Marion to plead guilty to doping!

[eldrick]

Take a look at Calvin's body...T.I.N.Y. Add his persona to the mix and the likelihood of him using anabolic steroids are slim next to nothing. It would be like accusing Carolina Kluft of roiding.

you know well enough that appearance is no basis of deciding drug-use : the ddr women sprinters weren't big - the philosophy behind their regime was to strengthen up with drugs, but not add bulk up

a "tiny" athlete coud be just applying same principles - get 10 - 20% stronger with drugs, but restrict protein intake to keep weight constant

[paddyb]

Take a look at Calvin's body...T.I.N.Y. Add his persona to the mix and the likelihood of him using anabolic steroids are slim next to nothing. It would be like accusing Carolina Kluft of roiding.

you know well enough that appearance is no basis of deciding drug-use : the ddr women sprinters weren't big - the philosophy behind their regime was to strengthen up with drugs, but not add bulk up

a "tiny" athlete coud be just applying same principles - get 10 - 20% stronger with drugs, but restrict protein intake to keep weight constant

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks eldrick.

[Mats Nilsson]

Take a look at Calvin's body...T.I.N.Y. Add his persona to the mix and the likelihood of him using anabolic steroids are slim next to nothing. It would be like accusing Carolina Kluft of roiding.

you know well enough that appearance is no basis of deciding drug-use : the ddr women sprinters weren't big - the philosophy behind their regime was to strengthen up with drugs, but not add bulk up

a "tiny" athlete coud be just applying same principles - get 10 - 20% stronger with drugs, but restrict protein intake to keep weight constant

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks eldrick.

Eldrick, you are playing devil's advocate. On one hand you are arguing that steroids don't "really work" [THG in other threads for example] on the other hand you say that you get 10-20% stronger. A strong lean sprinter will always be faster than his twin brother [who decided not to use roids] and is relatively weak but just as lean. Make up your mind will you.

Either way...in general people that use roids are bigger, stronger, and faster. Only vegetarians and people who want to reduce their acid/base ratio [renal stone prone people for example] cut protein intake. If you don't have the amino acids mate...you cannot build either strength or muscle [they are kind of dependent upon another for long-term adaptations wouldn't you think ).

[eldrick]

mats

i said nothing about steroids not working, but them having different efficacy :

a) stanzolol/turinabol/etc - dynamite anabolic effect ( i'm sure you'll get your 20% strength improvement there with no added bulk ) - full agonists

b) THG - moderate anabolic effect ( iirc, gestrinone is a partial agonist & hydrogenating it was to make it undetectable - it won't make it a full agonist ( the hydrogenation occurs at the other end of the molecule from the "anabolic receptor insertion" part ) ) - no matter what dose you take of a partial agonist, you won't get the anabolic effect of a decent dose of the above

c) growth hormone is not an anabolic steroid - it's not a steroid, but an anabolic polypeptide with no steroid structure - it has anabolic effects, but not anywhere as effective as a) ( imo )

anecdotally from reading on the web, i'd rate their anabolic effect of a) far greater than the other 2 ( which of the other 2 has better anabolic effects, i have no idea - little data to go on )

as for your protein-restriction, i assume you mean it has to be restricted in chronic renal failure in order to reduce urea production

[MattMarriott]

Since my thread with the end of the story was deleted from trackandfieldnews.com, here a link to other sites where you still can read it:
http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/show ... p?t=185209
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3449
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=72214
http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.ph ... did=204163

[tafnut]

here a link to other sites where you still can read it:

This is too good to pass up - from one of the links MattM provides:

IAAF to Consider Investigating Sprinter Jones (campaign to destroy natural sport continues) Washington Post, Page D10 ^ | December 4, 2004

[bolding and underlining provided by me to emphasize the terrible unfairness of the Illuminati hounding poor Marion. ]