observer2 wrote:Men:
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800 m: 1.41.87 - W Kipketer, Stockholm 97 -WR (e)
Huh ? Last I heard, Coe ran 1:41.73 back in 1981.
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Spectator PR's
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Re: Spectator PR's
Most people don't count windy marks when doing their PR list. I've seen a faster 100m than the one I've listed for myself, but it was windy, so I don't have it on my list.
Sorry, my mistake. Don´t know where the"87" came from. 
Of course should be; 800m: 1.41.73 - W Kipketer, Stockholm 97 -WR (e) Thanks!
An off-topic trivia question - why should that mark never have been a world record? Justin
No drug testing? I hope you are not saying suspended by his federation.
No, nothing like that. It has nothing to do with Kipketer at all. Justin
It''s that time of year again. I don't expect to be going to any more track meets this season, and so I've updated my spectator PR list, which appears at the top of the first page of this thread. It's been a terrific year in that department. Last year, I saw only one PR; this year I saw eleven of them. Of course Beijing helped, but so did a number of other places.
For those of you who are new to the Boards, or to this thread, read the post that started the thread. The numbers aren't important--the text is. I still think that keeping spectator PR's is a great way to enhance your enjoyment of the sport, no matter how many or how few meets you attend.
CO-SIGN (although I try to watch other events once I'm done doing my officiating event).   
I'm trying to go for the world junior record of spectators PBs
 I can't be bothered to remember all of them but here are some of the better ones
Outdoors 100m - 9.94 Powell - 2008 Crystal Palace 200m - 19.76 Bolt - 2008 CP 400m - 44.05 Wariner - 2007 CP 3000m - 7:26.69 Bekele - 2007 Sheffield Marathon - 2:06.18 Rutto - 2004 FLM High jump - 2.38m Silnov - 2008 CP Pole vault - 5.97m Lukyanenko and Hooker - 2008 CP Triple jump - 17.46m Idowu - 2008 Annecy (Euro Cup) Shot put - 22.43m Hoffa - 2007 CP Indoors 60m - 6.51 Fasuba - 2008 Valencia WICh 800m - 1:44.91 Kaki - 2008 Valencia 2 miles - 8:04.xx Bekele - 2008 Birmingham 60mH - 7.46 Liu Xiang - 2008 Valencia LJ - 8.30m Howe - 2007 Birmingham EICh TJ - 17.75m Idowu - 2008 Valencia HJ - 2.36m Holm 2008 Valencia PV - 5.90m Lukyanenko 2008 Valencia SP - 21.77m Cantwell 2008 Valencia Hep - 6371 Clay 2008 Valencia Outdoors 100m - 10.87 VCB - CP 2008 200m - 22.19 Felix - Birmingham 2006 400m - 49.79 Richards - CP 2007 Marathon - 2:22:35 - Okoro FLM 2004 3000m SC - 9:22.82 - Petrova Birmingham 2006 LJ - 7.04m Kolchanova - Annecy 2008 HJ - 2.03m Friedrich - Annecy 2008 PV - 4.93m Isinbayeva - CP 2008 HT - 76.24m Lysenko - Birmingham 2006 Indoors 60m - 7.06 A. Williams - Valencia 2008 400m - 50.02 Sanders - Birmingham EICh 2007 1500m - 3:57.71 Soboleva - Valencia 2008 3000m - 8:31.94 Burka - Birmingham 2008 60mH - 7.75 Kallur - Birmingham 2008 LJ - 7.00m Gomes - Valencia 2008 TJ - 15.05m Savigne - Valencia 2008 HJ - 2.05m Hellebaut - Birmingham 2007 PV - 4.76m Feofanova - Birmingham 2007 (at least Sveta beats Issy at something!) SP - 20.19m Vili - Valencia 2008 Pent - 4944 points - Kluft 2008
Let me be clear here; my guess was that no drug testing was conducted, so it could be not be approved for a WR.
Latest update after Berlin:
Men Outdoor: 100m - 9.58 200m - 19.19 400m - 43.99 800m - 1:43.88 1500m - 3:30.25 Mile - 3:49.84 3000m - 7:33.54 2 miles - 8:11.16 5000m - 12:46.53 Mar - 2:06:54 3000mSC - 7:59.65 110mH - 13.11 400mH - 47.91 HJ - 2.34 PV - 5.90 LJ - 8.54 TJ - 17.73 SP - 22.45 DT - 69.43 HT - 80.84 JT - 89.59 4x100m - 37.31 4x400m - 2:57.86 Men Indoor: 60m - 6.46 200m - 20.53 400m - 45.34 800m - 1:45.69 1000m - 2:14.96 1500m - 3:34.26 2000m - 4:49.99 3000m - 7:32.43 2 Miles - 8:04.35 5000m - 12:49.60 60mH - 7.36 HJ - 2.40 PV - 5.90 LJ - 8.40 TJ - 17.83 SP - 21.57 Hept - 6438 4x400 - 3:04.09 Women Outdoor: 100m - 10.73 200m - 22.02 400m - 49.00 800m - 1:55.45 1500m - 4:01.15 3000m - 8:29.55 5000m - 14:37.99 10000m - 29:59.20 Mar - 2:25:15 3000mSC - 9:07.32 100mH - 12.48 400mH - 52.42 HJ - 2.05 PV - 4.91 LJ - 7.10 TJ - 14.98 SP - 20.44 DT - 65.54 HT - 77.96 JT - 70.20 4x100m - 41.88 4x400m - 3:17.83 Women Indoor: 60m - 7.04 200m - 22.18 400m - 50.02 800m - 1:57.72 1000m - 2:32.96 1500m - 4:01.67 3000m - 8:30.53 60mH - 7.75 HJ - 2.05 PV - 4.90 LJ - 6.98 TJ - 15.36 SP - 20.55 Pent - 4948 4x400 - 3:23.88
So we're clear, the rules of "seeing it" (at least in my universe) are that while you don't necessarily need to see the initation of the throw/jump, you need to see the takeoff/relase and the landing of the body/implement.
(as a sad PS I'll note that I saw neither, and that was a step down from Moreno's WR at the '05 meet when I only saw the landing)
I saw the entire throw from initiation till landing. I had kept an eye on that competition in general and on Włodarczyk in particular (although I was sitting in the finish line sector, which wasn't great for watching the HT). Somehow, though, I missed her post-throw celebration and the injury.
I'm trying to remember why I didn't see it; things were amazingly hectic at that point. As I recall, both mPV and mLJ were at crucial junctures. And, if I'm not mistaken, didn't throw happen during the last lap (or even 200) of the w5000?
I talked to one guy (stop me if I posted this already!) who heard the German announcer yell "Weltrekord! Weltrekord!" and said, "no, dummy, that was 14:57, not 13:57!"
You've all inspired me to actually try and go to a few pro-level track meets. Is there a thread on the best meets to go to as a spectator (my going to a pro-meet will have to coincide with a family/spouse vacation so that must be taken into account)?
Let's hope you don't like to vacation in Wisconsin. Best I've been to are championship meets. Grand prix's are OK but do not have the same energy (although I've only been to Edinburgh and Crystal Palace and good meet in NYC). I always wanted to go to Bislet. Indoor meets are good as you can be a little closer to the action, unless you're in the nose bleed seats at Madison Square Garden.
As far as small meets go, there are a couple that stick out in my memory.
Houston McTear's 9.0 WR in the small schools section of a high school state championship was pretty amazing, given that it was so unexpected. When is the next time we're going to see a WR in a high school meet? Probably never. And that I just happened to be there is equally amazing, in hindsight. Then there was the Jav WR by a certain American/South African at the Pepsi Meet at UCLA, before many spectators have even arrived. If I remember right they had balloons across the field marking the current WR, and his implement just kept sailing on and on, right over those balloons, without even popping any of them. I saw one of those Eamonn Coghlan WR indoor miles in San Diego, and the crowd was really rocking. I also officiated at one of the indoor meets at the L.A. Sports Arena, and was filling in as head PV judge for a fellow judge who was sick, when Bubka attempted a new indoor WR. Measuring beforehand for that was quite the challenge. 
Unfortunately he didn't make it, but he still squashed the competition, even while putting ice packs on his achilles between every attempt. I might be remembering incorrectly, but I seem to remember that what he *did* clear that night was a U.S. all comers record (something the truly hard core keep track of).. In some ways these memories are even more outstanding than seeing every heat, flight, and final at the '84 Olympics.
I do remember nice balloons at that meet, now that you mention it. Purple, IIRC.
I was charting the event, and damn near missed it. I only saw the release, none of the spins. It was my 4th PB in the event, and I missed Heidler's Q mark completely. Did see Anna's. In all, I saw 10 marks better than the Moreno which was my old PB.
Re: Spectator PR's
Here is my list, updated from about '07 or so.
Last edited by mike renfro on Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:16 pm, edited 2 times in total.
My updated list:
Men 9.77 19.62 43.44 1:42.80 3:28.37 7:25.54 13:00.77 27:04.20 8:00.67 12.92 47.03 37.40 2:54.29 2.40 6.05 8.70 17.92 22.54 69.72 83.38 92.80/new 8902 Women 10.71 21.85 49.27 1:55.43 3:56.97 8:29.25 14:45.35 30:19.39 9:27.59 12.33 52.74 41.49 3:16.71 2.01 4.92 7.20 15.25 ?? 68.57 70.78 69.53 7158 The ?? on the women's shot reinforces for me what a joke this event was in the past, with fairytale distances dominating the all-time list. It is hard to find a mark from the 90s, much less after that.
I've just done my annual update. See the first post on this thread. And yes, I was one of the many who sat there in Berlin watching the finish of the women's 5000 and completely missing the WR in the women's HT.
gh wrote:
So we're clear, the rules of "seeing it" (at least in my universe) are that while you don't necessarily need to see the initation of the throw/jump, you need to see the takeoff/relase and the landing of the body/implement. (as a sad PS I'll note that I saw neither, and that was a step down from Moreno's WR at the '05 meet when I only saw the landing) What about seeing it as I was distracted but still viewing the throw from spin to landing as I was being handed a beer and some food and then not aware of its significance for a minute or so as I was more entranced by the action on the track?
I'll never catch up after missing Beijing and Berlin (although missing the '80's will leave one forever behind in the women's throws...)
9.72 19.62 43.18 1:41.11 2:13.93 3:27.40 3:45.19 4:49.00 7:55.72 7:25.16 12:39.74 26:25.97 12.91 (3 times) 47.03 37.48 2:54.29 2.40 6.05 8.74 18.29 22.54 71.06 84.12 92.80 8902 (didn't see all events) 10.70 21.76 48.89 1:54.01 2:28.98 3:56.74 4:12.56 5:31.52 9:06.57 8:24.51 (en route in 2Mile, 8:24.66 in actual 3000) 14:12.88 30:04.18 12.33 52.61 41.47 3:16.71 2.07 5.01 7.06 15.50 21.22 Discus - Nothing on IAAF all-time performances list down to 67.16! 75.20 71.70 7032 (didn't see all events)
I can live with that.
So can I, but the real question is whether westcoasttiger can. To me, this is a game played primarily for oneself. The object is simply to enhance the enjoyment one can derive from attending track meets. So westcoasttiger can make his own rules--until we make this a competitive sport, he's the only one who has to live with them.
There have been many discussions as to what constitutes "seeing" a multi. Unless it's a multi-only meet, it's usually virtually impossible to see everything when there's a whole nother meet going on. For that one I've always accepted being in the stadium for each of the 10 events as good enough, so long as you watch the 100 and 1500. The best definition, though, is, if Frank Zarnowski is in town and you ask him how it went.
Wow! You're tougher than I am. I've always counted a multi competition if I saw any of it. I think in most of the better ones I've witnessed, I've seen all or most of the events, but I never really keep track of how many or which ones. Looking back at my PR's, I'm pretty sure I saw all of my Decathlon and Heptathlon outdoor PR performances, and I'm pretty sure I saw all of my indoor men's Hept PR, but probably not my indoor women's Pent PR.
A family member is infinitely better; missing only '05 for WC's and every olympics since '84... Anyway, my less impressive "personal views" below.
9.58 19.19 43.44 1:42.58 12:52.79 26:46.31 8:00.43 12.91 46.78 6.02 2.40 8.68 18.09 83.63 69.69 22.03 90.57 8790 (saw every event) 1:17:21 (not every step, but a significant amount and the finish) 3:36:03 (not every step, but a significant amount and the finish) 37.10 2:54.29 10.73 21.72 48.25 1:54.87 3:55.30 29:54.66 8:58.81 12.43 52.42 5.05 2.06 7.49 15.39 20.44 68.40 77.96 71.42 7044 1:26:31 (not every step, but a significant amount and the finish) 41.49 3:16.71 Last edited by 7-sided on Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
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