what will it take to break the women 4x400m word record


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what will it take to break the women 4x400m word record

Postby Selenaxxx » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:37 pm

can America firls a team capable off beating the 4x400 world record
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Re: what will it take to break the women 4x400m word record

Postby Mennisco » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:40 pm

Selenaxxx wrote:can America firls a team capable off beating the 4x400 world record
Felix
Ricgards
Trotter
Mary


That the new beer, Ricgard's Black? :P
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Re: what will it take to break the women 4x400m word record

Postby guru » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:52 pm

Selenaxxx wrote:can America firls a team capable off beating the 4x400 world record
Felix
Ricgards
Trotter
Mary


Trotter and Wineberg's spots are certainly no gimmes. Hastings being a pro now does not have the collegiate grind to fry her by the end of June, and the crowd of veterans and newbys in the 50-point, or better, range should make things very interesting.

As for the WR, I've said it before - that thing will never fall until there are TWO teams capable of running in that very rare air, and pushing each other. It will never happen solo.
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Postby Selenaxxx » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:27 pm

Trotter and Wineberg's spots are certainly no gimmes. Hastings being a pro now does not have the collegiate grind to fry her by the end of June, and the crowd of veterans and newbys in the 50-point, or better, range should make things very interesting.

As for the WR, I've said it before - that thing will never fall until there are TWO teams capable of running in that very rare air, and pushing each other. It will never happen solo



i forgot about hasting , she should be able to run 49:5 or faster , she has good 200m speed as well could very well be the 1 to stop Sanya Richard. As for a 2nd team to push the american maybe the jamaican Novleve, Sherika Williams , Melaine Walker, Sherone Simpson and a few other who can run 50-point should be able to run in the 3:17 range if at full strength
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Re: what will it take to break the women 4x400m word record

Postby Kurt Francis » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:58 pm

guru wrote:
Selenaxxx wrote:can America firls a team capable off beating the 4x400 world record
Felix
Ricgards
Trotter
Mary


Trotter and Wineberg's spots are certainly no gimmes. Hastings being a pro now does not have the collegiate grind to fry her by the end of June, and the crowd of veterans and newbys in the 50-point, or better, range should make things very interesting.

As for the WR, I've said it before - that thing will never fall until there are TWO teams capable of running in that very rare air, and pushing each other. It will never happen solo.


Well put, Guru. For those of us old enough to remember '88, just remember who was anchoring the USSR & USA teams...Bryzgina & Flo-Jo, with anchor legs of 47.9 & 48.1 ! And that was after solid legs of no worse than 50.

Gonna be awhile before that is touched, I believe. High 3:16's, yes, possible. But low 3:15? The spirit of Flo-Jo will have to descend on the stadium!
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Postby gh » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:00 pm

We discussed this a fair amount pre-Osaka last year

http://mb.trackandfieldnews.com/discuss ... 3ab739255d

Just remember that 3:15.0 is an average of 48.75! (with one of those coming out of the blocks)
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Postby cacique » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:19 pm

what bout the 4x1? what'll take to break that one (besides drugs)?
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Postby unclezadok » Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:36 pm

It's definitely doable with good weather (clean air??) As I recall in the USA record, which is not that far off the WR, Gwen Torrence started out of the blocks with a 49.0. Felix might have to start off with that or a little better. The key might be a third runner being able to put in a 49 split. Lashinda?
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Postby Kurt Francis » Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:41 pm

unclezadok wrote:It's definitely doable with good weather (clean air??) As I recall in the USA record, which is not that far off the WR, Gwen Torrence started out of the blocks with a 49.0. Felix might have to start off with that or a little better. The key might be a third runner being able to put in a 49 split. Lashinda?


Gwen Torrence wasn't in the race of the AR...the AR was set with FloJo anchoring a team of Denean Howard, Diane Dixon, Valerie Brisco as the first 3 legs, respectively. Time: 3:15.51
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Postby unclezadok » Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:03 pm

But Torrence did start off a WC 4 X 400 with a 49.0. Probably in Stuttgart in 1993. And that 's the kind of start that will be needed. It can't be a 51 even if that is good enough to start off a gold medal 4 X 400 with Richards and Felix on the team. .
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Postby TrackDaddy » Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:06 pm

Somewhat counterintuitively...I think frontloading the relay is the way to break the record.

And as guru stated having another high caliber team (Jamaica/Russia) on their game pushing the US is a must.

To break it with what we have I'd approach it this way (in order)...

Sanya (on 1st because she's run 48.70 out of the blocks and it will take a low 48 mid-high AT LEAST from the blocks to break it..no one else has done that from the blocks).

Felix (the phenominal 48.0 split on 2nd speaks for itself...IMO a standing/running start benefits an athlete like Felix moreso than others.)

DeeDee/Mo Henderson (tough call here but I have no idea why the US puts DeeDee on first leg. Yes she's run sub 50 but someone as long as her would definitely benefit from a rolling start. If Henderson returns to '04-06 form then watch out for her).

Hastings (a RESTED Hastings on anchor. Hastings doesn't have much international experience running rounds...so I'm speaking of a warmed up well rested Hastings. I think she could go low 49...easy).

Wineburg, Hennegan for alternates unless it's for Sanya or Felix; in that case...no record.
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Postby TrackDaddy » Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:10 pm

unclezadok wrote:But Torrence did start off a WC 4 X 400 with a 49.0. Probably in Stuttgart in 1993. And that 's the kind of start that will be needed. It can't be a 51 even if that is good enough to start off a gold medal 4 X 400 with Richards and Felix on the team. .


Yep.

Even faster I believe.
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Re: what will it take to break the women 4x400m word record

Postby Novitiate » Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:28 pm

guru wrote:
As for the WR, I've said it before - that thing will never fall until there are TWO teams capable of running in that very rare air, and pushing each other. It will never happen solo.


3:16.71 United States 1 Stuttgart 22.08.1993

Gwen Torrence 49.0
Maicel Malone 49.4
Natasha Kaiser-Brown 49.48
Jearl Miles-Clark 48.78

3:18.38 Russia 2 Stuttgart 22.08.1993

Yelena Ruzina 50.8 RUS
Tatyana Alekseyeva 49.3 RUS
Margarita Ponomaryova 49.78 RUS
Irina Privalova 48.47 RUS

Torrence gave the US a 1.8 second lead after the first leg, which shrunk like a grasshopper's pecker after sex, to 1.7 seconds after leg 2. After leg 3, we're up to a whopping 2 second lead, and Miles-Clark could only have seen Privalova on the anchor if she had a little makeup mirror on a popsicle stick attached to her sunglasses. If that isn't a solo race, please tell me what is. Or rather, don't waste your time. :P
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Postby guru » Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:31 pm

Perhaps, novi, if that American team had a team pushing it all the way they might have run 3;15, hmm?

Half full or half empty?
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Postby Mennisco » Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:35 pm

guru wrote:Perhaps, novi, if that American team had a team pushing it all the way they might have run 3;15, hmm?

Half full or half empty?


Reading between the lines, I'd say my point is that the Shtoot-garten Ladies cannot compare to what You Ass of Eh? can field this year.

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Postby guru » Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:52 pm

Mennisco wrote:Reading between the lines, I'd say my point is that the Shtoot-garten Ladies cannot compare to what You Ass of Eh? can field this year.


All depends on where #3 is this year. Everything else is a wash when you add them up, '08 probably a little ahead with Richards at the end.
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Postby EPelle » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:33 am

what will it take to break the women 4x400m word record

Perhaps something as simple as an "L". Which runner it will be who is chosen to bear that burden shall be determined at a later date.
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Postby Novitiate » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:17 am

guru wrote:
All depends on where #3 is this year. Everything else is a wash when you add them up, '08 probably a little ahead with Richards at the end.


Let's have some fun and suppose Felix starts. She's as good as Gwen Torrence, comparing 48.0r to 49.0rblocks. Deux et trois need to jointly produce a middle 800 at least a second faster than the Shtoot-gartengirlens. If Richards is in her best form ever, and ~ 10,000 fans positioned fortuitously around the end of the final bend all blow as hard as they can, and/or we get a Canberra-aira breeze, then it's a piece of cake.

Maybe you are right after all Guru. I fully expect the Chinese to unveil 4 eager Uyghurs previously unseen to produce the requisite challenge.

Hey if a hijab blows off someone's head and interferes with a result, would that constitute something unprecedented in the annals of track? :shock:

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Postby jeremyp » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:47 am

It would take a close race for a record, as in Seoul. So is there a team that can come close? Jamaica? Russia? I'd add in Torrey Edwards as a possible runner.
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Postby ChuiTai » Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:12 am

jeremyp wrote:It would take a close race for a record, as in Seoul. So is there a team that can come close? Jamaica? Russia? I'd add in Torrey Edwards as a possible runner.

I don't know about Edwards, but certainly Shareese Woods is showing to-date that she might be a possible for relay duty in Beijing. She held her on and then some against Hastings at Texas on Saturday.
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Postby Vault-emort » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:49 pm

Perhaps they just need the right incentive....say a swarm of bees chasing them....

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/bee ... 58936.html
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