Obama's speech in Cairo


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Obama's speech in Cairo

Postby Blues » Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:59 am

First of all, greetings to all of the previous Trackshark posters, since this is my first post here even though it isn't track related... Hope all are well.. And hello to all Track and Field News posters too...

Just watched Obama's speech from Cairo live.. Although there wasn't time for him to discuss certain specific policies, what he said, and the way that he said it, made me proud that he's representing my country. and that he was my candidate of choice.. His philosophies seem so much closer to those of my own compared to the previous administration... Other opinions on his speech in Egypt involving US-Islam relations?
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Re: Obama's speech in Cairo

Postby SQUACKEE » Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:44 am

Blues wrote:First of all, greetings to all of the previous Trackshark posters, since this is my first post here even though it isn't track related... Hope all are well..

Just watched Obama's speech from Cairo live.. Although there wasn't time for him to discuss certain specific policies, what he said, and the way that he said it, made me proud that he's representing my country. and that he was my candidate of choice.. His philosophies seem so much closer to those of my own compared to the previous administration... Other opinions on his speech in Egypt involving US-Islam relations?


Welcome to this board Blues! A very important speech indeed. I hope it does what its designed to do. I will check it out tonite. I dont agree with everything Obama does but he's my President and i wish him well.
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Re: Obama's speech in Cairo

Postby TrackDaddy » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:07 am

Blues wrote:First of all, greetings to all of the previous Trackshark posters, since this is my first post here even though it isn't track related... Hope all are well..

Just watched Obama's speech from Cairo live.. Although there wasn't time for him to discuss certain specific policies, what he said, and the way that he said it, made me proud that he's representing my country. and that he was my candidate of choice.. His philosophies seem so much closer to those of my own compared to the previous administration... Other opinions on his speech in Egypt involving US-Islam relations?


Sup Blues.

Welcome, friend. :D

I missed the speech in its entirety but I've caught a few excerpts.

I'm sure you've heard this...Bin Laden has legitimate concerns that Obama will positively influence Islamic sentiment toward the US and his security and recruiting efforts will be threatened.

Something I predicted when he was elected.
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Re: Obama's speech in Cairo

Postby jazzcyclist » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:28 am

TrackDaddy wrote:I'm sure you've heard this...Bin Laden has legitimate concerns that Obama will positively influence Islamic sentiment toward the US and his security and recruiting efforts will be threatened.

Something I predicted when he was elected.

I've always believed that the best way to defeat terrorism is not by killing them all, but by undermining the ability of the terrorist leaders to recruit.
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Re: Obama's speech in Cairo

Postby SQUACKEE » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:12 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
TrackDaddy wrote:I'm sure you've heard this...Bin Laden has legitimate concerns that Obama will positively influence Islamic sentiment toward the US and his security and recruiting efforts will be threatened.

Something I predicted when he was elected.

I've always believed that the best way to defeat terrorism is not by killing them all, but by undermining the ability of the terrorist leaders to recruit.


I agree that would be ideal. Unfortunatley I must add that the dudes who throw acid into the faces of young girls for going to school in Afganistan should be eliminated.
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Re: Obama's speech in Cairo

Postby jazzcyclist » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:56 am

SQUACKEE wrote:I agree that would be ideal. Unfortunatley I must add that the dudes who throw acid into the faces of young girls for going to school in Afganistan should be eliminated.

Amen! It should be pointed out that not all terrorists are freedom fighters. The goal of some terrorists (abortion clinic bombers, KKK, etc.) is to deny freedom to other people. In a democratic society, there are ways of changing policies you disagree with short of violence. For example, if the pro-life John McCain had won the election, then it would be him replacing David Souter and not Obama. And in theory, the pro-lifers would then have the necessary votes to overturn Roe-vs Wade. Or going back a little further, you can say that pro-lifers have themselves to blame by not demanding that Bush 41 vetted David Souter properly before he was put on the court.
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Re: Obama's speech in Cairo

Postby dal4018 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:13 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
SQUACKEE wrote:I agree that would be ideal. Unfortunatley I must add that the dudes who throw acid into the faces of young girls for going to school in Afganistan should be eliminated.

Amen! It should be pointed out that not all terrorists are freedom fighters. The goal of some terrorists (abortion clinic bombers, KKK, etc.) is to deny freedom to other people. In a democratic society, there are ways of changing policies you disagree with short of violence. For example, if the pro-life John McCain had won the election, then it would be him replacing David Souter and not Obama. And in theory, the pro-lifers would then have the necessary votes to overturn Roe-vs Wade. Or going back a little further, you can say that pro-lifers have themselves to blame by not demanding that Bush 41 vetted David Souter properly before he was put on the court.
Thanks jazzcyclist not all terrorists are freedom fighters I hope this statement from "Mighty Mouse" puts even more heat on our "friends" from zionville.
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Postby BillVol » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:10 pm

Great speech. The best I've ever seen from a US president in my lifetime.

I don't know if Obama is the "real deal" or is just a product of great speech writers and media people. But I have the feeling he is the real deal.
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Postby odelltrclan » Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:02 pm

If by meaning "real deal" you have a president who is going to usher in socialism, then, you are probably right.

The article below was written by Stanislav Mishin, a blogger and columnist for the Russian newspaper Pravda.

American capitalism gone with a whimper . . . . .

It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

...

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-0/

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Postby deca-pat » Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:29 pm

it is the domestic policy speeches that I worry about.
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Postby TrackDaddy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:06 am

odelltrclan wrote:If by meaning "real deal" you have a president who is going to usher in socialism, then, you are probably right.


Is it ushering in socialism or...

The stifling of self-destructive, unregulated, brazen and contemptible capitalist greed?

Greed that has lead us into an era of selfishness as opposed to selflessness where we're all defined by our net worth and many cant afford to pay their bills? Where others in position of power live excessive lifestyles at the expense of those they've deceived?

Regulate? God forbid!

Is not one's love as an investment in his fellow man not worth much more?

Once you have more than you can use...then what? You want even more? I have food in my house that will be thrown away and rooms that we don't use.

What will it profit a man to gain the whole world, but lose his own soul?

Oh wretched man that I am, who will save me from this body of death?

I'm just saying. :D
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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:25 am

Great speech! Impressive.
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Postby Daisy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:30 am

TrackDaddy wrote:Is it ushering in socialism or...

As the republicans redefined the word liberal they have now done it for socialism.
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Postby mcgato » Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:39 am

I didn't think free speech day was until next month.
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Postby odelltrclan » Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:48 am

Daisy wrote:
TrackDaddy wrote:Is it ushering in socialism or...

As the republicans redefined the word liberal they have now done it for socialism.


Are you kidding? Who better than to comment on a socialist than someone who was reared in that system? Its time to open our eyes and view the events unfolding in front of our eyes as they really are.
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Postby TrackDaddy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:14 am

odelltrclan wrote:
Daisy wrote:
TrackDaddy wrote:Is it ushering in socialism or...

As the republicans redefined the word liberal they have now done it for socialism.


Are you kidding? Who better than to comment on a socialist than someone who was reared in that system? Its time to open our eyes and view the events unfolding in front of our eyes as they really are.


I agree.

The stifling of self-destructive, unregulated, brazen and contemptible capitalist greed.
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Postby bad hammy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:34 am

Great speech.

Thanks, odelltrclan, for souring a perfectly fine thread.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:34 am

How times of changed? A year ago, Obama would not have been caught dead in a Mosque. Now he's spoken at one of the most Sacred Mosques in the heart of the Muslim world and Arabs have adopted him as one of their own, and have even given him the name Abu Hussein as a sign of honor.
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Postby Daisy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:59 am

odelltrclan wrote:Who better than to comment on a socialist than someone who was reared in that system?

Are you talking about yourself or the republicans?
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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:19 am

bad hammy wrote:Great speech.

Thanks, odelltrclan, for souring a perfectly fine thread.


It's a shame American's on both sides of the isle can't celebrate Obama's attempt to connect with the hundreds of millions of moderate Muslims without politics.
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Postby bad hammy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:24 am

SQUACKEE wrote:
bad hammy wrote:Great speech.

Thanks, odelltrclan, for souring a perfectly fine thread.


It's a shame American's on both sides of the isle can't celebrate Obama's attempt to connect with the hundreds of millions of moderate Muslims without politics.

Well I understand. After all it is hard to ignore that fact that Obama is a communist appeasing covert-Muslim foreign-born surrender apologist . . . .

:roll:
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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:34 am

bad hammy wrote:
SQUACKEE wrote:
bad hammy wrote:Great speech.

Thanks, odelltrclan, for souring a perfectly fine thread.


It's a shame American's on both sides of the isle can't celebrate Obama's attempt to connect with the hundreds of millions of moderate Muslims without politics.

Well I understand. After all it is hard to ignore that fact that Obama is a communist appeasing covert-Muslim foreign-born surrender apologist . . . .

:roll:


Yes, it is hard, you forgot black man. :P
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Postby gm » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:45 am

BillVol wrote:Great speech. The best I've ever seen from a US president in my lifetime.


What are you, 12 years old?
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Postby lonewolf » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:31 am

I can't hold it till free speech month. :x
Am I the only person here who is not enchanted by Obama and is alarmed by his politcs or is it I am the only one not afraid to dissent?
Apparently praising Obama is not politcal but criticizing him is???? :?
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Postby bad hammy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:33 am

lonewolf wrote:Am I the only person here who is not enchanted by Obama and is alarmed by his politcs or is it I am the only one not afraid to dissent?

Yes, but feel free to stick around anyways!

:P
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Postby Daisy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:36 am

lonewolf wrote:Apparently praising Obama is not politcal but criticizing him is???? :?

I think criticism is perfectly valid, his presidency is hardly error free (politics as usual in that regard). Using charged words to paint an inaccurate picture gets old though.
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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:45 am

lonewolf wrote:I can't hold it till free speech month. :x
Am I the only person here who is not enchanted by Obama and is alarmed by his politcs or is it I am the only one not afraid to dissent?
Apparently praising Obama is not politcal but criticizing him is???? :?


I think we were only commenting of his speech and not his first 5 months. I thought his speech was very good. He said somethings Muslims wanted to hear but he also said some things they didnt want to hear. Overall i thought it was great. Have you heard the speech?
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Postby TrackDaddy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:23 am

lonewolf wrote:I can't hold it till free speech month. :x
Am I the only person here who is not enchanted by Obama and is alarmed by his politcs or is it I am the only one not afraid to dissent?Apparently praising Obama is not politcal but criticizing him is???? :?


Did you miss odelltrclan's posts above?

Although I dont believe he addressed Obama's speech.

What did you dislike about the speech, LW?
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Postby dal4018 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:12 am

I watched the "Rachel Maddows" Show yesterday and I think Obama should have stated that no one is doubting the Holocaust took place just that ppl want an accurate count of how many died at the hands of Hitler.Ppl are starting to doubt the historical figure of 6 million.
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Postby Pego » Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:16 am

dal4018 wrote:I watched the "Rachel Maddows" Show yesterday and I think Obama should have stated that no one is doubting the Holocaust took place just that ppl want an accurate count of how many died at the hands of Hitler.Ppl are starting to doubt the historical figure of 6 million.


What's "ppl"?
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Postby Daisy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:34 am

Followers of David Irving, I presume.
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Postby dal4018 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:12 am

Pego wrote:
dal4018 wrote:I watched the "Rachel Maddows" Show yesterday and I think Obama should have stated that no one is doubting the Holocaust took place just that ppl want an accurate count of how many died at the hands of Hitler.Ppl are starting to doubt the historical figure of 6 million.


What's "ppl"?
People and Obama should have mentioned the Nabka to let the world know the plight of the Arabs and Palestinians everyone knows about the jews and the holocaust but not enough of the world knows about the Nabka and the effects that it has on the aformentioned Arabs and Palestine.
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Postby dal4018 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:27 am

Daisy wrote:Followers of David Irving, I presume.
No Daisy me personally I follow Richard Williams the Catholic priest when it comes to the Holocaust he doesn't believe that historic figure of 6 million that has been drummed into the collective conscience of the world he as I would like a truly accurate count of how many truly died at the hands of Hitler &company.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:34 am

lonewolf wrote:I can't hold it till free speech month. :x
Am I the only person here who is not enchanted by Obama and is alarmed by his politcs or is it I am the only one not afraid to dissent?
Apparently praising Obama is not politcal but criticizing him is???? :?

I don't think there's anything wrong with you. You're just the product of your times. As a matter of fact, based on the demographics of the exit polls, you would be an outlier if you were enchanted by Obama.
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Postby Daisy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:42 am

dal4018 wrote:I follow Richard Williams the Catholic priest

I'm not familiar with Williamson, is there a significant difference in his perspective compared to Irving?
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Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:45 am

dal4018 wrote:
Daisy wrote:Followers of David Irving, I presume.
No Daisy me personally I follow Richard Williams the Catholic priest when it comes to the Holocaust he doesn't believe that historic figure of 6 million that has been drummed into the collective conscience of the world he as I would like a truly accurate count of how many truly died at the hands of Hitler &company.

Whether it was 6 million, 5.4 million (a more precise figure that I've read) or some other figure, what difference does it make? Once you get into the millions, why quibble over a few hundred thousand. Pol Pot killed 3 million while Stalin is supposed to be responsible for the death of 20 million. All of these men were equally evil in my book. Even if some day in the future, reputable historians revised the six million figure down to five million, I don't think it would lessen the significance of the Holocaust.
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Postby ndamix » Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:02 pm

Hey Blues...glad all is well with you. PS06 here.

A long overdue & plain spoken speech that was partially heart & ideologically felt. President Obama said some things that both sides needed to hear and I think what was said will reasonate well with folks.

Now if the politicians can actually come to some sort of plan of action that will enable and empower both sides as opposed to ostarcizing folks....that'll be the true test.
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Postby ndamix » Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:05 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
dal4018 wrote:
Daisy wrote:Followers of David Irving, I presume.
No Daisy me personally I follow Richard Williams the Catholic priest when it comes to the Holocaust he doesn't believe that historic figure of 6 million that has been drummed into the collective conscience of the world he as I would like a truly accurate count of how many truly died at the hands of Hitler &company.

Whether it was 6 million, 5.4 million (a more precise figure that I've read) or some other figure, what difference does it make? Once you get into the millions, why quibble over a few hundred thousand. Pol Pot killed 3 million while Stalin is supposed to be responsible for the death of 20 million. All of these men were equally evil in my book. Even if some day in the future, reputable historians revised the six million figure down to five million, I don't think it would lessen the significance of the Holocaust.
Thank you.
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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:08 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
dal4018 wrote:
Daisy wrote:Followers of David Irving, I presume.
No Daisy me personally I follow Richard Williams the Catholic priest when it comes to the Holocaust he doesn't believe that historic figure of 6 million that has been drummed into the collective conscience of the world he as I would like a truly accurate count of how many truly died at the hands of Hitler &company.

Whether it was 6 million, 5.4 million (a more precise figure that I've read) or some other figure, what difference does it make? Once you get into the millions, why quibble over a few hundred thousand. Pol Pot killed 3 million while Stalin is supposed to be responsible for the death of 20 million. All of these men were equally evil in my book. Even if some day in the future, reputable historians revised the six million figure down to five million, I don't think it would lessen the significance of the Holocaust.


Eggsactly- imagine someone saying Stalin is worse than Hitler cause Hitler only killed 5-6 million. They are both equal monsters. Hitler would have killed a billion Jews if he had the opportunity.
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Postby dal4018 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:08 pm

Daisy wrote:
dal4018 wrote:I follow Richard Williams the Catholic priest

I'm not familiar with Williamson, is there a significant difference in his perspective compared to Irving?
As stated before he's a Catholic priest who doesn't believe the historical figure of 6 million that's been handed down thru the history books Williams isn't denying what happened that's the difference between him and Irving.
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