MJ's 2000 Relay Teammates' Medals


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MJ's 2000 Relay Teammates' Medals

Postby bad hammy » Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:25 pm

Will the CAS ruling in the Jerome Young case that allowed Michael Johnson et al to keep their Sydney 4x4 Golds also allow Marion's Sydney teammates to keep their medals??

http://www.redorbit.com/news/sports/181 ... rt_ruling/

The court said IAAF rules in force at the time of the Sydney Games did not allow for a whole team to be disqualified because of the actions of one of its members.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:02 pm

Does anyone know if this quartet from 2001 was forced to forfeit their medals?
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Postby bad hammy » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:15 pm

According to USADA the forfeiture of MJ's 2001 WC medals is a done deal (at least legally, if not physically): http://www.usantidoping.org/files/activ ... 202007.pdf
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Postby guru » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:27 pm

Major difference between Young and Jones is Jones ran in the FINAL of each relay she was on.
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Postby bad hammy » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:32 pm

guru wrote:Major difference between Young and Jones is Jones ran in the FINAL of each relay she was on.

While that is true, I did not see where CAS addressed that.
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Postby guru » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:36 pm

bad hammy wrote:
guru wrote:Major difference between Young and Jones is Jones ran in the FINAL of each relay she was on.

While that is true, I did not see where CAS addressed that.



Probably because, at that point, they didn't have to. I suspect if Young had been on the final lineup it would have been a MUCH closer call. However, I don't discount the Michael Johnson factor playing a role in tipping the scales.
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Postby bad hammy » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:45 pm

The point being that the CAS ruling set a precedent, discussing the lack of enforceable IAAF rules for the very Oly Games at play in Jones' case.

The significant legal difference that I see is not that the athlete in question did or did not run in the finals. Rather it is that in Young’s case the issue was that he was not eligible to be on the team in the first place, whereas in Jones’ case her eligibility was not a question at the time of the meet.
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Postby cacique » Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:10 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:Does anyone know if this quartet from 2001 was forced to forfeit their medals?
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they were later DQ, i believe due to kelli white.

http://www2.iaaf.org/WCH01/Results/data/W/4X1/Rf.html

btw, why are you calling inger miller a cheat?
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Postby Andrea_T » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:14 am

cacique wrote:btw, why are you calling inger miller a cheat?


I will, yes. She failed a test in 1999. Nuff said.
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Postby Matt » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:55 am

Inger Miller was one of the alleged positives the US had just before Sydney - thus her 'will she won't she' cat and mouse game during those Olympics. Jacobs was definitely one of the positives (also withdrew).

Miller only managed 22.7 in Edmonton (returning as defending champ)....funny, that - a whole second slower than in Sevilla!
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Postby mump boy » Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:53 am

Andrea_T wrote:
cacique wrote:btw, why are you calling inger miller a cheat?


I will, yes. She failed a test in 1999. Nuff said.


it's not 'Nuff said' at all

inger failed for caffeine !!! whatever your suspicions about her it is hardly fair to lump her in with the PED addled likes of Ms Gaines, White and Jones
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Postby Jaack » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:22 am

mump boy wrote:
Andrea_T wrote:
cacique wrote:btw, why are you calling inger miller a cheat?


I will, yes. She failed a test in 1999. Nuff said.


it's not 'Nuff said' at all

inger failed for caffeine !!! whatever your suspicions about her it is hardly fair to lump her in with the PED addled likes of Ms Gaines, White and Jones
Come on mump, her 1999 season was hardly the result of improved training! She was 22'4, 22'5 then 21'7 and then back to 22'7.....?
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Postby peach » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:25 am

And supposedly injured the year after her WC win, hence her slower performances...

Personally, I know what I think about Inger Miller, but "lumping her in" with the other three really isn't on on what is, basically, speculation...

I mean, a caffeine positive ? It's not even modafinil levels of excitement...
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Postby Matt » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:41 am

Peach - but why was she caffeine positive?! Too much coffee or Cola? I doubt it.

She never looked anything like a 10.79/21.77 athlete - and never did since. See my post above re. pre-Sydney.
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Postby peach » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:50 am

Matt wrote:Peach - but why was she caffeine positive?! Too much coffee or Cola? I doubt it.

She never looked anything like a 10.79/21.77 athlete - and never did since. See my post above re. pre-Sydney.


If you read between the lines of what I've said, you'll see I probably agree with you

However, you can't just use your speculation to say what you like, and lumping a caffeine positive (which can be found in cold remedies, whole manner of things other than coffee or cola) with the systematic doping employed and proved by the likes of Gaines, Jones et al is unfair. There is no evidence to suggest Inger Miller was on harder drugs other than the fact she had one "amazing" season, a few good ones before and sod all since. I can name you a fair few athletes who fall into that category, some of whom have other circumstantial evidence surrounding them, yes, but a heck of a lot of others who don't...
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Postby cacique » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:30 am

incidentally, in the national news they had a brief 2-second snippet from miller saying 'i'm just glad all of this is coming out' (i guess referring to jones_).

miller could become a world champion if they take away jones' medal.
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Postby cacique » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:31 am

incidentally how much coffee do you drink to run afoul of these regulations.\?

or is it from other sources? and why would an athlete take this???
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Postby eldrick » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:35 am

i hope the moderator is monitoring this thread

it's in parts, severely defamatory of inger & probably offensive to many posters ( certainly is to me )
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Postby Mennisco » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:42 am

eldrick wrote:i hope the moderator is monitoring this thread

it's in parts, severely defamatory of inger & probably offensive to many posters ( certainly is to me )


Eldy, you're taking the HIGH road. :wink:
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Postby eldrick » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:49 am

Mennisco wrote:
eldrick wrote:i hope the moderator is monitoring this thread

it's in parts, severely defamatory of inger & probably offensive to many posters ( certainly is to me )


Eldy, you're taking the HIGH road. :wink:


forgive me for liking her ( but that's immaterial - same shoud apply to every athlete )

i luved her story of winning the global gold her magnificent father failed to do
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