SOBOLEVA OUT OF BEIJING


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SOBOLEVA OUT OF BEIJING

Postby gabyandersen » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:07 am

IAAF suspends six russians athletes
Yelena Soboleva, Daria Pischalnikova, Gulfiya Khanafeyeva, Tatiana Tomashova, Yulia Fomenko and Svetlana Cherkasova
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Postby The Captain » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:13 am

Whoa! 1500 blown wide open.
That means Sadova will win the discus. :(
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Postby peach » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:23 am

Well I never saw THAT one coming :roll:
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Postby EPelle » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:31 am

F-ing A, man.
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Postby guru » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:38 am

interesting.

Someone clarify exactly what "DNA convergence" is and how you test for it.
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Postby nevetsllim » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:38 am

Is this Khanafeyeva's third doping conviction?? :shock: :roll:
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Postby kamikaze7 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:40 am

IMO this is the tip of the iceberg. Something is definately up in Russia.
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Postby Taffy » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:41 am

The Captain wrote:Whoa! 1500 blown wide open.
That means Sadova will win the discus. :(


Wide open indeed.

Glad they are banned pre games though.
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Postby peach » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:42 am

guru wrote:interesting.

Someone clarify exactly what "DNA convergence" is and how you test for it.


I wondered if that was a bad translation of saying the urine samples were from the same person ?
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Postby Stephen » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:43 am

Wow, I am kind of surprised, but not. There are only really a handful of athletes that I would be really surprised if they went down, but hearing of positives is shocking nonetheless.

Crazy stuff, and ridiculously embarrassing for our sport yet again.
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Postby Taffy » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:44 am

peach wrote:
guru wrote:interesting.

Someone clarify exactly what "DNA convergence" is and how you test for it.


I wondered if that was a bad translation of saying the urine samples were from the same person ?


Was Krabbe there also?
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Postby peach » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:45 am

I'm disappointed about Tomashova, but I can't say I'm amazingly surprised about any of the rest...
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Postby EPelle » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:45 am

First tests were in april/may. The second tests were taken in Osaka. The third tests were taken last week in Moscow. The tests are not the same as they were in the first round, though the Osaka tests were not mentioned against the Moscow ones.
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Postby Stephen » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:46 am

I think it means the sample are from the same person too, unless it's a bad translation about DNA doping.

All 3 candidates in the 1500m for Russia now out! Do they have till midnight tonight to nominate someone else?
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Postby nevetsllim » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:48 am

peach wrote:I'm disappointed about Tomashova, but I can't say I'm amazingly surprised about any of the rest...


So am I. I couldn't really trust her but I always supported her until now. But she did train with Yegorova in 2001, I believe.

I'm pretty surprised at Pishchalnikova and Cherkasova.

At least Alminova will get picked for the Russian team for Beijing! :D
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Postby peach » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:48 am

EPelle wrote:First tests were in april/may. The second tests were taken in Osaka. The third tests were taken last week in Moscow. The tests are not the same as they were in the first round, though the Osaka tests were not mentioned against the Moscow ones.


Unless it all means they cross checked the DNA from the tests and the urine is not from the same person across their three tests...
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Postby Powell » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:49 am

Stephen wrote:I think it means the sample are from the same person too, unless it's a bad translation about DNA doping.


But they say it was evidence of gene doping :?
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Postby EPelle » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:49 am

The Russian T&F site hasn:t mentioned that the test samples (presumably in Moscow) are not the same as those taken in the first two rounds (though this could (not) be true).
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Postby peach » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:52 am

I'm not really understanding you, Epelle...
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Postby EPelle » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:58 am

Sorry. Test 1, Test 2 and Test 3 are presumed at this point to have been the same specimines across the boards from the same athletes involved.
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Postby peach » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:00 am

Oh I see...so all of them came from the same person or the same urine was used for Test 1, 2 or 3 ?

Still, very odd state of affairs...
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Postby Stephen » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:00 am

nevetsllim wrote:I'm pretty surprised at Pishchalnikova and Cherkasova.

At least Alminova will get picked for the Russian team for Beijing! :D


No way, I never trusted Pishchalnikova! In fact, I'f I'm being perfectly honest, I still think the Russian team have an organised doping regime, and this kind of backs that up.
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Postby EPelle » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:02 am

peach wrote:Oh I see...so all of them came from the same person or the same urine was used for Test 1, 2 or 3 ?

Still, very odd state of affairs...

I haven:t gotten the jist of that; the article doesn:t state specifically either alternative :roll:
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Postby peach » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:03 am

But again, why has this all taken until the eve of the Olympics to reveal ? It's like they want the most publicity...
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Postby nevetsllim » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:04 am

Stephen wrote:
nevetsllim wrote:I'm pretty surprised at Pishchalnikova and Cherkasova.

At least Alminova will get picked for the Russian team for Beijing! :D


No way, I never trusted Pishchalnikova! In fact, I'f I'm being perfectly honest, I still think the Russian team have an organised doping regime, and this kind of backs that up.


Well I never really had anything to go on so I gave her the benefit of the doubt.

Still, I think there are more obvious Russians than these ones.
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Postby gh » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:09 am

Send in the clones!
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Postby peach » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:10 am

gh wrote:Send in the clones!

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HA!

Or send in the random testing team more often please...

I do agree, something is up in Russia. Six athletes in one fell swoop doesn't look too good either...
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Postby pauluk63 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:13 am

i am so disapointed, yet again another scandal... sobelova a huge star and favourite and tomoshova who is always there for the champs OUT!

i just knew though when i saw six big name russians out one would be sobelova

i guess that explains 2004-2005
2008 3:56.59 Moskva 10/07/2008
2007 3:57.30 Moskva 29/06/2007
2006 3:56.43 Paris Saint-Denis 08/07/2006
2005 4:01.14 Tula 13/07/2005
2004 4:11.98 Tula 24/06/2004

also 2007-2008 800!
2008 1:54.85 Kazan 18/07/2008
2007 1:59.49 Zhukovskiy 09/06/2007
2006 1:57.28 Zhukovskiy 24/06/2006
2005 2:00.59 Tallinn 16/08/2005
2003 2:01.65 Cheboksary 28/06/2003
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Postby pauluk63 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:14 am

God it really is BIG names though sobelova, fomenko, tomoshova.... maybe there is more??
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Postby BruceFlorman » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:15 am

peach wrote:
guru wrote:interesting.

Someone clarify exactly what "DNA convergence" is and how you test for it.


I wondered if that was a bad translation of saying the urine samples were from the same person ?

The AFP report appears to be a translation of this: http://www.allsport.ru/index.php?id=16639
I would probably translate the phrase "несовпадение ДНК в допинг-пробах" as "DNA mismatch in doping-probes".

BTW, the AllSport.ru site says they'll have a detailed interview with Balakhnichev soon.
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Postby Jaack » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:16 am

Oh JEBUS!!!!!! That's some amount. :shock:


Isn't the hammer thrower JUST back in the sport?

This will make me even MORE paranoid when it comes to other athletes like the 400m girls, the walkers, the 10k and 5k runner (she has to be the most doped of ALL)!!
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Postby Jon » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:16 am

Stephen wrote:No way, I never trusted Pishchalnikova!
Me neither - the deep grunt she let out when she threw, her facial acne, and rapid progression were all small hints :)

Stephen wrote:In fact, I'f I'm being perfectly honest, I still think the Russian team have an organised doping regime, and this kind of backs that up.
Again, I agree. These athletes are from different events with different coaches, yet they all have something funky going on with their DNA testing. They must be getting the same 'instructions' from somewhere.

Whatever little hope I had in the Russian team has now been lost completely.
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Postby gh » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:19 am

This would all suggest to me that more DQs may be in the offing. Too much a coincidence perhaps that this year's 1500 trio just happened to get caught up last year? Meaning that at at this point the IAAF has merely acted to go after those named for Beijing? (but has more in the hopper)
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Postby EPelle » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:20 am

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Postby Jaack » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:26 am

Jon wrote:
Stephen wrote:
Stephen wrote:In fact, I'f I'm being perfectly honest, I still think the Russian team have an organised doping regime, and this kind of backs that up.
Again, I agree. These athletes are from different events with different coaches, yet they all have something funky going on with their DNA testing. They must be getting the same 'instructions' from somewhere.

Whatever little hope I had in the Russian team has now been lost completely.


I was just searching to see if they had the same coach...this absolutely STINKS of an organised doping system. :cry: Can we trust any of Russia's leading athletes? As much as I have believed quite a high amount of Russian gals were doped, I could still manage to support some members of their team like Soboleva, Guschina, Tomashova. But the fact that these 6 names, pretty much represent the entire team, well....how can anyone have faith in the rest? Samitova? Kapachinskaya? Volkova?

It's going to be tough watching a Russian Gal beat out a personal favourite in Beijing.


That said, I live by the mantra that Isi can't be on anything, nor would it help! :oops:
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Postby nevetsllim » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:28 am

Isinbayeva. Thankfully none of their jumpers have been caught up...yet so I retain some hope..for now :? :roll:
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Postby croflash » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:30 am

Odd timing to let the cat out of the bag. Like many of you, can't say I'm surprised, but this seems like a new dimension. Could there be several new tests to discover PEDs before the Olympics ?
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Postby peach » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:30 am

Jon wrote:No way, I never trusted Pishchalnikova!
Me neither - the deep grunt she let out when she threw, her facial acne, and rapid progression were all small hints :)[/quote]

I agree with you on the first two, but the latter isn't too much of an issue- rapid progression at a young age isn't really that much of a giveaway and she's still only 23...

And this absolutely does stink- do they have different coaches ? You'd have thought so...
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Postby SQUACKEE » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:31 am

im :shock: im :x im :roll: im :cry: and finally im :lol:
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