordan jump out wearing Hanes underwear and the first thing they say is......"BLACK POWER BABY!"
TrackDaddy wrote:And Jim Brown has a right to his opinion, but obviously Mike and Tiger dont share it.
Fact is, if they did share his opinion, they wouldnt be nearly as rich and successful outside of the playing field as they are.
Jason Whitlock (agrees with paulthefan on Ali) had it right:
"Jim Brown is the most important athlete in American history. Everything we foolishly credit Muhammad Ali for standing for Jim Brown actually did and does. The reverence we shower on the self-serving, draft-dodging, Joe Frazier-is-a-monkey Muhammad Ali more appropriately belongs at Jim Brown's feet."
Jim Brown is a great man, his Amer-I-can program is a stroke of genius wrapped in moral clarity. He did more for man than more than a few civil rights con artists ever did. Nevertheless some of the misanthropy that comes from his mouth is surprising, he can almost sound like a spoiled brat with a jealous streak. I dont like his hat either.
