McCain/Palin Lovers: This One's For You


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McCain/Palin Lovers: This One's For You

Postby bad hammy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:28 am

According to Palin in a recent interview we are either at war with Iran or will be within the first 100 days of a McCain/Palin administration (and she is not confusing Iran with Iraq - she mentions both): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D9LofMCa8A
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Postby AthleticsInBritain » Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:29 am

Memo from the rest of the world to those in the US who'd like to bomb Iran:

It's not our favourite country either, but please don't bomb it, 'cos we'd quite like to avoid World War III if possible, please?


But seriously, d;you think it was a freudian slip on Palin's part?
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Postby Flumpy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:43 am

Palin 2012!!!! :D

Greta Van Susteren is a bit shit isn't she?

I always thought she was a well respected reporter like Diane Sawyer or someone but have just found out she's actually on Fox so obviously not.

Can you imagine British reporter letting a politician say such a stupid think and get away with it.

I think everybody involved in the US election shoudl have to go through a grilling by Jeremy Paxman :mrgreen:

How do you think Palin would cope with that???
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Postby jazzcyclist » Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:55 am

Flumpy wrote:I think everybody involved in the US election shoudl have to go through a grilling by Jeremy Paxman :mrgreen:

How do you think Palin would cope with that???

I think Americans would find Paxman overbearing. We're used to interviewers showing a certain degree of deference towards interviewees. The late Tim Russert was the American gold standard, and had he lived, I think the McCain campaign would have felt a lot of pressure to make Palin available for a one-hour cross examination by him on "Meet the Press".
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Postby Flumpy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:13 pm

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Postby Flumpy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:21 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
Flumpy wrote:I think everybody involved in the US election shoudl have to go through a grilling by Jeremy Paxman :mrgreen:

How do you think Palin would cope with that???

I think Americans would find Paxman overbearing. We're used to interviewers showing a certain degree of deference towards interviewees.


I've never understood why anyone would think you should be deferential to politicians. Especiaally inept ones who refure to answer a straightforward question. It's precisely his lack of deference that makes him so repected in the UK.

Having said that I think almost any UK presenter would have given them all a harder time than they get in the Us were everyone is far too deferential, apart from the egregious obvious exceptions.

Actually i have to say I'm loving Campbell Brown, she's great but i haven't seen her interview any of the big guns. She wouldn't let them get away with anything.
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Postby Conor Dary » Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:36 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
Flumpy wrote:I think everybody involved in the US election shoudl have to go through a grilling by Jeremy Paxman :mrgreen:

How do you think Palin would cope with that???

I think Americans would find Paxman overbearing. We're used to interviewers showing a certain degree of deference towards interviewees. The late Tim Russert was the American gold standard, and had he lived, I think the McCain campaign would have felt a lot of pressure to make Palin available for a one-hour cross examination by him on "Meet the Press".


Russert could be alright at times, but sometimes a complete clown. His fixation of Social Security was one. The system needs tinkering, but it is not a big problem.

I remember one show when he had Paul Krugman and Bill O'Reilly on together. When O'Reilly was losing the argument on facts he went straight to his bullying tactics and Russert did nothing except say at the end it was all very amusing. Great.

Paxman is wonderful. I met him once in Hay-on-Wye a few years ago. I wish we had someone like that here. Of course, I wish we had the equivalent of the BBC here.

Does anyone remember back in 2002 when Wolf Blitzer babbled to Colin Powell, "god bless you sir" at the end of the show. I almost fell out of my seat. I immediately thought of Paxman and just tried to imagine saying anything remotely as obsequious to the Foreign Secretary.
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Postby Flumpy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:47 pm

I was in New York during September just after Palin was nominated for VP (It was during that time of lipstick on a pig nonsence that made me despair for the American public if it's thaty kind of crap that the media focus' on) and was really impressed by CNN. It seemed to be genuinely 'Fair and balanced' and had some really good reporters who doing there very best to stay on track during extremely trying times.

Obviously nothing comparable to the BBC but certainly way better than i remember from when i used to get CNN Worldwide.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:21 pm

Flumpy, Chris Matthews occasionally does the type of interviews that I think you would appreciate like when he when after right-wing Congresswoman Michele Bachmann a couple of weeks ago. If she gets voted out of her very conservative district on Tuesday, this exchange will be the reason why. However, if an interviewer goes to far, like Barbara West did last week with Joe Biden, they'll get boycotted. This exchange lead to Obama cutting off all access to his campaign personnel from this TV station and pulling all of his commercials off the station.
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Postby Daisy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:23 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:Flumpy, Chris Matthews occasionally does the type of interviews that I think you would appreciate.


Despite showing his bias on both sleeves he does stand up for what he considers "good guys" from GOP. As far as i can tell it comes down to how far down the dirty trick path they are willing to go.
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Postby Flumpy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:15 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:Flumpy, Chris Matthews occasionally does the type of interviews that I think you would appreciate like when he when after right-wing Congresswoman Michele Bachmann a couple of weeks ago. If she gets voted out of her very conservative district on Tuesday, this exchange will be the reason why. However, if an interviewer goes to far, like Barbara West did last week with Joe Biden, they'll get boycotted. This exchange lead to Obama cutting off all access to his campaign personnel from this TV station and pulling all of his commercials off the station.


Yeah saw both of these. I love the bit where that ridiculous woman says "What is your response to people who say that Barack Obama will want to turn America into a socialist country much like ....wait for it......... SWEDEN" WTF???:lol:

I thought she was goingt o say Venuzuela or Cuba but Sweden???

Joe Biden is great when she asks if Obama is a Marxist because he wants to "spread the wealth around" he looks bewildered and says "Are you joking? Is that a serious question?".

You just don't get such ridiculously biased presenters in Britain. Certainly not on something that purports to be a news show. It's just embarrassing :oops:

As you may have guessed I'm completely obsessed with the Us election. It's the new Olympics!!! :D Although hopefully they'll be far less surprise winners.
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Postby Daisy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:15 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:Barbara West did last week with Joe Biden


I had not seen that one before. What's interesting is that it has been uploaded to youtube many times. Just read the titles, you can tell whether the uploader was left or right leaning. Clearly the right thought she was a tough interview for Biden. I have to disagree, he pretty much crushed each question. She didn't even followup on his responses.
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Postby Flumpy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:30 pm

Daisy wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:Barbara West did last week with Joe Biden


I had not seen that one before. What's interesting is that it has been uploaded to youtube many times. Just read the titles, you can tell whether the uploader was left or right leaning. Clearly the right thought she was a tough interview for Biden. I have to disagree, he pretty much crushed each question. She didn't even followup on his responses.


That's because she doesn't know what she's talking about. At one point she actually says "And moving along to the next question" as if it's a Miss World pageant or something.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:37 pm

Flumpy wrote:You just don't get such ridiculously biased presenters in Britain. Certainly not on something that purports to be a news show. It's just embarrassing.

She's obviously a graduate of the Sean Hannity school of journalism. This video shows the same woman interviewing John McCain.
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Postby Daisy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:38 pm

Flumpy wrote:At one point she actually says "And moving along to the next question" as if it's a Miss World pageant or something.


She probably had Miss Sweden in the wings.

Q1 It must be hard to live in a socialist country, is there any truth to the rumor you are seeking political asylum?

Q2 Are Swedes allowed to stay out after dark?

Q3 Is it true you burn money in the fireplace to heat your homes at night?

It must be terrible to have to live in Sweden! :roll:
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Postby jazzcyclist » Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:56 pm

I think there's no video that better demonstrates the problem with American talk radio than Chris Matthews' interview with right-wing talk show host Kevin James. In May, Bush went before the Israeli Knesset and called Obama and appeaser. Matthews discusses it with his two guests and when he senses that James is an ignoramus, he goes in for the kill. Overnight, James became a national laughing stock, but unfortunately, a large percentage of voters on the right still get all of their information from people just like him.
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Postby bad hammy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:30 pm

Flumpy wrote:Joe Biden is great when she asks if Obama is a Marxist because he wants to "spread the wealth around" he looks bewildered and says "Are you joking? Is that a serious question?".

For you economic history buffs out there, here is one capitalist economist in an obscure work called 'An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations':

Adam Smith wrote:It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.


http://kapilarambam.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... smith.html
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Postby Daisy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:19 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:Matthews discusses it with his two guests and when he senses that James is an ignoramus.


I have to admit I have never heard of the guy. Is he one of the respected conservative commentators? And why was he shouting from the start? Just bizarre.
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Postby gm » Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:24 pm

Daisy wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:Matthews discusses it with his two guests and when he senses that James is an ignoramus.


I have to admit I have never heard of the guy. Is he one of the respected conservative commentators? And why was he shouting from the start? Just bizarre.


Never heard of him, either.
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Postby paulthefan » Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:28 pm

please be aware that there are probably many middle americans that may be reading this thread with the result being a vote for McCain.

Despite having faith in polling, it is threads like this that could cause one to think that McCain/Palin are actually going to win Tuesday.

If americans get a good close look at the san francisco circus and decide instead to go home and make some popcorn and watch a wholesome movie we could be looking at a GOP presidency.
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Postby Daisy » Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:37 pm

paulthefan wrote:please be aware that there are probably many middle americans that may be reading this thread with the result being a vote for McCain.

Works both ways.
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Postby paulthefan » Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:13 pm

Daisy wrote:Works both ways.


a very very good thing.
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