"This Election Will Change The World"


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"This Election Will Change The World"

Postby gh » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:02 am

long lines for voting remind international correspondent of other nations:

http://inthefield.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11 ... the-world/
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Postby Marlow » Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:20 pm

almost 40% of Floridians have already voted - no long lines here (and no jokes about how we'll screw this up too!)
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Postby rasb » Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:17 pm

The long race is almost over....
"here comes pride in the backstretch, heartache goes to the inside"
With apologies to George Jones and Don Rollins. :)
But when exactly will it end? Don't go partisan here, cuz there is an 800 pound GarryHilla in the room.
The first polls are closing in a couple of hours (6:00 pm Eastern), an hour later voting will have been finalized in 7 states with 58 electoral votes, and including 3 states generally considered to be in play.
Within another hour (8:00 pm Eastern), another 19 states with 211 votes, and including another 3 states "in play" plus a big one that many consider the key.
So just for fun, what will be the time (to the closest minute), when CNN declares the Election Winner. I'm going with 8:49 EST.
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Betting

Postby observer2 » Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:21 pm

The betting companys like Ladbrokes usually have a much better
prediction than any poll at any institute or newspaper in the world.

On betting sites the election is over. McCain only have a 5% chance to win. If you ask people who are willing to risk their own money.
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Postby Marlow » Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:29 pm

rasb wrote:when CNN declares the Election Winner. I'm going with 8:49 EST.

What am I missing here? The earliest I see BO winning would be after Colorado polls close, with a great likelihood that it will take the Pacific landslide to seal the deal. I'll say 7:32 PST = 10:32 EST.
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Re: Betting

Postby tandfman » Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:37 pm

observer2 wrote:The betting companys like Ladbrokes usually have a much better
prediction than any poll at any institute or newspaper in the world.

On betting sites the election is over. McCain only have a 5% chance to win. If you ask people who are willing to risk their own money.

Does that mean you could have gotten 19-1 odds if you bet on McCain? I would call that a very good bet. I think his chances are much better than that.
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Postby observer2 » Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:51 pm

Not exactly. This is decimal odds. If you bet 10 dollars on Barrack you will get 10,50 back if he wins. If you bet 10 dollar on McCain you will get 100 dollars back if he wins.

And you still can bet LIVE. (of course the odds can change but this is what you get if you bet right now)
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Postby rasb » Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:59 pm

Marlow wrote:
rasb wrote:when CNN declares the Election Winner. I'm going with 8:49 EST.

What am I missing here? The earliest I see BO winning would be after Colorado polls close, with a great likelihood that it will take the Pacific landslide to seal the deal. I'll say 7:32 PST = 10:32 EST.


Well, you may be missing nothing, and I may be missing something.
But, as I read/hear/see it, there are 8 key states with 133 votes, whose polls are closed by 8:00 EST. I don't know how long it will take to do the count, or how CNN will wordsmith it ---- projecting as compared to declaring, etc.
But unless the vast majority of these 8 states turn against the "poll of polls" going in, then it would seem to be over. Yikes, 1 hour until the first polls close.
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Postby observer2 » Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:03 pm

DATUM: 04.11.08 Tid: 23:00 +4


USA:s president 2008?

TID VAL ODDS
23:00 Barack Obama 1.05
23:00 John McCain 9.50
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Postby bad hammy » Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:24 pm

rasb wrote:So just for fun, what will be the time (to the closest minute), when CNN declares the Election Winner. I'm going with 8:49 EST.

The networks will not declare a winner until the polls close on the west coast, so 11pm EST at the earliest. An I believe they will be ready at that time.
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Postby EPelle » Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:27 pm

Yes, what if:

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Postby observer2 » Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:28 pm

7.30 pm EST.
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Postby rasb » Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:01 pm

From early exit polls, 62% voted economy, 10% Iraq, 9 % terrorism, 9 % health care ----I declare the election over :) as the first polls close in parts of Indiana and Kentucky. I don't know who won though, gh...
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Postby Daisy » Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:04 pm

EPelle wrote:Yes, what if:

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Is it my imagination or is that a skinny version of Arnold Schwarzenegger?
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Postby rasb » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:14 pm

It seems both fascinating and scary to see how much of the 1861-1865 Confederacy is still holding together, especially in light of the perceived melanin levels of the respective candidates. Hopefully, we all can move to a higher level after tonight.
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Postby SQUACKEE » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:46 pm

rasb wrote:It seems both fascinating and scary to see how much of the 1861-1865 Confederacy is still holding together, especially in light of the perceived melanin levels of the respective candidates. Hopefully, we all can move to a higher level after tonight.


The states that vote Republican are still mostly voting Republican. If Colin Powell was on the R. ticket they would vote for him.

The U.S.A. will elect a minority for Prez. How often has this happened in the history of the world,

Congrats to Obama and the people who voted for him. Its a great day for the healing of America's past. He is our president and i wish him well. Please keep him safe.
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Postby JRM » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:32 pm

18:33 PST. Ohio and NM are called for Obama. It's all over.
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Postby Marlow » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:46 pm

SQUACKEE wrote:The U.S.A. will elect a minority for Prez. How often has this happened in the history of the world


African slaves were introduced into the USA in 1619. That was the beginning of the race issue, the single most important 'issue' in the nation's history. With Obama's election tonight, we have finally, after 389 years, turned the corner on putting it behind us. It will never disappear until we all look like Tiger Woods, but this is indeed a historic day in American history.
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Postby JRM » Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:27 pm

This'll be deleted shortly, but for the time that it lasts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRvAAYjmqkE
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Postby Double R Bar » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:55 pm

Barack Obama just ran a 9.55! Congratulations!
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Re: "This Election Will Change The World"

Postby BillVol » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:32 pm

gh wrote:long lines for voting remind international correspondent of other nations:

http://inthefield.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11 ... the-world/


Why isn't this on the Free Speech board?
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Postby mike renfro » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:07 pm

To quote James Brown "I FEEL GOOD". To quote Stuart Scott: "BOOYAH". To quote me: "Finally"
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Postby mrbowie » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:12 pm

Hope. It's back again. Oh happy days!
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Postby Friar » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:35 pm

Easiest voting experience --at 8:15 pm--I ever had (once waited 3 hours).
It would be hard to think of anything McCain did right. As bad as conditions were for him, a more competent campaign and this was still winnable.
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Postby Per Andersen » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:55 pm

mrbowie wrote:Hope. It's back again. Oh happy days!

Yes!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby EPelle » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:23 am

Perhaps USA slogan will be altered from "In God We Trust", to "In Change We Trust".
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Postby paulthefan » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:00 am

EPelle wrote:Yes, what if:

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the guy on the left looks like Dennis Kucinich... on the right is a young Arlen Specter.
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Postby guru » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:05 am

paulthefan wrote:....on the right is a young Arlen Specter.



Glenn Quagmire.
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Postby tandfman » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:52 am

Friar wrote: It would be hard to think of anything McCain did right.

I thought his concession speech was terrific--better than Obama's. Of course, you don't win elections on concession speeches.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:56 am

At 22:00 CST on November 4, 2008, the U.S.A. finally proved to itself and the world, that it would no longer be handicapped by what Condoleezza Rice called the "birth defect" that it was born with. And this morning in a moment of gloating, Republican Joe Scarborough asked, "when will the Europeans will elect a Black (or non-White) leader?"
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Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:02 am

tandfman wrote:
Friar wrote: It would be hard to think of anything McCain did right.

I thought his concession speech was terrific--better than Obama's. Of course, you don't win elections on concession speeches.

I agree. Obama's speech seemed a little lackluster by his standards. It certainly didn't live up to my expectations, because I thought he would bring the house down. But I'm assuming that the decision to tone it down was intentional.
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Postby Marlow » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:28 am

jazzcyclist wrote:I agree. Obama's speech seemed a little lackluster by his standards. It certainly didn't live up to my expectations, because I thought he would bring the house down. But I'm assuming that the decision to tone it down was intentional.

His grandmother, who had helped raise him, has just died. I imagine he's not much in the celebrating mood.

I noticed that he had a bulletproof shield in front of him. Is that de rigeur or just my paranoia?
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Postby schigh » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:04 am

SQUACKEE wrote:
rasb wrote:It seems both fascinating and scary to see how much of the 1861-1865 Confederacy is still holding together, especially in light of the perceived melanin levels of the respective candidates. Hopefully, we all can move to a higher level after tonight.


The states that vote Republican are still mostly voting Republican. If Colin Powell was on the R. ticket they would vote for him.

The U.S.A. will elect a minority for Prez. How often has this happened in the history of the world,

Congrats to Obama and the people who voted for him. Its a great day for the healing of America's past. He is our president and i wish him well. Please keep him safe.


One may want to review election results before making sweeping statements. Since WWII, the 'confederate' states don't necessarily vote as a block. The most consistent repulican states are North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Kansas, not confederate strongholds, I don't think. 2 of the most solid republican southern states, Virginia and North Carolina, went for Obama (and didn't for Clinton either time when most of the other 'confederate' states did).
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Postby Powell » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:19 am

jazzcyclist wrote:And this morning in a moment of gloating, Republican Joe Scarborough asked, "when will the Europeans will elect a Black (or non-White) leader?"


No European country has racial minorities of a size similar to the US. And the significant black populations that do exist in Europe (mostly in the UK and France) are mostly composed of fairly recent immigrants. I would guess most of the blacks in those countries who have reached electable age were born abroad. Therefore, even in the case of complete color blindness, it's statistically unlikely a black president would have been elected by now.

Turning to another continent, Peru had a president of Japanese descent and I don't think anyone there thought his race was much of an issue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Fujimori
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Postby Marlow » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:16 am

Not to put too fine a point on it, I have always found European racism to be virtually identical to American racism, both in scope and number. Now that we have broken through, I'm sure Europe is just as capable.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:42 am

Powell wrote:No European country has racial minorities of a size similar to the US. And the significant black populations that do exist in Europe (mostly in the UK and France) are mostly composed of fairly recent immigrants.

Doesn't France have a sizeable Arab population?
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Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:52 am

Marlow wrote:Not to put too fine a point on it, I have always found European racism to be virtually identical to American racism, both in scope and number. Now that we have broken through, I'm sure Europe is just as capable.

I couldn't disagree with you more, and every Black person I've ever met who has been fortunate enough to travel feels the same way. Of course I'm only speaking from the Black American perspective, because I've had Europeans tell me that Africans don't get treated the same way we do. It really should come as no surprise, since Europeans don't have the history of institutional racism - segregated schools, segregated military, segregated buses, White-only hotels, White-only restaurants, White-only voting rights, etc. - that we do. Sure they practiced it in their colonies and conquered terrirtoies, but those policies were never brought back to the homeland.
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Postby BruceFlorman » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:01 am

SQUACKEE wrote:The states that vote Republican are still mostly voting Republican.

Well it took 'em all night to finally call the race, but I was pleasantly surprised this morning to discover that I'd woken up in a blue state. :!:
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Postby Daisy » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:21 am

Marlow wrote:Not to put too fine a point on it, I have always found European racism to be virtually identical to American racism


I'd say it is a bit different but it is there. More nationalism than racism. It explains much of the violence at soccer games (more often white on white).

One example of a similar type of racism is at the soccer games when fans throw bananas on the field at black players and make monkey sounds. It's sad to see.
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Postby Marlow » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:32 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
Marlow wrote:I have always found European racism to be virtually identical to American racism, both in scope and number.

I couldn't disagree with you more

I'm glad your experience was different, but in Germany I found plenty of anti-Turk (gastarbeiters) sentiment, in England plenty of anti-Indian sentiment, in France plenty of anti-Arab sentiment, etc..
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