A place for the discussion of all things not closely related to the sport and its competitive side. (Locked down several times a year during the major championships)
And if you believe the guy in the article above, we are actually increasing our tree coverage. By the way, don't for a minute think that I am "pro-pollution".
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China is going to have massive difficulties in not becoming a much more serious polluter as her economy continues to grow like a teenager hitting puberty.
Although this article focuses on eliminating the filling and development of the SF Bay, part of the efforts also help ensure that it is no longer a dump and a sewer. It does show that grassroots efforts can have very real and positive effects.
San Francisco Bay was growing steadily smaller. Its primary use, other than shipping, was for sewage and garbage disposal. On the afternoon breeze in Berkeley you could whiff the persistent "East Bay stink" -- the aroma from untreated sewage.
At night you could see the bay on fire where garbage was dumped in the shallows and set ablaze. The bay was being filled for airports, harbor facilities, freeways, factories, salt production, shopping malls and subdivisions.
The city of Berkeley had plans to double its size by filling 2,000 acres offshore. Other cities had similar intentions. If all the plans went forward, most of this superlative body of water would disappear.
Mennisco wrote:The Yangtze River may be close to dead, however
I'm a greenie all the way, but the above statement is just silly. Mother Nature, given half a chance, is miraculous at recreating life in the direst circumstances. If they came up with a plan to curb pollutants now, the Yangtze would be back to normal within 10 after the cessation of pollution. The trouble is that too many political/economic pressures exist to keep it polluted.
Mennisco wrote:The Yangtze River may be close to dead, however
I'm a greenie all the way, but the above statement is just silly.
"China's massive Yangtze river, a lifeline for tens of millions of people, is seriously polluted and the damage is almost irreversible, a state-run newspaper said Monday.
More than 370 miles of the river are in critical condition and almost 30 percent of its major tributaries are seriously polluted, the China Daily said, citing a report by the Nanjing Institute of Geography and Limnology, part of the Chinese Academy of Sciences."
"Calling him "a wonderful, visionary professor" who was "one of the first people in the academic community to sound the alarm on global warming," Gore thought of Dr. Revelle as his mentor and referred to him frequently, relaying his experiences as a student in his book Earth in the Lurch, published in 1992. Gore's warmth for Dr. Revelle cooled, however, when it became clear that he had misunderstood his former professor:"(slight edit)
MJD wrote:"Calling him "a wonderful, visionary professor" who was "one of the first people in the academic community to sound the alarm on global warming," Gore thought of Dr. Revelle as his mentor and referred to him frequently, relaying his experiences as a student in his book Earth in the Lurch, published in 1992. Gore's warmth for Dr. Revelle cooled, however, when it became clear that he had misunderstood his former professor:"(slight edit)
Wow this is interesting and as an important part of the "debate" on the cause of Global Warming i look forward to seeing this information in every media outlet in the world.
Mennisco wrote:Yet another political indiscretion.
Wow this is interesting and as an important part of the "debate" on the cause of Global Warming i look forward to seeing this information in every media outlet in the world.
Not at all! Lets brake it down-
Wow this is interesting- isnt?
Important- isnt?
It is newsworthy- isnt?
Therefore should be in the news- shouldnt it?
Mennisco wrote:Yet another political indiscretion.
Wow this is interesting and as an important part of the "debate" on the cause of Global Warming i look forward to seeing this information in every media outlet in the world.
Not at all! Lets brake it down-
Wow this is interesting- isnt? Important- isnt? It is newsworthy- isnt? Therefore should be in the news- shouldnt it?
Gore called his former idol "senile" and settled a defamation suit. I've lost respect for him over that. And yes I certainly consider this more than newsworthy. One of the cool things about my job - I teach in a small number of "alternative schools" where the kids are usually there because they're very bright and their parents want an enriched environment - is that I get to discuss a variety of topics with kids 13-14 and they're often surprisingly informed on several angles of currently hot topics. The more I hear and read about global warming, the more I want to know both sides of the debate. Joe Average would easily and understandably now be swayed by the "Top Scientists All Agree" mantra. I was too, but less so now.
This is what im saying and its not political, i swear. If someone on the right put out a documentary with "facts" and scientist who ONLY agreed Global Warming is not gonna cause the oceans to rise to deadly heights in 2 decades i would denounce it as one sided propaganda. The only thing i want is for both sides to have a voice. Isnt this what democracy is all about?
Im reminded of the documentary that showed how man never landed on the moon. Scary music and "Facts" persuaded many people that we faked it. An alternative documentary came out and "answered" every question. Anyone who wants to find the "thruth" for themselves MUST see both of these documentaries.
The June issue of Harper's Magazine cites someone at the National Snow and Ice Data Center (whatever that is) as the source of the information that a team of climate experts studied 15 computer models to assess Arctic warming. Seven of those models showed the North Pole having ice-free summers by the end of this century.
This morning's paper reported that southern summers will be 10 (TEN!) degrees warmer on average within a decade, due primarily to greenhouse gas pollution!! Obviously this (GW) is a done deal in the media now!!
tafnut wrote:This morning's paper reported that southern summers will be 10 (TEN!) degrees warmer on average within a decade, due primarily to greenhouse gas pollution!! Obviously this (GW) is a done deal in the media now!!
If this is true then its gonna be a total disaster and anyone who really believes this prediction should be at this moment completely commiting their life to stopping this hell on earth scenario. Or just start drinking heavily.
If this is true then its gonna be a total disaster and anyone who really believes this prediction should be at this moment completely commiting their life to stopping this hell on earth scenario. Or just start drinking heavily.
tafnut wrote:This morning's paper reported that southern summers will be 10 (TEN!) degrees warmer on average within a decade, due primarily to greenhouse gas pollution!! Obviously this (GW) is a done deal in the media now!!
OK Tafnut your going to have to point me to a link to that bit of reporting. Most alarmist thing I could find with a quick google search suggested that was possible around 2080.
If this is true then its gonna be a total disaster and anyone who really believes this prediction should be at this moment completely commiting their life to stopping this hell on earth scenario. Or just start drinking heavily.
Well we know which one you will be doing.
Yes of course, i bought a more efficent lite bulb and car that runs on lawn clippings and a 30 pack of a Bud.
donley2 wrote:OK Tafnut your going to have to point me to a link to that bit of reporting. Most alarmist thing I could find with a quick google search suggested that was possible around 2080.
I looked at the paper's web-site, jacksonville.com (catchy site-name, donchathink?) and saw nothing (what a shock!). I pointed the item out NOT because I believe it (which, of course, I don't), but as an example of how media report things out of context. We MAY be in for a hotter summer than usual (for a number of reasons), but in the 'climate' (pun!) of Global Warming hysteria (I believe it IS starting, but it IS reversible with prudent legislation and planning), it seemed a little over-the-top.
My paper, the Florida Thyme-Onion (OK, it's really the Times-Union), has not won any Pulitzers lately, if ya catch my drift.
tafnut wrote:I looked at the paper's web-site, jacksonville.com (catchy site-name, donchathink?)
It seems to be what newspapers are doing these days. I believe the major newspapers in Boston, Philadelphia, Cincinnati, and Miami have done the same thing. I'm sure there are others.
If this is true then its gonna be a total disaster and anyone who really believes this prediction should be at this moment completely commiting their life to stopping this hell on earth scenario. Or just start drinking heavily.
Well we know which one you will be doing.
Yes of course, i bought a more efficent lite bulb and car that runs on lawn clippings and a 30 pack of a Bud.
If this is true then its gonna be a total disaster and anyone who really believes this prediction should be at this moment completely commiting their life to stopping this hell on earth scenario. Or just start drinking heavily.
Well we know which one you will be doing.
Yes of course, i bought a more efficent lite bulb and car that runs on lawn clippings and a 30 pack of a Bud.
LOL.
And do you put a cloth bag over your head now?
Good lord Canukian vixen i have no idea what your talking about. To be fair though i should admit half of the 30 pack as been dranken, drinkin, drank?
